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    Default Re: L may fix KitKat SD Card Debacle

    Quote Originally Posted by CKR83 View Post
    How well does that work for you without net connectivity? How about if you want a movie or two on your device while you travel?

    The question isn't about you paying for a TB of cloud -- which only some of us find useful -- the question is if Android L fixes the cripplware that is Kitkat, and I STILL haven't seen that answered.

    Yesterday, AT&T screwed me by forcing KitKat onto a perfectly working Note 8. Now I have tons of Apps that don't work, hundreds of playlists that were wiped and a lot of encrypted data that I can't get to -- ALL because I DARED to use an SD card instead of the cloud.

    So the question remains: Did L correct the problem that google screwed us with or not?
    Yeah many people forget they need internet to access these clouds of info and they forget internet is not a given asset everywhere we go.
    people can have all info in the world on clouds... but its useless without net connection. its a major flaw!

    i want my asus transformer tablet to let legit apps to save stuff on my microSD card. its my stuff. my money!
    i have the right to chose! but... no.... google just went ape and blocked all apps from writing on sd cards!
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    Quote Originally Posted by colyn1353 View Post
    I don't understand why so many can't figure out how to install apps onto the SD card but then I have used Linux since the 90's..
    When my daughter got her S5 with KitKat I was able to install apps to the card. You just have to assign permission to folders. I was even able to easily create folders to save images in from various camera apps in order to keep them separate as well as a folder to store documents in.
    This change gave more security to your phone since it did not allow apps to write all over your card. An app will now only write to folders specifically assigned to it..
    I think too many are set in a Windows frame of mind which is far different than Linux..
    Yes. And most of us, regular users, don't have a clue how to do ANY of what you just described. It's very simple: things were working before. Google messed them up. Google has to solve the problem. Or, of course, be left with the stigma of effing up something that even Windows Phone can do properly. Out of those 80% of cellphone users on Android, if 5% knows how to do that, it will be a lot already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel Soares View Post
    Yeah many people forget they need internet to access these clouds of info and they forget internet is not a given asset everywhere we go.
    people can have all info in the world on clouds... but its useless without net connection. its a major flaw!

    i want my asus transformer tablet to let legit apps to save stuff on my microSD card. its my stuff. my money!
    i have the right to chose! but... no.... google just went ape and blocked all apps from writing on sd cards!
    Oh and to add to that, don't forget...what about apps? Yeah. Let me know when you can run apps from the Cloud, will you?
    The cloud excuse is the same lame excuse I've heard for NOT putting SD cards on phones. "Oh, you have X gb of cloud storage". Yeah. Great. Awesome. Can I install and run games on and from OneDrive/GoogleDrive/ DropBox etc? No, I can't. And since I can't, there goes the excuse.
  3. #28  

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJCBS View Post
    Yes. And most of us, regular users, don't have a clue how to do ANY of what you just described.
    Are you saying nobody except for me knows how to use settings? Many use iPhone because there are no settings to speak of in order to tweak their system..

    Quote Originally Posted by DJCBS View Post
    It's very simple: things were working before. Google messed them up. Google has to solve the problem.
    Actually Google did everybody a favor by closing up security holes. Before, apps could write all over your SD card and in the process install malware. I prefer to save apps to internal memory except for a couple of photo apps and save my images to the card. Google may or may not make changes with Android 5 in order to make it more user friendly to those who don't know how to setup their phone. As for myself I prefer security over iPhone like setup.

    One other thing you can do if you are using a Samsung is to install Kies. From there you can create custom folders and add music, images, ringtones, etc and access them from your phone so I am not restricted by what Google did with Kitkat.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJCBS View Post
    Oh and to add to that, don't forget...what about apps? Yeah. Let me know when you can run apps from the Cloud, will you?
    The cloud excuse is the same lame excuse I've heard for NOT putting SD cards on phones. "Oh, you have X gb of cloud storage". Yeah. Great. Awesome. Can I install and run games on and from OneDrive/GoogleDrive/ DropBox etc? No, I can't. And since I can't, there goes the excuse.
    I only use the cloud for backups and music. I don't care to run apps or play games etc from it..but I can and do stream music from the cloud..
  4. #29  

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    Any idea when we'll find out if Android L fixes this issue? Only just got my Xperia and the majority of the 16GB internal storage is pretty much used up
  5. #30  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmel14 View Post
    Any idea when we'll find out if Android L fixes this issue? Only just got my Xperia and the majority of the 16GB internal storage is pretty much used up
    That's not a bug it's a just the space the ROM takes up

    Posted via Nexus 7 2013 or verizon Galaxy S5 or maybe one day through my moto 360
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    I dont know why people keep saying "Apps can now write only to their specefic folders".
    It is true for SD cards. App data resides in Android/data
    But apps still write freely into the internal memory. A large amount of junk folders are left behind in the internal memory when an app is deleted.
    Malware doesnt need an SD to run, It can attain more than enough data from your internal memory. (Where ONLY the Android/data folder in internal memory is unavailable).
    So it was not a "security hole" fix for chirssake.!!

