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  1. brasio's Avatar
    I think it's working.

    Just not sure yet if it's correctly syncing when the screen is off...
    03-21-2013 08:27 AM
  2. kurokirasama's Avatar
    Hi

    The general idea I have, as I said before, is to have an account sync performed every 30 min, either on wifi (when I'm connected to a wifi network) or mobile data (if not connected to any wifi network) and to turn off mobile data when I'm not using my phone (as I don't have a very big data plan).

    So, do you think I can have these 3 events at the same time:

    - SYNC: (to run the sync every 30 mins)
    -> repeating event (every 30 min)
    Conditions
    -> between 6 am and 1 am
    Actions
    -> enable account sync, request update
    -> queue event after 5 min, disable account sync

    SCREEN OFF (to disable wifi + mobile data when screen turns off... will the sync still occur?)
    Conditions
    -> when screen turns off
    Actions
    -> disable wifi (if not connected)
    -> disable mobile data

    SCREEN ON (to enable mobile data when user is present, wifi should turn on if I am in my wifi areas I guess)
    Conditions
    -> when user is present
    Actions
    -> enable mobile data

    What do you guys think?
    Hi,

    as i pointed out in previous post, if you will turn your data/wifi of withvthe screen, then you have be careful about how you define your events.

    In your case, you have several mistakes.

    1. In your sync event you don't turn data/wifi on, so when your screen turns off, your other event will turn them off, therefore sync won't work.

    2. In your screen off event, if you put wifi of if not connected, as long as you are connected to a wifi network (like in your home) wifi won't turn off. Now if you wanted that way, that will fix the above issue for Wifi, but then this event is pointless since the idea is turn wifi off when is not in use.

    3. In your third event, the user is present doesn't work, at least for me the event are executed even when the screen is off, if you have the same issue I recommend tonus er screen is on condition instead.

    4. Finally, you need different event to turn the screen on for Data and wifi. Turn data on won't turn wifi on and backwards. I recommend to use location conditions so when you are outside wifi areas you use data instead.

    Best regards,

    PD: a few post above I give my events for this, they fix this issues as well as others.

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    03-21-2013 09:19 AM
  3. kurokirasama's Avatar
    Hi,

    as i pointed out in previous post, if you will turn your data/wifi of withvthe screen, then you have be careful about how you define your events.

    In your case, you have several mistakes.

    1. In your sync event you don't turn data/wifi on, so when your screen turns off, your other event will turn them off, therefore sync won't work.

    2. In your screen off event, if you put wifi of if not connected, as long as you are connected to a wifi network (like in your home) wifi won't turn off. Now if you wanted that way, that will fix the above issue for Wifi, but then this event is pointless since the idea is turn wifi off when is not in use.

    3. In your third event, the user is present doesn't work, at least for me the event are executed even when the screen is off, if you have the same issue I recommend tonus er screen is on condition instead.

    4. Finally, you need different event to turn the screen on for Data and wifi. Turn data on won't turn wifi on and backwards. I recommend to use location conditions so when you are outside wifi areas you use data instead.

    Best regards,

    PD: a few post above I give my events for this, they fix this issues as well as others.

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    03-21-2013 09:21 AM
  4. Jellyscorpio's Avatar
    I don't have a data plan for my phone, but live in an area that's densely filled with both cell towers and Wi-Fi. I set up Llama to turn on the Wi-Fi for a minute at 15 minute intervals, so basically my phone can sync to the internet every 15 minutes instead of me having to manually turn Wi-Fi on and off each time. This event only fires when the screen is turned off, and only when I'm in places that have Wi-Fi such as at home or in school.

    This is how I set up my Llama event.

    --

    Create a new event and name it accordingly, make sure it's enabled.

    CONDITIONS:
    Enter area - if you want the Wi-Fi to fire only in certain areas
    Screen on/off - off
    I also put Battery level above 10 so that the phone will save on battery by not running the event when my battery level's low.

    You can add other conditions.

