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  1. badbrad17's Avatar
    Btw you are a great resource Slender. Thanks.

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    12-12-2012 11:39 PM
  2. JHBThree's Avatar
    http://m.cnet.com/news/googles-schmi.../57558679?ds=1

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    They're winning the battle (market share) but losing the war (profit). Apple still makes double the profits of Samsung in the mobile market.

    I think Schmidt is also misguided attempting to compare the mobile OS market to that of the desktop market. The current market is far more fluid than the desktop market ever was, and fortunes could change for any of the major players very quickly. All it would take is one disruptive force (likely Microsoft) and the fortunes of both apple and google could change quickly.
    12-13-2012 01:49 AM
  3. nrm5110's Avatar
    They're winning the battle (market share) but losing the war (profit). Apple still makes double the profits of Samsung in the mobile market.

    I think Schmidt is also misguided attempting to compare the mobile OS market to that of the desktop market. The current market is far more fluid than the desktop market ever was, and fortunes could change for any of the major players very quickly. All it would take is one disruptive force (likely Microsoft) and the fortunes of both apple and google could change quickly.
    Market share is all Google is worried about in a way if Google holds 75% of global smartphone market it wins because its after your data. Samsung may in fact be losing since its money comes from the hardware but trust me Google is laughing all the way to the bank right now.

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    12-13-2012 01:56 AM
  4. badbrad17's Avatar
    They're winning the battle (market share) but losing the war (profit). Apple still makes double the profits of Samsung in the mobile market.

    I think Schmidt is also misguided attempting to compare the mobile OS market to that of the desktop market. The current market is far more fluid than the desktop market ever was, and fortunes could change for any of the major players very quickly. All it would take is one disruptive force (likely Microsoft) and the fortunes of both apple and google could change quickly.
    But it's Apple against Google and Samsung and Motorola and Sony and LG and HTC and all the other manufacturers. And now Qualcomm is pissed off too. This type of negative impact in the market is already impacting their bottom line. And now the tablet market is sliding too.

    Google doesn't have to win the hardware game they are in everything. You may have heard the big news today. Google maps is back on iOS. Apple fans are ecstatic. +1 for Google.

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    12-13-2012 02:03 AM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    They're winning the battle (market share) but losing the war (profit). Apple still makes double the profits of Samsung in the mobile market.
    Apple fans bring this up all the time. While Apple's profit is indeed impressive, what does anyone besides stockholders care? Does profit make the product better? It could be somewhat of a barometer of quality, but it doesn't directly affect it. The pros & cons of iPhone vs. Android or WP aren't related to profit.
    12-13-2012 02:03 AM
  6. JHBThree's Avatar
    Apple fans bring this up all the time. While Apple's profit is indeed impressive, what does anyone besides stockholders care? Does profit make the product better? It could be somewhat of a barometer of quality, but it doesn't directly affect it. The pros & cons of iPhone vs. Android or WP aren't related to profit.
    Without profits the business model is unsustainable. Without profits, companies cannot invest in R&D and new technologies. Profits are as critical to the industry as market share is. (Pros and cons of each platform are irrelevant to the conversation)

    The fact that the only android manufacturer that is able to make any measurable money off android is Samsung is a big warning flag. Google itself makes more off iOS than android.

    Here's why it's not a good thing for android, and why the war is far more dynamic than Schmidt acknowledges: without profits, manufacturers will be more inclined to move to other platforms that are on the rise. If HTC starts making a lot of money off Windows phone, do you really think they'll stick around with android?
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    12-13-2012 02:32 AM
  7. piizzadude's Avatar
    Without profits the business model is unsustainable.
    You coulda stopped there.

    They will stick with Android though. There is no doubt about that. Why? The potential. If Android overall has 70% of the smartphone market (even if 40% of that is samsungs) they will stick with the platform. Everyone stuck with Windows even with Vista being a flaming pile.

