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    Yeah, the rental fodder trim that barely exists on the dealer's lots still uses the old MZR motor. Whoop de do. For all intents and purposes it doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by npaladin-2000 View Post
    Yeah, the rental fodder trim that barely exists on the dealer's lots still uses the old MZR motor. Whoop de do. For all intents and purposes it doesn't exist.

    Know why I know everything I know is correct? I go look things up before I talk about them.
    There's no point in arguing with u. U couldnt provide correct information and u keep claiming ur correct. So then whats the point. Arguing with u I like talking to someone who doesnt speak the same language. Nobody gets anywhere.

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    Why is it even an argument? Nothing negative was even said to implement it. This thread is about personal preference. not about whether someone's information is correct or incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheyStoleMyName View Post
    I have the complete opposite experience. My dad had a ford f150 with 220, 000mi before the brakes needed to be changed and then nothing major broke or went wrong. It was a work truck too. I have always had to fix my friends cars and they were imports from japan and such. Ive never really had amy problems with german made cars. Ive also fixed my fare share of american cars but none that were mine. Its just what ppl experience and how well cars were taken car of. I bought my mustang with 150k I put a small supercharger on it and never had an issue and it tore it down at 180k. Imo any car is good as long as its taken care of.

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    I know it's mostly about maintenance. I'm talking purely statistics here, not personal experience. I had a Chevy blazer with 150k before I sold it. Ran pretty Ok. I also had a Chevy lumina two years newer that went through two motors before 120k. I'm just saying Japanese cars are more appealing to me with pretty great track records. But I do stand by American cars feeling cheap inside. And German cars being a bit overpriced all things said. Your mileage may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbootcrm View Post
    I know it's mostly about maintenance. I'm talking purely statistics here, not personal experience. I had a Chevy blazer with 150k before I sold it. Ran pretty Ok. I also had a Chevy lumina two years newer that went through two motors before 120k. I'm just saying Japanese cars are more appealing to me with pretty great track records. But I do stand by American cars feeling cheap inside. And German cars being a bit overpriced all things said. Your mileage may vary.
    I agree with you. I was just giving my opinion on why I choose American made cars. Most any car is good as long as it's taken car of properly.

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    What does everyone think of the new F10 M5?
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    ^Ya that's the impression I've been getting. I wish BMW would've stuck a V10 under there instead of the Twin Turbo V8, I don't know of any F10 owner who's kept his exhaust stock. And considering the E60's are around 40-50k now, I don't think it makes sense to spend 90-120k on the F10.. I mean the E60 with an Eisenmann exhaust sounds godly..

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    I do love the looks of some Americans, but I think the $ wins.
    I know, I am not American - However GM and Ford established themselves of here trying to claim to Aussie. America's Chev's under the name Holden and ford as ford with a plant in NSW which is closing down even though our government poured truckloads of money to keep a float and an extra $40 million to keep its workers in work. Over here our city is spread as we have A LOT of land, I mean a lot. Which kills people on the bowser. I don't mind Euro's - dad bought an Audi during his mid life I believe he's got the q5. Mum has Japanse with a Mazada , My sister has a Suburu Imprezza which I am learning to drive in (brother had one too but he sold it for a nissan navara).

    Japanese cars are just too cheap to run, to buy and for the actual features for the same price as what holden (chev) and ford are offering blows them out the water by far. The problem with European cars here is their taxed too heavily. Anything over 70,000 ish dollars gets a 30,0000 dollar luxury import tax on it. Then if you want to something left hand drive its another 25,000 to convert it to right which is the case for dodges.