    UNDER THE ADVANCED options:
    - Tick "Delay event"
    - Delay minutes - 1 minute (The time between your screen turning off/entering an area and the repeating Wi-Fi firing)
    - Delay seconds - 0 seconds
    Cancel delay if false - I ticked this so the rotating Wi-Fi will not run when my screen turns on again.

    Require confirmation - No

    Repeat event - yes
    Repeat interval - 15 minutes (change this to how often you want the Wi-Fi to turn on and off)

    Under ACTIONS,
    Toggle Wi-Fi - On
    Queue another event --> this will take you to a new screen.

    QUEUED EVENT
    The queued event is to turn the Wi-Fi off after 1 minute (or any duration you like), so I named it "Wi-Fi off"
    Queue delay - 1 minute 0 seconds (change this depending on how long you want the Wi-Fi to be turned on each time it repeats)

    CONDITIONS - none

    ACTIONS:
    Toggle Wi-Fi - Wi-Fi off
    --

    This should give you an event summary of:
    When [List of conditions, when screen turns off etc] - delay for 1 minute and then enable WiFi and queue an event named [Wi-Fi off or whatever you named your queued event] after 1 minutes and 0 seconds every 15 minutes.

    It's been really useful and is just like having a data connection when I'm in places with continuous Wi-Fi. My email and Whatsapp messages get pushed without problems every 15 minutes! You can use this to toggle your mobile data to save on costs too.

    Llama's great (:
    03-21-2013 11:43 AM
  5. kurokirasama's Avatar
    I don't have a data plan for my phone, but live in an area that's densely filled with both cell towers and Wi-Fi. I set up Llama to turn on the Wi-Fi for a minute at 15 minute intervals, so basically my phone can sync to the internet every 15 minutes instead of me having to manually turn Wi-Fi on and off each time. This event only fires when the screen is turned off, and only when I'm in places that have Wi-Fi such as at home or in school.

    This is how I set up my Llama event.

    --

    Create a new event and name it accordingly, make sure it's enabled.

    CONDITIONS:
    Enter area - if you want the Wi-Fi to fire only in certain areas
    Screen on/off - off
    I also put Battery level above 10 so that the phone will save on battery by not running the event when my battery level's low.

    You can add other conditions.

    UNDER THE ADVANCED options:
    - Tick "Delay event"
    - Delay minutes - 1 minute (The time between your screen turning off/entering an area and the repeating Wi-Fi firing)
    - Delay seconds - 0 seconds
    Cancel delay if false - I ticked this so the rotating Wi-Fi will not run when my screen turns on again.

    Require confirmation - No

    Repeat event - yes
    Repeat interval - 15 minutes (change this to how often you want the Wi-Fi to turn on and off)

    Under ACTIONS,
    Toggle Wi-Fi - On
    Queue another event --> this will take you to a new screen.

    QUEUED EVENT
    The queued event is to turn the Wi-Fi off after 1 minute (or any duration you like), so I named it "Wi-Fi off"
    Queue delay - 1 minute 0 seconds (change this depending on how long you want the Wi-Fi to be turned on each time it repeats)

    CONDITIONS - none

    ACTIONS:
    Toggle Wi-Fi - Wi-Fi off
    --

    This should give you an event summary of:
    When [List of conditions, when screen turns off etc] - delay for 1 minute and then enable WiFi and queue an event named [Wi-Fi off or whatever you named your queued event] after 1 minutes and 0 seconds every 15 minutes.

    It's been really useful and is just like having a data connection when I'm in places with continuous Wi-Fi. My email and Whatsapp messages get pushed without problems every 15 minutes! You can use this to toggle your mobile data to save on costs too.

    Llama's great (:
    Hi, you are just forgeting to activate syncro and ask for and update, then turn it off.
    Also, this will only work with the screen off, if you are using your device you won't get syncro.
    03-21-2013 03:03 PM
  6. RichardStevens's Avatar
    I've been reviewing both Llama Profile and Smart Volume Control+. With comparing the two apps- Smart Volume Control+ came out way ahead of Llama Profiler.

    llama never full functioned correctly with my Kindle Fire. Made another apps that I have crash. Where as SVC+ always works. I love the GPS profile which follows your steps and switches profiles according to what you assigned the ringtones too.
    03-22-2013 02:25 AM
  7. brasio's Avatar
    I see there are lots of different ways to do what I wanted...