    I dont care now, I am fully rooted and run a custom rom. Supersu keeps everything in line. And whenever I want I can fully unroot.

    I seriously doubt android L will fix this.
    From googles perspective that would be moving backwards.. Which they would never do.
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  7. #32  

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    Quote Originally Posted by xperia2995 View Post
    I dont know why people keep saying "Apps can now write only to their specefic folders".
    It is true for SD cards. App data resides in Android/data
    But apps still write freely into the internal memory..
    Yes, no doubt I'm missing something that perhaps someone else can explain, but I've never understood how security is improved by not allowing the app to write to a card, but it can still go ahead and write to the internal memory. Isn't that the same security issue? Or, are there special restrictions on internal memory that we don't know about or understand?
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    I'm so annoyed hearing about that cloud stuff:
    1. privacy + cloud = no go I wouldn't trust companies (especially big ones), when it comes down to my stuff.
    2. 24/7 connection even if possible is not my thing, I'd like to keep things local and out of the www (especially private pictures, videos and sensible data such as calendars).
    3. I've needed an XDA fix in order to fix that damn KitKat mess on my Transformer tablet. Glad filemanagers like TC and Root Explorer also helped out

    Giving folders permissions is not that hard see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...on-of-a-folder but it should be something that's auto allowed for secure apps.

    So far I think Lollipop will bea nice improvement but the first thing I'm gong to do is change the colors to a more professional dark theme and of course getting rid of all the needless animations, they are nice at first but personally I want to get things done not watch beautiful animations all day, tablets, smartphones aren't toys at least the Blackberry and Android ones aren't
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    I am sorry if I am asking a question in the wrong place. I have KitKat 4.4.4which has disabled most of my ability to transfer to the SD card and keeps loading apps into my already clogged skimpy 9GB given me after the Samsung S5 apps that came with the phone.
    Is there any light regaring the ability to move apps to the sd card and free up space in internal storage either now or with Lollipop?
    If not I am off to see Cortana.
    Thank you
    Peter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Nowell View Post
    I am sorry if I am asking a question in the wrong place. I have KitKat 4.4.4which has disabled most of my ability to transfer to the SD card and keeps loading apps into my already clogged skimpy 9GB given me after the Samsung S5 apps that came with the phone.
    Is there any light regaring the ability to move apps to the sd card and free up space in internal storage either now or with Lollipop?
    If not I am off to see Cortana.
    Thank you
    Peter
    If you go to the Application Manager (in Settings) and click on the Applications you've downloaded that you want to move (sometimes sorting them out by size can help that decision!), it should tell you when tap on each app one at a time which can be moved and which can't. Many can of downloaded apps (i.e, not system apps.) For instance, Amazon Kindle if you have a lot of books can be a hog. It comes with an active (rather than grayed out) button "move to SD card." In my experience, btw, it still leaves a significant footprint in internal memory, but most of it gets moved and there is a significant benefit if space is a concern. It is not always Google's or Samsung's decision--sometimes it is the app manufacturer.

    I'm told that rooting and what not can fix this too--but I don't get into the unofficial solutions.

    You might also consider trading up to something like the Note 4, which comes with 32gb internal storage instead of 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsieurms View Post
    Yes, no doubt I'm missing something that perhaps someone else can explain, but I've never understood how security is improved by not allowing the app to write to a card, but it can still go ahead and write to the internal memory. Isn't that the same security issue? Or, are there special restrictions on internal memory that we don't know about or understand?
    Android went from Windows permissions to Linux permissions. With that change apps can now only write to the folders they own which helps to secure your phone. Before they could write all over your internal memory as well as SD card..

    However you can create folders on the SD card and move files to them. You can also move some apps to the SD card regardless what some claim..
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    Quote Originally Posted by colyn1353 View Post
    Android went from Windows permissions to Linux permissions. With that change apps can now only write to the folders they own which helps to secure your phone. Before they could write all over your internal memory as well as SD card..

    However you can create folders on the SD card and move files to them. You can also move some apps to the SD card regardless what some claim..
    The difference is that on Linux, users can edit permissions, whereas on Android users have to root their devices to do so, and that's not something that the average user will do.

