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    Default Three cheers for Jason Collins

    Tipping my hat to the courage of Jason Collins. Long overdue.
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    How is this courage?
    This is a national FAD, the "in" thing to do, and nothing more.

    The word 'courage' has much deeper meaning.
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    Fair enough. I respect your opinion. I just happen to disagree. The first active pro athlete coming out is more than a fad. It is an important milestone and a veil of fear has just been lifted for thousands of athletes. If what he did is not courageous then I don't know what the meaning of courage is.
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    Have you considered Lev 18:22?

    Nothing personal, just throwing that out there.
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    No I haven't. It's a moot point. Lev 18:22 doesn't pose any conflict for me and even if I was more religious it'd still be moot. However, I've often considered it when thinking about the conflict in general and whether or not there will ever be some kind of resolution.
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    Not really a fan....
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    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    You have your "hero" and I have mine... See description below.
    This is an article from a FB page.

    The Conservative Insurgent
    Jared Christopher Monti (September 20, 1975 June 21, 2006) was a soldier in the United States Army who received the United States military's highest decoration for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his actions in Afghanistan.

    On June 21, 2006, Monti served as the assistant leader of a 16-man patrol and leader of a weapons forward observer team tasked with gathering intelligence in Gowardesh, Nuristan Province, in northeastern Afghanistan. The team established a small base on a ridge to support a larger Army operation in the valley below. When the larger operation was delayed, Monti's team ran low on provisions. The helicopter that brought supplies revealed the team's position.

    That evening, the patrol was attacked by a group of at least 60 enemy fighters, who had established two positions on a wooded ridge about 50-yards above the patrol and attempted to outflank Monti and his team. The Americans took cover and returned fire, and Monti radioed for artillery and close air support. Enemy fire killed Staff Sergeant Patrick Lybert. Another soldier, Specialist Brian J. Bradbury, was severely wounded and left lying in the open between the enemy and the team's position. Staff Sergeant Chris Cunningham, leader of the patrol's sniper team, called out that he was going to try to rescue Bradbury. Monti replied, "Thats my guy. I am going to get him."

    Monti made three attempts to reach Bradbury. On his first, he advanced to within three feet of Bradbury before being forced back by intense machine-gun and rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) fire. His second try was similarly turned back and as the rest of his patrol provided covering fire, Monti advanced a third time but was struck by an RPG. Some news reports indicated that the explosion blew off both of his legs. Monti attempted to crawl back towards cover. He is reported by comrades to have made his peace with God and asked Sgt. Cunningham to tell his parents he loved them. Monti died moments later. At about the same time, the artillery and air support for which he had called began hitting the enemy position, killing 22 of the attackers and dispersing the rest.

    SPC Bradbury subsequently died during his evacuation when the cable on the rescue hoist lifting him to a 159th Medical Company (Air Ambulance) helicopter broke. The fall also killed Staff Sergeant Heathe Craig, 28, a medic from Severn, Maryland.

    The Army posthumously promoted Monti to sergeant first class.

    The President signed the authorization for Monti to receive the Medal of Honor and the medal was presented to the family in a ceremony at the White House in 2009. He was the sixth person from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to be awarded the Medal of Honor.

    ~NEVER FORGET SERGEANT FIRST CLASS JARED CHRISTOPHER MONTI~

    Honor the blood of our brave heroes by living a life worthy of their ultimate sacrifice. The legacy of these extraordinary heroes is the memory of a great name and the inheritance of a great example. They were willing to die for YOUR freedoms. Are you??? Their sacrifices give us our freedoms. They gave their tomorrows for our todays. Words will never be adequate to express our debt to them. Never, ever take your freedoms for granted. They were paid for in blood.

    Please take the time to teach your children and grandchildren about freedom, liberty and the brave men and women who fought and died to secure our rights and freedoms. It is easy to take liberty for granted, when you have never had it taken from you.

    ~ FREEDOM ISN'T FREE ~
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    I believe that at times the term courage is overused, as is hero... But, I think that hero and courage are both useful outside of the realm of armed conflict (without diminishing the sacrifices of those who have served that way).

