- 06-09-2010, 12:37 PM #2
More on the Missing Sync for Android
Thank you for taking the time to put together your thoughts on The Missing Sync for Android (Evo). I'd like to share a few things that might assist others, as well:
Users should remember that the documentation and setup assistance is available from within the application, itself. Simply pull down the HELP menu to locate the material. There is a detailed user guide (online), as well as a step-by-step setup assistant function, allowing users to get configured quickly and easily.
With regard to the Calendar issues that you've described:
We'd like to learn more about the specifics of this case (where calendar events are simply not syncing). For that, we'd encourage you to create a "ticket" with the Mark/Space support team.
There _are_ some known limitations, in the context of calendar syncing functions related to the Android OS, and Mark/Space is working to provide solutions that are practical and easy to use. We recently released version 1.4 of The Missing Sync for Android, which obviously contains the Calendar syncing component: A dedicated Android Calendar app.
Again, our hope is that you are able to resolve the calendar issues that you've described (by ).
Again, thanks for the thoughtful review and insight.
Thanks for your quick response to my review, I'm sure many users (including me) appreciate a developer who pays attention to its users.
Regarding your points:
- Thanks for pointing out the means for accessing the manual, that was my oversight. While it's not my place to tell a developer how to run his/her business, I would suggest making that link public, or create a pdf version of the manual. (I checked, there are no pages that link to the guide, so I won't post the URL here.) Before I buy almost anything significant, I skim through the user guide to see if (1) the documentation is adequate and (2) if the product has the features I desire.
- I did send in a support ticket on June 8 at about 10 am regarding the calendar sync issue, I haven't gotten a response yet (understandably, it's only been a day).
- The use of a separate calendar program has its pros and cons, as far as a stand-alone app I like Fliq better than the built-in calendar (but please add the year to the month calendar view!) My only concern is whether apps that access Android calendar events will be able to access Fliq events. I suspect not, but as I said in the review that's not MarkSpace's fault. It might not be much of a problem, so far no app that I've used accesses calendar events. And as I said, trying to sync iCal with Google Calendar has been a nightmare.
Thanks again for your input.
Hah! I decided to give iCal some "tough love."
I knew from past experience with Missing Sync for Palm that sometimes you need to do a "Reset Sync History" to get things to sync... there are several ways to do this, see for example That helped the problem with missing iCal items somewhat, but not completely. And when I reset sync history, I'd get old deleted calendars re-appearing!
So I suspected that these "ghost calendars" might be a problem, I did a little searching and found about how to remove "ghost calendars" permanently. So I followed the instructions in the last post in that archived thread and voila, Sync looks good now! Even repeating events are working!
So that doesn't explain why some innocent-looking events refused to sync between iCal <-> Missing Sync <-> Fliq, but for the moment my Sync issues are resolved and I can now recommend Missing Sync with the caveat that you might need to do some cleanup of your iCal files first. Perhaps the Missing Sync documentation for Android should mention at least the part about the Reset Sync History, the only reason I knew about it was because of my experiences syncing with Palm.
EDIT: well repeated events work BETTER now but still not perfectly... if you do a "Desktop overwrites Device" sync you get all the repeating events, but if you do a two-way sync after that you lose some events. I'll refrain from additional reports about this until I've had a chance to try more conditions.
Last edited by bobodobo; 06-09-2010 at 04:54 PM. Reason: Additional information
Ok I've had some time to try a few more things... it seems like syncing repeated events fails after 6 or 7 events when the events span more than 1 month. If all events occur within a month, there doesn't seem to be any problem. (By the way there is a known issue mentioned on the Mark/Space website with repeating events having exceptions, but this issue occurs even when there are no exceptions.)
