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    Default Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    In order to be able to verify your ID by your fingerprint it needs to be stored somewhere* for comparison with your input. If your fingerprint is stored somewhere then it can be hacked and accessed by undesirables. Who can subsequently do whatever they like with your phone.
    Just like passwords and iris scans are stored beyond your control and can be hacked.

    In other words adding fingerprint technology increases technical complexity and cost, which the user pays for, but it doesn't really increase the user's security!
    So fingerprint technology is de facto just marketing hype.

    And what are you going to do when it turns out that that database has been hacked? Change your fingerprint...?
    Passwords can be changed. Fingerprints can't.

    *probably on your phone, with a backup in someone's cloud (but not yours), like the Play Store.
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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vsweety View Post
    In order to be able to verify your ID by your fingerprint it needs to be stored somewhere* for comparison with your input. If your fingerprint is stored somewhere then it can be hacked and accessed by undesirables. Who can subsequently do whatever they like with your phone.
    Just like passwords and iris scans are stored beyond your control and can be hacked.

    In other words adding fingerprint technology increases technical complexity and cost, which the user pays for, but it doesn't really increase the user's security!
    So fingerprint technology is de facto just marketing hype.

    And what are you going to do when it turns out that that database has been hacked? Change your fingerprint...?
    Passwords can be changed. Fingerprints can't.

    *probably on your phone, with a backup in someone's cloud (but not yours), like the Play Store.
    There's a lot of discussion on the forum related to fingerprint scanners - pros, cons, personal preference, etc. There's always going to be something new and right now this seems to be a security feature manufacturers are pushing.
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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    I am looking forward to it. Yes, any technology can be hacked. The main reason for me is in the event that a common thief steals my phone that it would provide a level of protection against identity theft. Fingerprint scanner is more convenient to me than the others. On my wife's iPhone, I just press it to unlock.

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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    I am looking forward to it. Yes, any technology can be hacked. The main reason for me is in the event that a common thief steals my phone that it would provide a level of protection against identity theft. Fingerprint scanner is more convenient to me than the others. On my wife's iPhone, I just press it to unlock.
    But once your fingerprint (access) is hacked what are you going to do? You can't change your fingerprint (or iris). You can change your password.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vsweety View Post
    But once your fingerprint (access) is hacked what are you going to do? You can't change your fingerprint (or iris). You can change your password.
    If you are that worried, then don't use fingerprint scanner.

    I mean if someone really wanted my fingerprint, they can just follow me around and wait until I touch something and lift the print. I guess I could wear gloves all the time, but it isn't that high off a concern for me.

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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    If you are that worried, then don't use fingerprint scanner.
    Of course. Until e.g. federally mandated. Because they'll want to make sure exactly who they are monitoring in "the war on terror".
    Meanwhile the customer does pay for technology he doesn't want in his mobile device. Not just in dollars and cents. But in all sorts of other consequences too. Like design, size, weight, power consumption, added fragility, etc. etc.

    I mean if someone really wanted my fingerprint, they can just follow me around and wait until I touch something and lift the print.
    Of course 'they' could. But they won't. Too labor intensive. Too time consuming. Too little cost-effectiveness: just one smartphone user, you.
    But if they hack the fingerprint cloud they have millions upon millions of fingerprints in their power, and access to their associated mobile devices. Including yours.
    The collective damage would be horrifying.
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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vsweety View Post
    Of course. Until e.g. federally mandated. Because they'll want to make sure exactly who they are monitoring in "the war on terror".
    Meanwhile the customer does pay for technology he doesn't want in his mobile device. Not just in dollars and cents. But in all sorts of other consequences too. Like design, size, weight, power consumption, added fragility, etc. etc.



    Of course 'they' could. But they won't. Too labor intensive. Too time consuming. Too little benefit: just one smartphone user, you.
    But if they hack the fingerprint cloud they have millions upon millions of fingerprints in their power, and access to their associated mobile devices. Including yours.
    The damage would be horrifying.
    The fingerprint is only used for unlocking the device. It doesn't give them access just by having it...I'm sure that if someone wanted access to your phone, they could do it regardless of what your lock screen uses for security.

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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    The fingerprint is only used for unlocking the device. It doesn't give them access just by having it...I'm sure that if someone wanted access to your phone, they could do it regardless of what your lock screen uses for security.
    You're missing the point. 'They' are not after you. 'They' are not after me. Not worth it.
    But they are after all of us! Collectively. That's worth more than gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vsweety View Post
    Of course. Until e.g. federally mandated. Because they'll want to make sure exactly who they are monitoring in "the war on terror".
    Meanwhile the customer does pay for technology he doesn't want in his mobile device. Not just in dollars and cents. But in all sorts of other consequences too. Like design, size, weight, power consumption, added fragility, etc. etc.