    A hero does not have to risk death literally, it can be giving up their own comfort and/or security to help others... giving up a bit of their life to benefit the lives of others. Courage does not have to involve exposure to bullets, it can involve exposure to the possibility of scorn and ridicule, or risk to livelihood or freedom. To me, a person with courage, or heroism, can be anyone who takes a stand that is difficult... whether or not I agree with their stand. This can be in the field of battle, and it can also be in the area of public opinion.

    I know virtually nothing about professional basketball, but I applaud Jason Collins for being open about who he is. I hope for a day when a statement like his will no longer be newsworthy.
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    Why does it even need to be a statement?

    Here's MY statement:
    I love pizza.






    *Awaiting my news conference...

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    See how ridiculous this is?

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    But seriously, why does the whole world need to know what this guy does IN HIS BED? Why would anybody WANT to know? Who cares? Really.

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    But seriously, why does the whole world need to know what this guy does IN HIS BED? Why would anybody WANT to know? Who cares? Really.

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    Certainly his ex-fiancee would have liked to know back when she was thinking about marrying him.

    Other than that... NADA.

    Personally I think this behavior is disgusting.
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    Certainly his ex-fiancee would have liked to know back when she was thinking about marrying him.

    Other than that... NADA.

    Personally I think this behavior is disgusting.
    Why do you get so bothered by it? Are you uncomfortable that someone may be to persuasive and convince you to be gay? Or is it their choice? If so, are you saying you could choose to enjoy it as well?

    I'm not gay but they also dont bother or effect my life in any way so why care?


    And yes, he is courageous to do that. If everyone wasnt so judgmental then what he did would be easy and done by now. He is taking a stand for the gay community.

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    If it's his choice, then why does everybody else need to know about it

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    Why do you get so bothered by it? Are you uncomfortable that someone may be to persuasive and convince you to be gay? Or is it their choice? If so, are you saying you could choose to enjoy it as well?

    I'm not gay but they also dont bother or effect my life in any way so why care?


    And yes, he is courageous to do that. If everyone wasnt so judgmental then what he did would be easy and done by now. He is taking a stand for the gay community.

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    I have been married for almost 21 years, and I am quite comfortable with my sexuality. My wife and I dated for over a year before we got engaged, and 2 years after that before we got married.

    1) it's immoral behavior

    2) I really don't care what he or anyone else does in their bedroom. Just keep it there. Why force his homosexuality on the rest of us. Are we supposed to look at him differently because he is gay? no so keep it to yourself.

    3) Well it's clear that at one time he obviously enjoyed sex with women since he was engaged, I have my doubts about that being a relationship where they decided to wait till marriage before having sex. Did he come out and announce his heterosexuality.

    4) C'mon a call from the president, on this i find it difficult to stay within the parameters of polite conversation. How does THIS deserve a call from the president? How is this deserving of the media storm?

    I'm really not a basketball fan, I have no idea if he's a star player or simply mediocre.

    It's self-centered, attention seeking behavior, and a few other things but certainly not courageous.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    If what he did is not courageous then I don't know what the meaning of courage is.
    Just read a few of the posts I put up here, and you will find the definition of heroism. An athlete is rarely called upon to behave courageously with the notable exception of .
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    I have been married for almost 21 years, and I am quite comfortable with my sexuality. My wife and I dated for over a year before we got engaged, and 2 years after that before we got married.

    1) it's immoral behavior

    2) I really don't care what he or anyone else does in their bedroom. Just keep it there. Why force his homosexuality on the rest of us. Are we supposed to look at him differently because he is gay? no so keep it to yourself.

    3) Well it's clear that at one time he obviously enjoyed sex with women since he was engaged, I have my doubts about that being a relationship where they decided to wait till marriage before having sex. Did he come out and announce his heterosexuality.

    4) C'mon a call from the president, on this i find it difficult to stay within the parameters of polite conversation. How does THIS deserve a call from the president? How is this deserving of the media storm?

    I'm really not a basketball fan, I have no idea if he's a star player or simply mediocre.

    It's self-centered, attention seeking behavior, and a few other things but certainly not courageous.
    How is he forcing it on the rest of us? All he is wanting is to be treated as an equal. No more hiding who he is. How does someone being gay make you feel like he's forcing it on you? That's a joke. Please give me examples of how gays negatively effect your life.

    If people didnt judge them differently then it wouldn't be a big deal. Unfortunately its people exactly like yourself which make it a big deal.