Also I did check fine iTunes, iPhoto and videos sync and they work well. It's nice to be able to put all of the music and/or photos on your desktop computer that you want to transfer to the EVO into one iTunes playlist or iPhoto album and have them appear on the EVO where you expect them to be. Sure you can do a copy/paste or drag operation, but this is more convenient, you can add/change the lists any time and do one transfer when you're done. There are other programs that do this also (and some are free) so one probably wouldn't buy Missing Sync just for these features, but it's convenient to have one sync program for everything.
So if Mark/Space can solve the issues with syncing of repeating events (e.g. a meeting that occurs every week for 3 months) I would recommend without hesitation Missing Sync to Mac users wishing to sync to an EVO.
- 07-05-2010, 01:04 PM #6
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- 07-05-2010, 01:20 PM #7
- 07-08-2010, 02:09 PM #8
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[QUOTE=bobodobo;155985]Thanks for your quick response to my review, I'm sure many users (including me) appreciate a developer who pays attention to its users.]
I bought a EVO 4G to replace my iphone, I use a Mac so transferring data is a big problem as you describe.
I read with much interest your review. and thank you bobodobo, for taking the time to do so.
There is now a free trial version of Mark/Space for Android.
which I downloaded the mac version, to the Mac.
1. the downloads are in apk format, which my Mac fails to recognize, so I can't open them to try them out.
2. I sent in a ticket to Mark/Space 2 days ago, but have not yet received a response.
3. My past experience with Mark/Space led me to the conclusion that M/S produces mediocre products, at $30 to $40 each, which is a bit high priced.
4. and that they provide little directions on how to install them.
5. and that they must get most of their money from tech support, which they shift you into by providing such terrible response to any questions or problems you almost always have. Email tech support is what you get for free. meaning you might get a response within 3 days, asking a question, offering no solution, taking another 3 days to respond with another question, and so on.
6. then they offer, for $69.95, an advanced tech support service that might include chat based tech support, or phone support, or not.
7. I've had such terrible experience with the problems with their products and incompetence of their tech support in the past that I'm reluctant to pay the $30 for the software in the hope that the paid version will open on my Mac, and will also, as they profess: provide the ability to sync ical to the EVO 4G. (without needing to pay for tech support.)
8. I have found no way, so far to open the ms.apk, fc.apk files.
any idea how? They are supposed to open and install the programs, aren't they?
- 07-08-2010, 07:59 PM #9
- 07-10-2010, 11:13 AM #10
btw, it seems markspace puts a no robot notice (ie no search engine) on her support forums, so if you google for missing sync android, you wont see the numerous problems reported there.
also, see my post above, their apps get a pretty low rating on the market, which doesnt boast confidence at all.
There is an update for the Fliq calendar which adds the year (e.g., July 2010) to the month view (which used to show only the month without the year, e.g July.) Unfortunately, the problems with syncing repeating events created on the Mac with iCal remain. Well to be specific, what I find is that a once a week event syncs properly, but a Tuesday and Thursday event only syncs for the first 2 weeks. And even a "Desktop overwrites device" sync doesn't make it sync properly. I would think with a little detective work one could figure out exactly what can/can't sync, but that's something the developer should do since it doesn't help the user much to know that - the user just wants everything to sync.
Also I realized that for repeating events created on the Android with Fliq - there is no way to add an end date. In other words, a once a week repeating event will show from now until Kingdom Come and you can't change that. This is the same as the stock Android calendar but still WOW. Why can't we have the same functionality as Palm Pilot calendars did 10 years ago?
And yes billtech, the .apk files need to be installed on the Android, not the Mac. I presume you're referring to the free Fliq applications (Calendar and Notes). Both are decent Android apps, but the main reason for having them is to sync with your Mac using the paid Missing Sync app.
Last edited by bobodobo; 07-14-2010 at 08:22 PM.
Just today, there's a new version of the Fliq apps and Missing Sync (which you install on your Android) and the Mac desktop Missing Sync for Android app. Be sure to update everything.