    I'm trying to find the best possible way to do it.
    kurokirasama's way seems a bit complex to me with all the variables.
    I tried to simplify these events but then I had issues with the screen off (once screen off, data would always be on... I think kurokirasama has a variable for that).

    So I tried another way, as in the first post of this thread, but tweaked:

    SYNC MOBILE DATA
    *repeat every 30 min
    Conditions
    - screen off
    - wifi network disconnected (any wifi network)
    Actions
    - toggle mobile data off
    -- queue another event (*delay 10 seconds):
    -> toggle mobile data on
    -> enable sync, request update
    -> queue another event (*delay 3 minutes):
    ----> disable account sync
    ----> toggle mobile data off

    And I have the same event but with WIFI instead of MOBILE DATA and as conditions: wifi network connected (any wifi network).

    Then I have another event with SCREEN ON, to enable mobile data.

    But I'm having some issues with these events.
    Sometimes I have the screen on and suddenly mobile data/wifi connection is lost...

    Don't know what I should do... I'll keep trying!
    03-22-2013 06:25 AM
  8. kurokirasama's Avatar
    I see there are lots of different ways to do what I wanted...I'm trying to find the best possible way to do it.kurokirasama's way seems a bit complex to me with all the variables.I tried to simplify these events but then I had issues with the screen off (once screen off, data would always be on... I think kurokirasama has a variable for that).So I tried another way, as in the first post of this thread, but tweaked:SYNC MOBILE DATA*repeat every 30 minConditions- screen off- wifi network disconnected (any wifi network)Actions- toggle mobile data off-- queue another event (*delay 10 seconds):-> toggle mobile data on-> enable sync, request update-> queue another event (*delay 3 minutes):----> disable account sync----> toggle mobile data offAnd I have the same event but with WIFI instead of MOBILE DATA and as conditions: wifi network connected (any wifi network).Then I have another event with SCREEN ON, to enable mobile data.But I'm having some issues with these events.Sometimes I have the screen on and suddenly mobile data/wifi connection is lost...Don't know what I should do... I'll keep trying!
    That's because in your second queued event you turn data off without any condition, so it will always turn off mobile data whether screen is on or not.As your event is now, the screen off condition it only works as a trigger.

    That's why mine might be a bit complex, because it have to deal with all that issues. Like after a synchronization if the screen is off, to turn off connection, but if the screen is on and I'm in wifi zone then no, but if I'm not then data will turn off at least I'm using an app that uses data.
    That if my screen turn off, and I'm in wifi zone then turn it off at least there's a synchronization in course or an app that use wifi, etc... As you going noting every situation you realice that it wasn't as simple as one could think at first.I'll try to give you a corrected version of your event later.

    Best regards,

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    03-22-2013 08:09 AM
  9. brasio's Avatar
    Yeah, I think I had to much queued events, I simplified the event as follow:

    SYNC MOBILE DATA
    *delay 1 min, cancel delayed if false
    *repeat every 30 min
    Conditions
    - screen off
    - wifi network disconnected (any wifi network)
    Actions
    - toggle mobile data on
    - enable account sync, request update
    -- queue another event (*delay 3 minutes):
    -> disable sync
    -> toggle mobile data off

    AND

    SYNC WIFI
    *repeat every 30 min
    Conditions
    - screen off
    - wifi network connected (any wifi network)
    Actions
    - toggle wifi on
    - enable account sync, request update
    -- queue another event (*delay 3 minutes):
    -> disable sync
    -> toggle wifi off

    Then I have another event:

    SCREEN ON
    Conditions
    - when user is present
    Actions
    - enable mobile data

    I have the SYNC MOBILE DATA delayed 1 minute so the SYNC WIFI will start first (I mostly always in wifi areas).
    That way, if I'm not mistaken, the SYNC MOBILE DATA will only fire if the SYNC WIFI is not connected (because SYNC WIFI will fire first)???