    Everyone will hope that the next big phone will be theirs. The good thing that will come out of it is that there will be LESS phones made and more of these throw aways will be gotten rid of.
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    12-13-2012 03:00 AM
  8. badbrad17's Avatar
    I agree with Pizza. LG is also making money and with the success of the Nexus 4 has an even bigger opportunity. Asus is proving that they are very committed and have made money too. HTC could be at the top if they could realize that they need to put a half decent battery in their phones.

    Apple has loads of cash for now, but Google is still raking in boat loads of money. Apple's hold on the market is much weaker than Googles IMO. If everyone stops buying Apple products Google still wins and Apple loses. If they keep buying Apple products then Google still wins.

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    12-13-2012 09:43 AM
  9. JHBThree's Avatar
    I agree with Pizza. LG is also making money and with the success of the Nexus 4 has an even bigger opportunity. Asus is proving that they are very committed and have made money too. HTC could be at the top if they could realize that they need to put a half decent battery in their phones.

    Apple has loads of cash for now, but Google is still raking in boat loads of money. Apple's hold on the market is much weaker than Googles IMO. If everyone stops buying Apple products Google still wins and Apple loses. If they keep buying Apple products then Google still wins.

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    Lg is barely profitable.
    12-13-2012 01:59 PM
  10. Ry's Avatar
    You coulda stopped there.

    They will stick with Android though. There is no doubt about that. Why? The potential. If Android overall has 70% of the smartphone market (even if 40% of that is samsungs) they will stick with the platform. Everyone stuck with Windows even with Vista being a flaming pile.

    Everyone will hope that the next big phone will be theirs. The good thing that will come out of it is that there will be LESS phones made and more of these throw aways will be gotten rid of.
    Everyone stuck with Windows because they stuck with XP. Let's not get that twisted.
    12-13-2012 02:13 PM
  11. Ry's Avatar
    I agree with Pizza. LG is also making money and with the success of the Nexus 4 has an even bigger opportunity. Asus is proving that they are very committed and have made money too. HTC could be at the top if they could realize that they need to put a half decent battery in their phones.

    Apple has loads of cash for now, but Google is still raking in boat loads of money. Apple's hold on the market is much weaker than Googles IMO. If everyone stops buying Apple products Google still wins and Apple loses. If they keep buying Apple products then Google still wins.

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    But just because Google is making money because of Android (and the data it collects) doesn't mean that hardware makers are also making money right along side with them.
    12-13-2012 02:16 PM
  12. piizzadude's Avatar
    Microsoft: 180 million Vista licenses now sold | Ars Technica

    Corporations yes, the consumers got suckered into it.

    - - - Updated - - -

    But just because Google is making money because of Android (and the data it collects) doesn't mean that hardware makers are also making money right along side with them.
    I havent seen on post a loss. They are not making tons, but they are making
    12-13-2012 02:24 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    I havent seen on post a loss. They are not making tons, but they are making
    Sure. But can you honestly say that when over 90% of the profits go to Apple and Samsung that doesn't give you any caution about the other hardware players?
    12-13-2012 02:32 PM
  14. piizzadude's Avatar
    Hyundai was in the same kind of boat in the US and they seem to be doing ok

    Caution sure, maybe we lose Sony, but MOTO, Samsung, LG and HTC will plow through for quite some time.
    12-13-2012 02:38 PM
  15. JHBThree's Avatar
    Microsoft: 180 million Vista licenses now sold | Ars Technica

    Corporations yes, the consumers got suckered into it.

    - - - Updated - - -



    I havent seen on post a loss. They are not making tons, but they are making
    Lg posted losses for years on end. This past quarter they barely eeked out a profit.
    12-13-2012 07:36 PM
  16. badbrad17's Avatar
    Lg posted losses for years on end. This past quarter they barely eeked out a profit.
    True but they have been the under dog forever. They have only recently become a player in the market with the Optimus and Nexus. Look at next quarter. Also Asus. They are all doing much better.