    Of course 'they' could. But they won't. Too labor intensive. Too time consuming. Too little cost-effectiveness: just one smartphone user, you.
    But if they hack the fingerprint cloud they have millions upon millions of fingerprints in their power, and access to their associated mobile devices. Including yours.
    The collective damage would be horrifying.


    The fingerprint is only stored on the cpu not on the cloud , and also it isn't the actual fingerprint that is being stored but is converted into a chunk of data.





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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    The fingerprint is only used for unlocking the device.
    Once you start that, and build the capability in all high-end models, thousands of apps will sprout to use fingerprint reading as their security/identifying system. You know that too.
    It will be faaar from "only used for unlocking the device". It will be ubiquitous.

    It doesn't give them access just by having it...
    Excuse me? Isn't controlling access the whole point of fingerprint technology?

    I'm sure that if someone wanted access to your phone, they could do it regardless of what your lock screen uses for security.
    Again, that is nonsensical. There is no point in going after individual people when you can get the same kind of info and access of many millions of fingerprint scanner users. James Bond is funny, entertaining, and very suave, but he is not cost-effective. He is far too expensive in a cost-benefit audit.
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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    The fingerprint is only stored on the cpu not on the cloud,
    They would say that, wouldn't they?

    and also it isn't the actual fingerprint that is being stored but is converted into a chunk of data.
    A.k.a. a data string, an encryption by algorithm, bits & bytes in specific patterns and sequences. Stored and accessible. And actually accessed every time you swipe again. Just a matter of time before that's cracked. But with a cloud they won't need to.
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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    I would very much rather have a dual or even triple verification process. Now, having certain pieces of technology would override some of the verification processes. Say a smartwatch would take the place of one, and say an NFC tag as another, with a strong password as the third.

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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Then use a dumbphone. Simple solution. No need to send any personal data anywhere that way, except for the phone numbers (and location in some of those) of the phone you're using and the number you're contacting. Wait, they can then use that to track you. Bad idea. Just don't use a phone at all.
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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vsweety View Post
    Again, that is nonsensical. There is no point in going after individual people when you can get the same kind of info and access of many millions of fingerprint scanner users. James Bond is funny, entertaining, and very suave, but he is not cost-effective. He is far too expensive in a cost-benefit audit.
    Actually, they would probably just steal the smartphone, attempt to pull your data, and if they can't, sell the device on the black market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    Actually, they would probably just steal the smartphone, attempt to pull your data, and if they can't, sell the device on the black market.
    If 'they' is the two-bit punk next-door. Sure.
    If 'they' are feds or hackers they couldn't care less about your individual phone. 'They' are only interested in cracking millions of phones – including yours and mine – at the same time. And their collectively stored fingerprints are the prize. Collectively stored fingerprints are the 'X' on the treasure map.
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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vsweety View Post
    If 'they' is the two-bit punk next-door. Sure.
    If 'they' are feds or hackers they couldn't care less about your individual phone. 'They' are only interested in cracking millions of phones including yours and mine at the same time. And their collectively stored fingerprints are the prize. Collectively stored fingerprints are the 'X' on the treasure map.
    Why would they want your fingerprints? I'm sure they already have the prints of all of the people who buy smartphones

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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    Why would they want your fingerprints? I'm sure they already have the prints of all of the people who buy smartphones
    They wouldn't have those if they didn't want them.
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    "They" already have all the fingerprints of people that go to Disney theme parks. That's A LOT of people. lol

    "They" already know everything about us. No need to gather our fingerprints.
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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fr0gburp3r View Post
    "They" already have all the fingerprints of people that go to Disney theme parks. That's A LOT of people. lol

    "They" already know everything about us. No need to gather our fingerprints.
    Anyone with a driver's license...

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    Anyone with a driver's license...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin O'Quinn View Post
    Then use a dumbphone. Simple solution. No need to send any personal data anywhere that way, except for the phone numbers (and location in some of those) of the phone you're using and the number you're contacting. Wait, they can then use that to track you. Bad idea. Just don't use a phone at all.
    If one was the worried about tracking, don't go outdoors either, they can track you by satellite.

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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vsweety View Post
    If 'they' is the two-bit punk next-door. Sure.
    If 'they' are feds or hackers they couldn't care less about your individual phone. 'They' are only interested in cracking millions of phones including yours and mine at the same time. And their collectively stored fingerprints are the prize. Collectively stored fingerprints are the 'X' on the treasure map.
    The government already has my fingerprint, as they probably do with most Americans. Even if I didn't use fingerprint scanning, they can steal government database.

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    Default Re: Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?

    I know the government has my prints. When I applied for a securities license, and when I applied for the military.

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    They have my prints for a not so honorable reason. KO'd a guy on the Vegas strip....sigh

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    Fingerprint scanner is a selling gimmick. My PIN is more secure technically. Fingerprint scanner is not a big deal

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