    From my perspective, worst part of this is that the files that kit kat allows an app to create no the SD card are only accessible by that specific app. For instance, if I use MediaMonkey to sync 30GB of music to my phone's SD card, then that content is available for playback/editing only by MediaMonkey, when most users actually want it to be accessible/editable by Winamp, Power Amp, etc. Similarly, users want photos and movies that are copied to the external SD card to be accessible/editable by a variety of apps. Even worse, the content is all uninstalled when MediaMonkey is uninstalled.

    What would go a long way towards solving this is to have a few directories (e.g. Music, Photos, Movies, etc.) that can give applications permission to read/write/edit them so that all music apps can share content that's on the SD card (in the same way that multiple apps can read/write/edit such directories on internal memory).

    afaik, Android L partially solves some of these issues (see android dev docs re getExternalMediaDirs() -- the forum doesn't let me post the link ) by allowing the content in an app's SD card directory to be shared, but unfortunately, afaik deleting the app will also result in the deletion of all of the content it created :-(

    -Rusty

    note: I work on MediaMonkey (not a dev).
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    Quote Originally Posted by colyn1353 View Post
    Android went from Windows permissions to Linux permissions. With that change apps can now only write to the folders they own which helps to secure your phone. Before they could write all over your internal memory as well as SD card..

    However you can create folders on the SD card and move files to them. You can also move some apps to the SD card regardless what some claim..
    Linux style makes no difference.
    In both cases an app can do what it wishes if a user gives it a permission.

    I suspect this was a patch up scheme after thousands of Ukrainians downloaded a shadowy app (Outside of play store). The app encrypted their data and asked for ransom. "Hah doesn't happen in apple," some said.

    If Lollipop offers no fix, root ur phone.
    All those who rooted. You can download 'Xposed' module. It gives all apps full SD access like before.
    I don't know why people fear rooting. Its completely reversible. A superuser (SuperSU) app completely safeguards the root users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xperia2995 View Post
    L
    I don't know why people fear rooting. Its completely reversible.
    It's effort. It is a process that can brick your phone if you err.

    Here's a recent tale:

    Rooted the Note 4 and now I have a Brick

    And it voids the warranty.

    In return for the effort and risk, the benefits from it are considered very minor to some, like me.
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    if this happens then no need to root our android device to fix the sd card.
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    Appologies.
    Forgot about knox. But then again there are methods other than Odin. I have successfuly rooted Grand2, and fully restored due to company policy. Wiping and flashing stock is enough to fool corporate apps. But knox is different
    "Following instructions to the letter" is self explainatory during root.

    About warranty, not more than a year right? Somehow bear SD card issues till warranty is over. Then you can proceed.

    Well, Its personal opinion. For me not able to save files via browsers and torrent clients to SD card was too much. Maybe its "meh" for others.

    If Lollipop fixes access to atleast some standard folders in SD card, its perfect.
    But again, the issue of persistance. What if you downloaded a movie with firefox, many days later decide to switch to Opera. Your movie file is lost!
    What to do if your carrier or OEM does not have a permission moded file manager.!
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    The KitKat initiative is incredibly annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xperia2995 View Post
    All those who rooted. You can download 'Xposed' module. It gives all apps full SD access like before.
    I don't know why people fear rooting. Its completely reversible. A superuser (SuperSU) app completely safeguards the root users.
    Because most people don't know how to properly root and many have done it wrong and now have a useless phone...

    Rooted phones are easier to hack in many cases..

    I really don't care to move all of my apps to the SD card but the ones I can work fine for me..
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    Apparently I spoke to soon--Android L has introduced a permission that would allow for shared SD content. See the link at:
    www dot androidauthority.com/lollipop-microsd-card-app-access-564168

    We plan on adding this to the next version of MediaMonkey for Android.

    -Rusty
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    Guess what I used Kies, Itunes, WMP, and Windows Explorer to move 30GB of MP3's to my SD card. Not just one card but 11 different ones from multiple manufacturers. After about 2 days my music directory dropped from 30GB to 1.6GB. Where did those files go? The only thing I can figure out is that KitKat blocked access to them and auto-deleted them. I have tried on an HTC One Max, 7 Note 3's, and 2 S5's with the exact same result. Tell me that Kies allows me to write to SD after that experience.
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    You know this is all really Fine for you wizards who know all the ins & outs. I went from a perfectly good HTC EVO with JB to a newer LG Tribute because the price was great and it had the newest OS. Thought I did my homework looking at umpteen reviews of the new phone which all gave it good marks. How was I to know the OS was Crap? With all the Bloatware locked on the unit I could only install a few Apps and the storage is now Full! I've scoured these forums all over and found it's basically Tough Cookies. At this point I'm about ready to just say Screw it and just use the Phone as a Phone and do everything I want to do on my Windows 7 Laptop. Maybe I'll go back to a cheap Flip Phone.
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