    And a few posts back, kurokirasama said that "when user is present" condition didn't work for him.
    Personnally, for me, I think it works well!
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    03-22-2013 08:58 AM
  10. kurokirasama's Avatar
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    Yeah, I think I had to much queued events, I simplified the event as follow:

    SYNC MOBILE DATA
    *delay 1 min, cancel delayed if false
    *repeat every 30 min
    Conditions
    - screen off
    - wifi network disconnected (any wifi network)
    Actions
    - toggle mobile data on
    - enable account sync, request update
    -- queue another event (*delay 3 minutes):
    -> disable sync
    -> toggle mobile data off

    AND

    SYNC WIFI
    *repeat every 30 min
    Conditions
    - screen off
    - wifi network connected (any wifi network)
    Actions
    - toggle wifi on
    - enable account sync, request update
    -- queue another event (*delay 3 minutes):
    -> disable sync
    -> toggle wifi off

    Then I have another event:

    SCREEN ON
    Conditions
    - when user is present
    Actions
    - enable mobile data

    I have the SYNC MOBILE DATA delayed 1 minute so the SYNC WIFI will start first (I mostly always in wifi areas).
    That way, if I'm not mistaken, the SYNC MOBILE DATA will only fire if the SYNC WIFI is not connected (because SYNC WIFI will fire first)???

    And a few posts back, kurokirasama said that "when user is present" condition didn't work for him.
    Personnally, for me, I think it works well!
    Hi, this way, your event have this issues.

    1. Since the queued events in your sync event doesn't have any conditions, if you turn on the screen in the middle of a synchronization, at the end of it it will turn your connection off even if you have the screen on. To fix that, in the Queued event only disable Sync, then queue another even with 1 second delay to turn off connection with the condition : Screen is off. That way after a syncro only if the screen Is off it will turn of connections (data or wifi). The one second delay is because, a Queued event will wait until his conditions are true to trigger then disappears. But a delayed Queued event will disappears anyway if the conditions aren't true after the delay.

    2 . When the wifi syncro turns off your wifi, the second conditions on in it will never be true, so data sync will activate even on wifi zones.
    To fix that I recommend to use location conditions instead and enable wifi polling creating the house and near house areas that I mentioned a few post ago. So data sync are for out of wifi areas and wifi sync for Wifi areas.

    3. About the user is present condition, it worked for me, doing what it has to, but it also triggered events with the screen off. To check if that happens to you, add a sound or a speak in the screen on event.

    BR

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    03-22-2013 11:08 AM
  11. Subhasish Bhattacharya1's Avatar
    Hi all,

    I have using this application for some time. I am very happy with the result that it shows when I create some simple rules like changing the profile and all. Now I want to create some kind of rules that involves advanced features. Can someone describe in detail about the usage of delay, cancel delay if false and repeat functions that are available there in simple English? There seems to be no easy explanations on these terms or at least I could not find any.

    Thanks in advanced.....
    03-29-2013 12:24 AM
  12. crhistian's Avatar
    "Can someone describe in detail about the usage of delay, cancel delay if false and repeat functions that are available there in simple English?"

    Delay- This is referring to the delay before a certain action is triggered. For example even though a condition such me entering my home area is present I can add a delay before a certain action such as connecting to the wifi takes place.

    Cancel Delay if False- So, lets just use my previous example again. Let's assume that I entered my home area thus potentially triggering me connecting to my wifi. But let's suppose that I had a delay of 10 minutes and I actually left my home area before those 10 minutes were up. In that case my previous condition or trigger would now be false. It really wouldn't make sense for my wifi to turn on if I'm not even home.

    Repeat Functions- Let's say I had an automation such as turning data on for a couple of minutes so I could receive my updates and then turning them off. Repeat function would be useful in this case. It just repeats whatever it was that you were doing. May not be relevant for some things but yeah thats the gist of it.
    03-29-2013 07:35 PM
  13. crhistian's Avatar
    What are done music apps that are supported by llama? I just noticed mine isn't :/
    03-29-2013 07:56 PM
  14. kurokirasama's Avatar
    What are done music apps that are supported by llama? I just noticed mine isn't :/
    N7player...