    Hes not asking you to watch videos with his bf. Hes just wanting to not be judged or have to hide when he does go out in public with another man or want to date another man. If he didnt come out and say it the media would have made it 10x worse anyways.



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    Quote Originally Posted by trix View Post
    How is he forcing it on the rest of us? All he is wanting is to be treated as an equal. No more hiding who he is. How does someone being gay make you feel like he's forcing it on you? That's a joke. Please give me examples of how gays negatively effect your life.

    If people didnt judge them differently then it wouldn't be a big deal. Unfortunately its people exactly like yourself which make it a big deal.

    Hes not asking you to watch videos with his bf. Hes just wanting to not be judged or have to hide when he does go out in public with another man or want to date another man. If he didnt come out and say it the media would have made it 10x worse anyways.



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    Ok, what about his teammates?
    How do you think they feel in the locker room with him in the showers with them? Maybe very uncomfortable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by llamabreath View Post
    Ok, what about his teammates?
    How do you think they feel in the locker room with him in the showers with them? Maybe very uncomfortable?

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    Nothing really has changed. Lockers rooms already have plenty of gay people in them among the coaches, staff, press, family, fellow teammates and whoever else is there. If it doesn't bother you if women reporters see you naked, why would it bother you if one of your teammates is gay? Players get asked this question all the time, and what they say is that they treat each other like brothers so it is not that big of a deal. However, everybody has a different comfort level with these things and the point you bring up is valid and should be addressed. For me it is no big deal -- I don't know why, but I could care less if my teammate was gay and we shared the same locker room and showers. It just doesn't bother me at all, but I respect the fact that others might not have the same comfort level, and that will have to be addressed. I suppose they could install stalls or curtains for those who are not comfortable, but it goes just beyond professional sports teams. There are gay players on every team on every sport at every level. It is better to be open and honest about it rather than hide it. Please, before anyone says "no one asking that kid to hide who he is," please think of the the 14 year old kid who just wants to play on his Freshman High School Basketball team. There is still a lot of open hostility and scorn towards gays, and it is especially prevalent in the the arena of sports.
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    If it doesn't bother you if women reporters see you naked, why would it bother you if one of your teammates is gay?
    Because most women reporters are HOT and the thought of some hairy dude in the shower checking me out repulses me??


    smh, lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by llamabreath View Post
    Because most women reporters are HOT
    Fair enough.............I did laugh when I saw.........BTW How do you know the guy is hairy...........YOU MUST OF BEEN LOOKING...........lol
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    yeah, right

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    and the thought of some hairy dude in the shower checking me out repulses me??
    T'sWSS lol ltm
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    Quote Originally Posted by trix View Post
    How is he forcing it on the rest of us? All he is wanting is to be treated as an equal. No more hiding who he is. How does someone being gay make you feel like he's forcing it on you? That's a joke. Please give me examples of how gays negatively effect your life.

    If people didnt judge them differently then it wouldn't be a big deal. Unfortunately its people exactly like yourself which make it a big deal.

    Hes not asking you to watch videos with his bf. Hes just wanting to not be judged or have to hide when he does go out in public with another man or want to date another man. If he didnt come out and say it the media would have made it 10x worse anyways.



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    He is making it an issue, if he hasn't decided to announce it to the world I certainly wouldn't have known. By telling us about his sexual preference he IS seeking the approval of the American public, and the rest of the world. Well sorry he can do what he wants in the bedroom and keep it there between him and whomever he chooses as a partner.

    He is not getting my approval...

    Honestly as far as I am concerned that's really all of your post that warrants a response.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    He is making it an issue, if he hasn't decided to announce it to the world I certainly wouldn't have known. By telling us about his sexual preference he IS seeking the approval of the American public, and the rest of the world. Well sorry he can do what he wants in the bedroom and keep it there between him and whomever he chooses as a partner.

    He is not getting my approval...

    Honestly as far as I am concerned that's really all of your post that warrants a response.
    Thats the thing. Why should he be forced to keep it in the bedroom. What if he wanted to date another man? If he was to go in public and hold hands with this guy the media would have made it an even larger deal than him coming out beforehand.

    Its people like you that make it a big deal. If no one cared and were judgmental they wouldn't have to hide it or anything and it wouldnt make news. Its sad people obviously discriminate against them and expect them to hide something like their sexual orientation.

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