After Lollipop & Marshmallow being snubbed by the majority, how is Nougat going to fare?

What's your feelings on Nougat?


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J Dubbs

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Google has developed a habit of creating more bloated, buggier, heavier, and more hardware and battery intensive OS' as time goes on. Lollipop, and especially Marshmallow, are considered by most to be the worst android systems ever, and Marshmallow has the distinction of being the least used system ever, closely followed by Lollipop. They're on a miniscule portion of android devices.

Since Nougat is based on Marshmallow, with even more features most will never use, can we really expect it to be any less buggy, lighter on resources, or more stabile than 6? And how's it going to work with a play store full of apps not designed for it yet?

How many of you guys are willing to upgrade your current phone without a second thought to Nougat? And how many are going to sit back like we did with Marshmallow and wait to see how it goes over, then pass on it because we decide its not worth the hassle?

I've put a lot of time and effort into setting my phone up and getting it to work decent for me on Marshmallow (my phone came with it). The ONLY thing that interests me in Nougat is the enhanced doze feature that's supposed to help save battery when you're on the go, not just when the phone is sitting still. But I only use an average of 15% of my battery a day (I LOVE doze on Marshmallow :) ), so battery life is not an issue for me. And I see that Nougat doze on the go feature creating problems with phone and app functions when you're moving.

So personally I think I'm going to sit this one out, I have no interest in a factory reset to try out something that is basically what I already have, except greener and most likely more problematic at first (or the whole time lol). I don't like problematic.
I hope Nougats a step in a different, better direction for android, but with what its built on and Google's treatment of it so far, it sure looks like another heavy step in the wrong direction :(

We have to take a lot of the blame here tho, because we can't complain about heavy, buggy, battery and processor draining OS' when we're constantly demanding more, more, more features we'll never use. You can't build a solid, stable, polished, economical, sweet running OS when the public wants you to change it big every year :confused:

I want something that works great and then leave it the hell alone. Change is good when it's fine tuning an already good thing. Change isn't good when it's done just for the sake of it, and rushed out to keep the customers happy and the market share up :mad:

I see why so many people I know use iphones, I thought it was a status thing, but after playing with some, I realized it's because they just plain WORK.

Please Google start giving us operating systems that just plain work.
 

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Not sure if this is serious or not, but ok. Most of the improvements in LP, MM and N have been on battery life, fixing the runtime and security. Not sure why anyone wouldn't want those. As for being snubbed, MM is already on over 15% and MM & LP combined are over 50% of users. I do recall 5.0 was buggy for a month or so when it first released but 5.1 fixed that and 6.0 released stable. I've been running the N preview on all of my devices since it came out this year and there is nothing to worry about from a stability front. I'm not sure that anyone is seriously making the claim that either L or M was the worst operating system ever. Just out of curiosity, what device(s) are you using them on to walk away with that impression?
 

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Um, Marshmallow has been pretty good to me in my experience.

Lollipop 5.0 is pretty bad, but 5.1 fixed a lot of its issues and 6.0 really cleaned it up.

What device are you using, if I may ask?
 

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How many of you guys are willing to upgrade your current phone without a second thought to Nougat? And how many are going to sit back like we did with Marshmallow and wait to see how it goes over, then pass on it because we decide its not worth the hassle?

I already did... I've been running the N Previews on my 6P since they dropped, and the last final preview build has been nothing less than stellar... stable, reliable, good on battery life, etc... I have zero complaints about it so I assume the full release will be pretty good.

I am guessing here, but I suspect your issues are with what OEM builds your phone (and its version of Android) and not with Google. Face is that M was an excellent revision over LP, and N continues that and refines it even further.. anyone who wants to skip them are doing themselves a great disservice.... or need to find a new phone manufacturer.
 

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After the MM debacle I have NO DESIRE to upgrade. If I could figure out a way to block it I would. If anybody has a way to stop the N update I'd appreciate it if you shared. I used some of the suggestions offered by members here to block MM but none of them worked.
 

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I'm not sure where you are getting this idea that Android users as a whole hate Lollipop and Marshmallow...? Or that manufacturers do?
 

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I'm not sure where you are getting this idea that Android users as a whole hate Lollipop and Marshmallow...? Or that manufacturers do?

That's basically my question. Other than L 5.0, 5.1 and 6.0 and 6.01 have been extremely well received by both the public and media. They're the best mobile platforms available until N drops, at which time, with Google Assistant, many phones will become more intelligent than those holding them :) Or maybe that gets a :( not sure. I like it, but I'm weird.
 

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I know a lot of people running Android 4.4 because they have no choice. The assertion that the majority don't want to upgrade is unfounded. I was happy with Android 5.01. I was happy with Android 6. And, I'm very happy with the Android 7 beta so why wouldn't I get Android 7 when it's released.

You probably shouldn't though. I'd keep watching and waiting to see whatever.
 

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Every one of your statements is completely unfounded. L, an M were both significant improvements over their predecessors and N is solid as rock, I've been running it since Preview 2 and it's great. There as never and "debacle", it simply didn't happen.
 