    Until an American company can produce a nice, quality built car cheaply I won't buy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npaladin-2000 View Post
    Korean.
    That's my vote! My girl loves her 2013 Kia Optima (she had a fully decked out Soul before that) and I really liked my 09 Kia Rio 5 SX. It was a bit spartan in overall features, but was a very solid car and fun to drive with its five speed manual transmission. I recently traded it in for the newly designed 2014 Kia Forte EX (Optima's little brother!). Overall, we've had great success with all the Kia's, no issues at all, just regular maintenance stuff. They're well built and are loaded with a lot features for the price.
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    Should've added european as well, I see some people coming with BMW and similar ones
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    I love me some American V8's, but cant stand American CARS(in terms of last 20-30 years). I dont know why the big 3 cant get the feel and quality of cars right, but they really need to start. I will give them this, the newest generation ford cars are looking better and chevy as well, but for both commuter cars and sports cars they need to reevaluate their methods and priorities. I can say this. I am an Engineer in the auto industry lol

    I recently considered buying an FRS/BRZ, but wont by a first model year of any car and am waiting on the injector seal issues to be worked out for sure. Plus they might make one with more power in a couple of years.

    I am hoping that ford fixes the issues(in my mind) with the mustang in the next generation. Its appalling to me that the current model is as heavy as it is and still has its prehistoric rear suspension set up. If they address these I might by the next gen if everything else is right. I need 4 seats and something I can mod and track, and the GTR is out of my price range lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npaladin-2000 View Post
    Yeah, the rental fodder trim that barely exists on the dealer's lots still uses the old MZR motor. Whoop de do. For all intents and purposes it doesn't exist.

    Know why I know everything I know is correct? I go look things up before I talk about them.
    You know the 2.5L in use in the current Mazda3 is still an MZR, right? The 2014 is supposed to lift the 2.5L SkyActiv from the new Mazda6, but at the moment all the S models still have MZRs. It most definitely does exist.

    So I've always been a Japanese fan, and up until recently had an old Miata, a Mazda3, and a Toyota Yaris. When the Yaris was totaled in a hit-and-run we took a look at what was on the market with an open mind and ended up getting a Chevy Sonic for my wife. Compared to the last time we were car shopping in 2007 it just seemed like the Japanese makes hadn't done a lot. It was a toss up between the Sonic and a Mazda3 hatchback for my wife, but she decided she wanted something a little different than my Mazda3 sedan. We'd always said we'd consider an American car if they made one worth a damn, and Chevy seemed to have come a long way from the Aveo.

    Although we like the car, every once and a while there are little gotchas that make us consider if we made the wrong choice. The rubber bushings on the rear hatch were missing, causing the hatch to rattle when we went on vacation and were going through gravel back roads for about a week. A stereo software upgrade to add compatibility with the promised nav system turned into a fiasco. Gas mileage isn't bad on the highway with the turbo model, but isn't anywhere near reported on a city cycle. In retrospect most of the issues weren't so much with the car itself but with the dealer and Chevy itself. I guess I just got use to having a certain relationship with both the Mazda and Toyota dealerships, and felt they were committed to solving any issues we had. They always seemed... apologetic if there was a problem. For some reason I always feel like I'm imposing on the Chevy dealer or on Chevy as a whole if I have a problem. It's your fault we couldn't update the software, you wanted the upgrade in the first place. You call Chevy Infotainment Support and get them to send us the info. It's your fault you didn't notice the bushing was missing, etc...

    So anyway, we're happy with the car overall but I'd still have to vote Japanese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adauth View Post
    I would love to meet you at a light in my 03 cobra. It's not your basic intake, exhaust, pullied terminator. I got something for ya.

    Looks innocent enough right?

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    Though personally I'd take the new Ford focus 1.6 over ANY Japanese car....including the GTR, that car like all performance cars are impractical and a huge burden to own...one scratch on a focus and you'd hardly notice but one scratch on supper car and...you go bonkers. And then we come to the matter of fuel consumption and running costs such as services and tyres and overnight you realize that you cant afford it, especially if you cant even afford to insurance for it.
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    Its appalling to me that the current model is as heavy as it is and still has its prehistoric rear suspension set up. If they address these I might by the next gen if everything else is right. I need 4 seats and something I can mod and track, and the GTR is out of my price range lol.
    It's appalling to me that a Mustang GT with a prehistoric rear suspension set up can stay with a BMW M3 with IRS and costs much much more. Put a Boss302 in there and bye bye M3.



