Google stricking back, Apple screwed?

Verdes8891 · 02-17-2012, 01:13 PM

Just came across this article on another website about Google finally filling for a patent on the notification system. If and when this goes through, i am pretty sure, apple will be in deep trouble.

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pazzo02 · 02-17-2012, 02:33 PM

And Steve Jobs didn't know about this when he was screaming from the rooftops that Google was copying everything from Apple? Yeah, sure he didn't. I'm sorry, the more I hear about Jobs' hatred for Google, the more I dislike him.

JHBThree · 02-17-2012, 04:27 PM

Guys. Seriously. Read up on patent law. In order for a company to be found infringing they have to infringe ALL aspects of the patent. That is why this patent won't allow Google to do anything about Apple's implementation. (its also why Apple will lose any attempt to sue Android OEMs for slide to unlock on honeycomb and newer devices)

This is the relevant section of the patent:

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...in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface, a notification of a recent alert event for a mobile device...

That, right there, identifies that the notification is displayed in the status bar prior to the user swiping down to reveal the notification area. Apple's implementation does not do that. In fact, it is very likely Apple knew about this patent and chose not to include that feature for this very reason.

In other words; its providing some nice click-bait for people that hate Apple, but it isn't true.

pazzo02 · 02-17-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JHBThree

Guys. Seriously. Read up on patent law. In order for a company to be found infringing they have to infringe ALL aspects of the patent. That is why this patent won't allow Google to do anything about Apple's implementation. (its also why Apple will lose any attempt to sue Android OEMs for slide to unlock on honeycomb and newer devices)

I didn't say anything about Apple being in trouble over this, so I assume when you say "guys" you're just talking about the OP. I understand the patent law. Apple is the one that doesn't.

Verdes8891 · 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JHBThree

Guys. Seriously. Read up on patent law. In order for a company to be found infringing they have to infringe ALL aspects of the patent. That is why this patent won't allow Google to do anything about Apple's implementation. (its also why Apple will lose any attempt to sue Android OEMs for slide to unlock on honeycomb and newer devices)

This is the relevant section of the patent:

That, right there, identifies that the notification is displayed in the status bar prior to the user swiping down to reveal the notification area. Apple's implementation does not do that. In fact, it is very likely Apple knew about this patent and chose not to include that feature for this very reason.

In other words; its providing some nice click-bait for people that hate Apple, but it isn't true.

Yes i am aware of the patent law, but the line you are quoting in your post is out of context there. Yes Androids notifications do pop up and stay in the status bar unlike apples, but Apples IOS 5 software does pop up a notification when something new comes in (ie text messages, emails etc.) it does disappear, but you can still pull down and see all the notifications centralized in one place. That right there is what Google is filing the patent for. The pull down notifications, not the status bar notifications.

Here is the patent description right here.

A computer-implemented user notification method includes displaying, in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface, a notification of a recent alert event for a mobile device, receiving a user selection in the status area, and in response to the receipt of the user selection, displaying, in a central zone of the graphical interface, detail regarding a plurality of recent messaging events for the mobile device.”

Patent infringement is decided based on the language of the claim. The way I interpret Googles patent is that when a user receives a new notification they are able to pull down a menu that has all their recent notifications in one central area on their mobile device.

JHBThree · 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Verdes8891

Yes i am aware of the patent law, but the line you are quoting in your post is out of context there. Yes Androids notifications do pop up and stay in the status bar unlike apples, but Apples IOS 5 software does pop up a notification when something new comes in (ie text messages, emails etc.) it does disappear, but you can still pull down and see all the notifications centralized in one place. That right there is what Google is filing the patent for. The pull down notifications, not the status bar notifications.

Here is the patent description right here.

A computer-implemented user notification method includes displaying, in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface, a notification of a recent alert event for a mobile device, receiving a user selection in the status area, and in response to the receipt of the user selection, displaying, in a central zone of the graphical interface, detail regarding a plurality of recent messaging events for the mobile device.”

Patent infringement is decided based on the language of the claim. The way I interpret Googles patent is that when a user receives a new notification they are able to pull down a menu that has all their recent notifications in one central area on their mobile device.

You don't seem to quite grasp what's being said. iOS' notification system does not display it in the status area. THAT is a critical element of this patent for which infringement would need to be shown.They way it displays notifications is wholly different than how android does it. It is different enough that Google would not have a basis for an infringement claim. The way patents like this work, apple would have to infringe on every element of Google's patent, which it does not.

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JHBThree · 02-17-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pazzo02

I didn't say anything about Apple being in trouble over this, so I assume when you say "guys" you're just talking about the OP. I understand the patent law. Apple is the one that doesn't.

Doubtful. If you understood patent law, you'd understand why apple isn't infringing on this patent, and why samsung and motorola have been found to infringe on apples.

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Verdes8891 · 02-17-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JHBThree

You don't seem to quite grasp what's being said. iOS' notification system does not display it in the status area. THAT is a critical element of this patent for which infringement would need to be shown.They way it displays notifications is wholly different than how android does it. It is different enough that Google would not have a basis for an infringement claim. The way patents like this work, apple would have to infringe on every element of Google's patent, which it does not.

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I understand what you are saying, i really do. But from my understanding on what this patent is trying to do, it is on the pull down notification center in it self, not the way it is displayed. Is it not?

And IOS does in fact display it in the status area when you first get the new message. If you get a new text message it will pop up in the status area for a moment then disappear until you check it via the pull down menu.

pazzo02 · 02-17-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JHBThree

Doubtful. If you understood patent law, you'd understand why apple isn't infringing on this patent, and why samsung and motorola have been found to infringe on apples.

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Really? Are you just here to aggravate people? Where did I say anything about Apple infringing on this patent?

JHBThree · 02-17-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Verdes8891

I understand what you are saying, i really do. But from my understanding on what this patent is trying to do, it is on the pull down notification center in it self, not the way it is displayed. Is it not?

Ahh I see where your misconception lies. With software patents, apple would have to be infringing every aspect of the patent, not just the pull down shade. With the way the patent is worded, apple is not.

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And IOS does in fact display it in the status area when you first get the new message. If you get a new text message it will pop up in the status area for a moment then disappear until you check it via the pull down menu.

Except its not in the status area. It is in fact a popover graphic that covers the status bar. Apples system never includes notifications in any part of the status bar. It is a significant difference that would clear apple of infringement.

In fact, as I mentioned above, the differences are clear enough that it seems as though apple went out of its way to avoid any infringement. Which is actually how patents are supposed to work.

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