SUCCESS!!! FINALLY repeating events sync properly.... almost. What I found is that to get the last event to sync, I had to choose (on iCal, on the Mac) an end date shortly AFTER the last event. For example, for a repeating Tuesday and Thursday event, I had to choose the Friday after the last event in order to get the last Thursday events to sync.
HOWEVER... existing or past events still do not sync properly; I had to delete and recreate them to get them to sync properly. But, at least from now on things SHOULD work properly.
There is still no way with the Fliq Calendar app on the Android side to create a repeating event with an end date. But at least now you can create the event in iCal and it will sync properly to the Android.
Other than that, I think all of the original issues I had with Missing Sync for Android are now resolved.
- 07-24-2010, 01:33 PM #13
- 07-26-2010, 08:10 AM #15
I am confused - why aren't you syncing iCal and Address Book via your google account? They will then be in sync with your Evo. Is it because your Mac is on an Exchange server?
FWIW, I use Missing Sync for Android also, but only to sync music. Contacts and calendars are synced via Google. I started using it with my Blackberry and found it very useful, but with my Droid it has been of limited utility due to Google sync.
- 08-20-2010, 07:28 AM #17
- 08-26-2010, 05:42 AM #19
coming from treo/palm os, android's pim apps (calendar, contacts, tasks...) are overwhelmingly disappointing.
it's like operating a navy with battleships when the others have gone supercarriers.
my main grips of m/s for android is the inconsistent interface design for the windows version, the unreliability (again, maybe windows only).
mark/space is known for developing for mac and it shows in its products that its windows development team is rather lacking. cant tell why you need uac elevation prompt when the sync manager starts.
and it doesnt seem to configure the built-in firewall properly.
sometimes when a sync failed, the program will lock the outlook database as well.
and sync fails all too often. not to mention that it's slow. (i use wifi sync mainly and is only an 11g network)
repeating events sync have become more reliable with the latest version but still not as good as my good old palm.
on the pim apps, fliq notes is okay but fliq calendar, since it's based on google's aosp version, is utterly unusable for serious users. i don't understand why you need so many clicks to create a new event. not to mention that the default date/time picker is just... horrendous...
i miss datebk soooooooooooo much...
hopefully gingerbird will bring a scene change.
p.s. remember to check for an idea before opening your wallet...
Last edited by yessir; 03-22-2011 at 09:40 AM.
- 08-27-2010, 09:31 AM #20
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i am coming from markspace missing sync for palm for mac.
now since two days a samsung galaxy with missing sync for android.
same problem with the repeat - events.
yearly repeats (birthdays and other important shtuff) does not sync. period.
weekly repeats do, but stop before the end date set in palm / ical.
if last shown week-repeat is clicked on phone, then set from "custom repeat" to "weekly", then back again to custom, then "save", the event miraculously shows on the phone all the way to the end date after a few seconds.
weird, yes. not a workaround, yes.
but hopefully mark/space read with us...
oh, and we NEED tasks within the fliq cal, yes!
and we need a search function for contacts for ALL FIELDS, like phone numbers, too....
and why are the new systems all fast and appealing to the eye, but can hardly touch a five year old palm os? anyone?
or am i just so used to it?
- 08-27-2010, 12:01 PM #21
Android's Calendar app is tragically inferior when compared to Datebk6, period.
The lack of local sync with Outlook is another issue. Well everybody is moving to the cloud now.
Compounded by the problems with Missing Sync, it makes scheduling on Android a catastrophically horrible experience.
- 09-02-2010, 10:43 AM #22
- 09-06-2010, 10:01 AM #23
New update just out.... Missing Sync STILL does not sync repeating events properly; they sync out a for few weeks, then nothing beyond that. Well, if you delete the repeating event, add it again as a new set of events and re-sync it works properly, but geeeez.....
- 09-13-2010, 03:12 PM #25
With regard to repeating events: you might try doing an overwrite, where you set the desktop to overwrite the data on the device. Doing this will update your repeating events, simply by getting them back on the device (again), which should resolve the issue you've mentioned.