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    03-29-2013 09:10 PM
  15. jape41's Avatar
    Anyone have any pointers to an action+app that would allow me to play the latest podcast for a given channel? I'd like to play the latest morning news in response to a llama condition.
    03-30-2013 10:07 AM
  16. Southern Angel's Avatar
    I just downloaded Llama today. I want to have a silent profile where my husband's calls and texts can ring through but no one else. I have figured out how to get the calls to ring through with noisy contacts but his texts don't come through. My brother-in-law says he has gotten his llama to work this way for his wife (my sister) but I can't figure it out. Thanks

    Andrea
    03-30-2013 02:12 PM
  17. Olivier D's Avatar
    My brother-in-law says he has gotten his llama to work this way for his wife (my sister) but I can't figure it out. Thanks

    Andrea
    Wouldn't it be simpler to just ask your brother-in- law what he did exactly? He Might be using a different SMS app than the default one.

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    Hey people!

    I've been using Llama for quite some time now, but I'm still not used to variables. I've gone through this thread like from page 1 to current! I hope I get the attention most of you had.

    First, this is the link where you can decode the shared Llama event. Time saver

    Now my main concerne is about this event I created :


    Event name: Quiet at night

    Between 23:00 and 11:00 when screen turns off when call state is in a call {When the current app is not **LONG LIST OF APPS**} when BTH220 is not connected when 'loud' does not have a value of 'yes' - delay for 10 minutes and then set Llama variable 'quiet' to 'yes', change profile to Quiet, disable account sync and run a Locale plugin 'Secure Settings: Mobile Data Disabled'


    (full event link on social Llama website)

    My goal with it is to avoid switching to Quiet if I'm using the phone or using an app that connects to the internet like the browser. And it's then when I'm done, it can wait for 10 minutes to switch to Quiet.
    It doesn't switch to Quiet after I'm done, and last time when it triggered at 23:00, even after I had profile Loud activated it kept switching back to Quiet.

    Here are my other events related to it :

    Event name: Day loud

    Between 06:00 and 10:00 - Require confirmation and then enable mobile data, enable WiFi for 1 minutes then turn off if not connected, change profile to Loud and set Llama variable 'loud' to 'yes'


    Event name: At Home

    At Home between 10:30 and 22:59 - enable WiFi for 15 minutes then turn off if not connected and set Llama variable 'Wi-Fi on' to 'yes'


    Event name: Left Home

    Upon leaving Home between 06:00 and 22:59 - change profile to Loud, disable WiFi, disable account sync and enable mobile data



    Event name: Wi-Fi connect

    When your phone connects to WiFi-Home between 06:00 and 22:59 - change profile to Normal, run a Locale plugin 'Secure Settings: Mobile Data Disabled' and set Llama variable 'Wi-Fi connected' to 'yes'


    Event name: Wi-Fi disconnected

    When your phone disconnects from WiFi-Home between 06:00 and 22:59 when 'quiet' does not have a value of 'yes' - run a Locale plugin 'Secure Settings: Mobile Data Enabled'


    What should be changed? What do you guys think?
    04-01-2013 05:56 AM
  18. kurokirasama's Avatar
    I think your mistake is the condition: call state in a call, it should be, not in a call I guess?


    What locale plugin are you using and what for?

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    04-01-2013 07:56 AM
  19. Olivier D's Avatar
    I think your mistake is the condition: call state in a call, it should be, not in a call I guess?


    What locale plugin are you using and what for?

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    Hi kurokirasama! Thanks for replying quickly.
    About the call state, I just checked and in Llama, it says not in a call. I think the decoder decoded the event wrong, that's why it's showing in a call.

    I'm using Secure Settings as a locale plugin which works great. Except for the part where even after disabling keyguard, when you click on a notification, keyguard turns back on.
    04-01-2013 12:20 PM
  20. kurokirasama's Avatar
    I see.

    About the locale plugin, as you are using it here it's redundant, since you can achieve the same with llama only.

    About your event, I don't see why it doesn't works. I would add "when variable quiet doesn't have value yes", so it will not change to quiet when it is already in that profile.