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I have not experienced any issues with Lollipop (other than on some very early 5.0 builds). 5.1 was fine and didn't have problematic bugs or stability issues.

I have not experienced any issues at all with Marshmallow, and I did not do any FDR after upgrading to it.
 

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The stats I found on the net broke down the percentage of each android os being used, and L and M were the the least. The info was from some android news site ( I should have saved the link) and has been backed up by others on here. I know its the internet so we can all probably find differing facts :( But I've also read on MANY sites including this one that Lollipop and especially Marshmallow weren't well received by the critics or users..... that again probably differs by what you're reading, although even on here if you do a search on dislikes of MM you'll find as many or more than likes.

I know its an android forum, and I'm not planning on leaving or just bashing for fun here, I'm talking about real world problems that are well acknowledged in MM, like the terrible bluetooth connectivity issues, the adoptable storage issues, the terrible battery drain that many have, the multiple fdr's and cache wipes to get a new install working semi-decent, the out of nowhere glitches and bugs etc. All these and more are listed on this site a click away. Those are all problems that have increased with each newer version of android.......it's just not as stable and easy to set-up/use as it use to be. I've had hands on use with now with all the current builds of ios, android, and windows, and android MM is the buggiest of the 3.

I'm sticking with android because you get the best phone bang for your buck by far, and it has an app for everything to make your life easier. But it also seems to be getting bigger and buggier with tons of features complicating things that most folks will never use.

I hope the folks who have used Nougat and say its the best yet are right......if that's the case down the road I'll probably use it. But it's no secret that everyone here, including most all the moderators, recommend an fdr after a major upgrade. I personally found that out when my MXPE (which is about as pure android as you can get) auto-updated to MM out of the box, and it was unusable until I did an fdr (which is also what motorola recommended).

I have lots of contacts, data, photo's, some docs, all my moto voice locations saved (which you have to do individually AT each location), linked hotmail accounts (what a pain that was), plus the phone itself customized to my liking. It's really not acceptable in my book to have to erase all that and start over each time you upgrade, and sometimes even for a security patch or funky app from the app store. You shouldn't have to fdr for everything.
That's not what I consider user-friendly at all....and there's tons of folks here who agree.

I'll keep using android because overall it fits my needs best, but I'm not going to sugarcoat it's problems. I post this stuff up hoping it'll work it's way to google along with others feedback, and help them make better operating systems.

You don't get anywhere by just sucking up the problems and not saying anything, or downplaying them.
 

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You don't get anywhere by just sucking up the problems and not saying anything, or downplaying them.

This is true, but I think many of us are saying that we're simply not having the problems. That's why we were asking which device(s), because that can make a difference if it's OEM or Android issues or something else.
 

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After the MM debacle I have NO DESIRE to upgrade. If I could figure out a way to block it I would. If anybody has a way to stop the N update I'd appreciate it if you shared. I used some of the suggestions offered by members here to block MM but none of them worked.
Inders if you want to avoid the auto-update to Nougat when it comes out don't plug your phone in to charge when its on and connected to wifi.....that's how it's set-up to update by default. Always charge it off, or be sure you aren't connected to wifi when it's on and charging.
As far as the constant reminders, there's ways around that but I believe it involves rooting, and isn't worth it in my opinion.
 

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Inders if you want to avoid the auto-update to Nougat when it comes out don't plug your phone in to charge when its on and connected to wifi.....that's how it's set-up to update by default. Always charge it off, or be sure you aren't connected to wifi when it's on and charging.
As far as the constant reminders, there's ways around that but I believe it involves rooting, and isn't worth it in my opinion.

Once on N, updates happen in the background and you can opt out of that functionality.
 

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FYI : over half of all phones in active use are on 5.0 or higher.

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50.7% to be exact. From Google's dashboard: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html


This number is kind of skewed. Let's say someone buys a brand new Android that is NOT a flagship device...say this one, for example, that is still for sale on AT&T's website.

This phone comes with KK out of the box, with no path of OS updates. This phone is stuck on KitKat. It won't be until they purchase a new phone that they will be counted among those that are on 5.0 or higher. In other parts of the world this is almost normal, with buying devices outright is common.
 

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50.7% to be exact. From Google's dashboard: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html


This number is kind of skewed. Let's say someone buys a brand new Android that is NOT a flagship device...say this one, for example, that is still for sale on AT&T's website.

This phone comes with KK out of the box, with no path of OS updates. This phone is stuck on KitKat. It won't be until they purchase a new phone that they will be counted among those that are on 5.0 or higher. In other parts of the world this is almost normal, with buying devices outright is common.

That's what I was talking about. I live in Oaxaca, Mexico, and most of the people I know are using Android 4.4 because that's what came on their phone and there is no upgrade. I think it's a big, and illogical, jump to assume everyone is using the OS of their choice. A friend who works in a cell phone store wanted to play with my Android 7 beta a bit since it will be a year before he sees it in the store.
 

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