    You complain about the weight of the Mustang but would get a GTR if you had the cash?

    Mustang GT = 3675lbs
    GTR = 3800lbs

    That GTR is a pig compared to the Mustang GT. The Shelby GT500 is only 50lbs more than the GTR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr0gburp3r View Post
    It's appalling to me that a Mustang GT with a prehistoric rear suspension set up can stay with a BMW M3 with IRS and costs much much more. Put a Boss302 in there and bye bye M3.



    You complain about the weight of the Mustang but would get a GTR if you had the cash?

    Mustang GT = 3675lbs
    GTR = 3800lbs

    That GTR is a pig compared to the Mustang GT. The Shelby GT500 is only 50lbs more than the GTR.
    The live axle in the current Mustang is a liability on anything other than the smoothest, driest race tracks. And even under the best conditions, it is a liability. Big power only gets you so far when you are talking about tracking and auto x.

    And price to performance is always going to be in the domestic's favor of you are comparing to European. Euro cars have different priorities and are more expensive in general. The m3 is arguably less performance oriented than the Mustang.

    And the gtr is a freak of nature. It is so much faster than its power to weight should allow. All the tech in the awd and suspension is ridiculous. It is the yard stick of the super car world and out classes any Mustang on a road course. Heavy or not.
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    It's the yardstick of the super car world? Your delusional! Did you forget Bugatti, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche, Pagani, Koenigsegg, etc? You've lost all credibility with that statement.
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    I've had both Japanese and domestic cars throughout my life. I've had no major problems with either because I keep my cars immaculate. Service your cars like you're supposed to and they will last a long time besides the parts that need replacing due to normal wear and tear. Not too many Japanese cars with guts nowadays so if I were to choose between the two today? It would be American. They have come a long way with performance and fuel efficiency. A lot of bang for your buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr0gburp3r View Post
    It's the yardstick of the super car world? Your delusional! Did you forget Bugatti, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche, Pagani, Koenigsegg, etc? You've lost all credibility with that statement.
    The fact that you do not understand the "yard stick" expression destroys your credibility. It has nothing to do with being the best...
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    The fact that you do not understand the "yard stick" expression destroys your credibility. It has nothing to do with being the best...
    "yard•stick (ˈyɑrdˌstɪk)

    n.
    1. a stick a yard long, commonly marked with subdivisions, used for measuring.
    2. any standard of measurement: Tests are not the only yardstick of academic achievement.
    [1810–20, Amer.]
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    Let's just assume you are using definition number 2.

    What you are saying is the GTR is "the" standard of measurement in which all super cars are measured up against in "your" super car world.

    If this is incorrect, by all means, please explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr0gburp3r View Post
    "yard•stick (ˈyɑrdˌstɪk)

    n.
    1. a stick a yard long, commonly marked with subdivisions, used for measuring.
    2. any standard of measurement: Tests are not the only yardstick of academic achievement.
    [1810–20, Amer.]
    Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved."

    Let's just assume you are using definition number 2.

    What you are saying is the GTR is "the" standard of measurement in which all super cars are measured up against in "your" super car world.

    If this is incorrect, by all means, please explain.
    If you want to talk Bugatti and Zonda and McClaren, those are million dollar cars that if anything are in a league of their own.

    I am referring to Ferrari, Lamborghini, Ford gt, corvette, Porsche, lfa, etc. The gtr to those cars is a yard stick. When the gtr came out, it was beating or matching all of those cars that, excluding the domestic, it severely out priced. So the it became the what everyone had to beat and beat significantly in order to maintain their super car heritage. It forced the super car world to up their game and it has maintained itself as a standard ever sense.
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