    About the others, I would improve that when your are not at wifi area, turn off wifi. And when you are, turn off mobile data.

    About your post, could you delete the events details and just let the description like in llama? for easier reading

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    04-01-2013 12:48 PM
  21. Olivier D's Avatar
    I see.

    About the locale plugin, as you are using it here it's redundant, since you can achieve the same with llama only.

    About your event, I don't see why it doesn't works. I would add "when variable quiet doesn't have value yes", so it will not change to quiet when it is already in that profile.

    About the others, I would improve that when your are not at wifi area, turn off wifi. And when you are, turn off mobile data.

    About your post, could you delete the events details and just let the description like in llama? for easier reading

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    I edited my post.

    As for the locale plugin, I use it to toggle, where Llama can only Enable or disable...since Llama always says experimental must have mobile data enabled in settings I just go ahead and use the locale plugin. But I have other events where I use the toggle action

    My event Quiet keeps firing even when I put to not trigger when profile loud is activated. This happened Yesterday morning until 11:00.
    04-01-2013 02:11 PM
  22. kurokirasama's Avatar
    I edited my post.

    As for the locale plugin, I use it to toggle, where Llama can only Enable or disable...since Llama always says experimental must have mobile data enabled in settings I just go ahead and use the locale plugin. But I have other events where I use the toggle action

    My event Quiet keeps firing even when I put to not trigger when profile loud is activated. This happened Yesterday morning until 11:00.
    By toggle, you mean turning it off and on? If yes, for llama enabling means turning on and backwards.

    About the event, isn't loud profile active just from 6 to 10 am? how could it be activated at 23:00?
    If you activated it manually, the llama variable loud won't change...

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    04-01-2013 03:03 PM
  23. Olivier D's Avatar
    By toggle, you mean turning it off and on? If yes, for llama enabling means turning on and backwards.

    About the event, isn't loud profile active just from 6 to 10 am? how could it be activated at 23:00?
    If you activated it manually, the llama variable loud won't change...

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    If mobile data is on, toggle switches it off and vice-versa. I have events where I don't need to specifically turn on or off, just to toggle.

    The event Loud triggers a confirmation notification starting from 6 am. Yesterday morning I wrote, I confirmed the event Loud but I think that as soon as I turned off my screen, the event Quiet triggered. This happened three times until 11 am

    See, I didn't know running an event's actions wouldn't change a variable. Confirmation is not manual, right?
    04-01-2013 03:35 PM
  24. kurokirasama's Avatar
    If mobile data is on, toggle switches it off and vice-versa. I have events where I don't need to specifically turn on or off, just to toggle.

    The event Loud triggers a confirmation notification starting from 6 am. Yesterday morning I wrote, I confirmed the event Loud but I think that as soon as I turned off my screen, the event Quiet triggered. This happened three times until 11 am

    See, I didn't know running an event's actions wouldn't change a variable. Confirmation is not manual, right?
    Personally, I like to know and control what llama does, and with toggles at some point you might get confused, but if you feel comfortable with, it's ok ;-)

    Why do you think it changes to quiet?
    To be sure, add the next action to your quiet event: speak: "quiet activated" or something. And the output for where there is still volume (media maybe)...

    You could also add it to loud profile.

    This way you will know for sure when they are triggered or not.

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    04-01-2013 04:04 PM
  25. Olivier D's Avatar
    Personally, I like to know and control what llama does, and with toggles at some point you might get confused, but if you feel comfortable with, it's ok ;-)

    Why do you think it changes to quiet?
    To be sure, add the next action to your quiet event: speak: "quiet activated" or something. And the output for where there is still volume (media maybe)...

    You could also add it to loud profile.

    This way you will know for sure when they are triggered or not.

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    I get what you mean, but I'm sure because my volume was on 7 and my mobile data on before turning off the screen since I was using the phone to surf the web. One of the times it switched to Quiet, the phone was in my pocket before noticing that I had a missed call and mobile data was off : the profile quiet changes notification and ring volumes to 1 and also the ringtone to one that doesn't freak me out during my sleep
    04-01-2013 04:11 PM
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