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    12-14-2012 04:37 AM
  17. piizzadude's Avatar
    I don't think that the Nexus is going to do much for the bottom line, I am sure they are almost giving them to Google to help with name recognition. This time next year should be a good measuring stick for them.

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    12-14-2012 04:45 AM
  18. A-android-B's Avatar
    That is funny. Hope Android dominate the smartphone market in the future. I am android lover.
    Look around the future is now!

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    12-14-2012 06:41 AM
  19. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Google doesn't have to win the hardware game they are in everything. You may have heard the big news today. Google maps is back on iOS. Apple fans are ecstatic. +1 for Google.

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    It became the number one app in 7 hours. :P

    As for this war, both Google and Apple have their own advantages, Apple has profits, Google has market share. Android has customization and openness, iPhone has ease of use and better support.

    If there was to be a winner, it would be hard for anyone to know who it would be and anyone who thinks they know for sure is only fooling themselves.


    This is from me, on my EVO 3D.
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    12-14-2012 11:06 AM
  20. piizzadude's Avatar
    It became the number one app in 7 hours. :P

    As for this war, both Google and Apple have their own advantages, Apple has profits, Google has market share. Android has customization and openness, iPhone has ease of use and better support.

    If there was to be a winner, it would be hard for anyone to know who it would be and anyone who thinks they know for sure is only fooling themselves.


    This is from me, on my EVO 3D.
    No the winner is Google. They make a metric butt ton of money off apple, they make another ton off search, they get higher brand recognition off android(no matter who makes the phone). They are in nothing but a win situation

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    12-14-2012 11:53 AM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    Without profits the business model is unsustainable. Without profits, companies cannot invest in R&D and new technologies. Profits are as critical to the industry as market share is. (Pros and cons of each platform are irrelevant to the conversation)
    Yes I know that. I do understand business somewhat. But most of the people that bring up Apple's advantage in profits are not thinking of that, I guarantee you. It's simply an area where Apple does better than anyone else. You know, "Android has 75% of the market share!" "Oh yeah, but Apple has a 70% share of the profit."

    Another thing, Apple has arguably fallen behind in innovation recently. If Apple has most of the profit which directly facilitates R&D, shouldn't they still be way ahead of the competition in that area?
    12-14-2012 12:32 PM
  22. nrm5110's Avatar
    Yes I know that. I do understand business somewhat. But most of the people that bring up Apple's advantage in profits are not thinking of that, I guarantee you. It's simply an area where Apple does better than anyone else. You know, "Android has 75% of the market share!" "Oh yeah, but Apple has a 70% share of the profit."

    Another thing, Apple has arguably fallen behind in innovation recently. If Apple has most of the profit which directly facilitates R&D, shouldn't they still be way ahead of the competition in that area?
    Lol android in itself is not meant to generate profit Google is not failing they are getting exactly what they want. OEMS on the other hand I see your point

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    12-14-2012 12:41 PM
  23. badbrad17's Avatar
    It became the number one app in 7 hours. :P

    As for this war, both Google and Apple have their own advantages, Apple has profits, Google has market share. Android has customization and openness, iPhone has ease of use and better support.

    If there was to be a winner, it would be hard for anyone to know who it would be and anyone who thinks they know for sure is only fooling themselves.

    This is from me, on my EVO 3D.
    I think they both have some serious profits. Apple may have more at this point but Google is not anywhere near being unprofitable.

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    12-14-2012 02:58 PM
  24. nrm5110's Avatar
    I think they both have some serious profits. Apple may have more at this point but Google is not anywhere near being unprofitable.

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    Those profits aren't on Google their profits come from ad and data revenue not from android itself

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    12-14-2012 03:02 PM
  25. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Those profits aren't on Google their profits come from ad and data revenue not from android itself

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    So you're saying Android doesn't make Google any profits? Cause that's what it seems like (please tell me I'm wrong.) lol
    12-14-2012 03:14 PM
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