We got pwned by the RAZR!!

**2defmouze** · 10-18-2011, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by nickacs

Um, YES, considering my Bionic is a f-ing brick right now since the VZW data outage Sunday night. Yes, I would love to get rid of this POS and get something that actually is a smartphone and not just a calling device!

Ok.. I think I was maybe speaking more towards the 99% of people whose phones are working.. No need to get all uppity because your phone is having a problem. Why don't you spend less time complaining on the forums about your non-working data and more time going to the store to have them fix it for you or give you a new phone?

**gorgalis** · 10-18-2011, 11:59 AM

Who cares? I like the Bionic better, although I hope we get the Moto Cast thing too.

It has the same screen size, same processor, and the same radios. I would be more disappointed about the Nexus is coming and coming on time.

With the Razr... You can not swap the battery, the screen will kill the battery, you will not be able to see the screen in the sun which is bad for me since I use it as a golf gps and for navigation, and it is almost too thin.

I just question why they put 2 phones out so close to one another that are almost the same. If anything, they should have just made this the bionic and the targa the x2.

**2defmouze** · 10-18-2011, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by gorgalis

Who cares? I like the Bionic better, although I hope we get the Moto Cast thing too.

It has the same screen size, same processor, and the same radios. I would be more disappointed about the Nexus is coming and coming on time.

With the Razr... You can not swap the battery, the screen will kill the battery, you will not be able to see the screen in the sun which is bad for me since I use it as a golf gps and for navigation, and it is almost too thin.

I just question why they put 2 phones out so close to one another that are almost the same. If anything, they should have just made this the bionic and the targa the x2.

Lol just wait... tonight the nexus announcement comes and we'll have a whole new round of whiners..

Also, and this is really a question.. Whats the big deal with Motocast? Aren't there enough syncing services we can use in addition to the Zumocast we all got on the bionic? I just don't see why that specifically should be an issue at all.

**SAENZ_SCENE** · 10-18-2011, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by ManBearPig618

I'm waiting on the Nexus and was going to give my Bionic to my wife, but I'm definitely just selling it and getting her the RAZR. Why wouldn't I?

Your a good man lol

**gorgalis** · 10-18-2011, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by 2defmouze

Lol just wait... tonight the nexus announcement comes and we'll have a whole new round of whiners..

Also, and this is really a question.. Whats the big deal with Motocast? Aren't there enough syncing services we can use in addition to the Zumocast we all got on the bionic? I just don't see why that specifically should be an issue at all.

Haha you may find me in that crowd. I was waiting for the Nexus but dropped my BB and shattered the screen. I couldn't hold out another 2 months. Still love the Bionic though.

**beermanmike** · 10-18-2011, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by 2defmouze

Lol just wait... tonight the nexus announcement comes and we'll have a whole new round of whiners..

Also, and this is really a question.. Whats the big deal with Motocast? Aren't there enough syncing services we can use in addition to the Zumocast we all got on the bionic? I just don't see why that specifically should be an issue at all.

Motocast == Zumocast. They're in the process of upgrading/updating right now. There is a "mymotocast.com" website with broken links and the TOS uses Zumocast email for support questions. Motocast is a big update and rebrand of Zumocast in which i hope Bionic can get it and maybe even before the RAZR is out with it. If you check the pictures you can see the different interfaces between Motocast and Zumocast.

**onthewhole** · 10-18-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by dave1812dave

sigh....

Are you the same guy from the blackberry forums?

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**tkong** · 10-18-2011, 12:08 PM

Damn it! I just ordered my Bionic today!!

**doogald** · 10-18-2011, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by nickacs

Um, YES, considering my Bionic is a f-ing brick right now since the VZW data outage Sunday night. Yes, I would love to get rid of this POS and get something that actually is a smartphone and not just a calling device!

This affected all 4G devices, so the Razr would have been just as much a brick - just a thinner, longer, wider one. The thin is intriguing, but I think that the Bionic is too long and wide already.

Also super AMOLED so it may have readability issues in bright sunlight, though we'll see.

The upshot is that, with Android, there is always a better phone that will be out within a few months of your phone - better in many ways, though perhaps we overlook one or two drawbacks (i.e., the inability to sit down comfortably with the phone in your pocket.)

**JoJoCal19** · 10-18-2011, 12:12 PM

WOW!!! That's a d!ck move by Moto/Verizon. I genuinely feel bad for you guys

I was so close to getting one too. From what I can see the RAZR beats the Bionic in every area. Especially that screen, oh my. If they knew they were going to drop the RAZR that soon, they should have actually canned the Bionic altogether.

I'm also avoiding the iPhone 4S for the same reason. I have a good feeling that Apple is going to drop the iPhone 5 well before October. Probably back to releasing it in June.

**beermanmike** · 10-18-2011, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by tkong

Damn it! I just ordered my Bionic today!!

Return it and compare both the Bionic and the RAZR at the store and weigh the pros and cons.

**JoJoCal19** · 10-18-2011, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by 2defmouze

Lol how is saying I like my phone and am not going to freak out every time a new phone comes out, being a wet blanket?

And dave, weren't you and I discussing in another thread this exact conundrum, and if I'm not mistaken you were all for being happy with a great phone you have and not going nuts for the new thing?

In any case I'm only trying to make a small point, and just shake my head when about 1-3 times a week there's a new thread in here with someone ranting about a new phone and how unhappy they are to be stuck with the bionic. It's just so pointless. Whatever tho, no need to bicker, you guys can all lament all you like, obviously.

The BIG difference is this phone was also being worked on at the same time as the Bionic and released not even two months after the Bionic. It's basically what the Bionic should be and honestly if it was going to be released this soon they should have just scrapped the Bionic altogether. Why push the Bionic back by half a year and then release it, only to release one better right after you finally release it?

**effreyj** · 10-18-2011, 12:14 PM

The one thing about the Razr screen is that it's going to suck the battery life faster and not be as visible outside as the Bionic's. Also, it sounds like you can't pull the battery from the Razr.

**2defmouze** · 10-18-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by JoJoCal19

WOW!!! That's a d!ck move by Moto/Verizon. I genuinely feel bad for you guys

I was so close to getting one too. From what I can see the RAZR beats the Bionic in every area. Especially that screen, oh my. If they knew they were going to drop the RAZR that soon, they should have actually canned the Bionic altogether.

I'm also avoiding the iPhone 4S for the same reason. I have a good feeling that Apple is going to drop the iPhone 5 well before October. Probably back to releasing it in June.

I'm glad someone feels bad for me. Its hard having a great phone that I like so much. Woe is me.

lol

**JoJoCal19** · 10-18-2011, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by 2defmouze

I'm glad someone feels bad for me. Its hard having a great phone that I like so much. Woe is me.

lol

Well normally I don't play that game because yes, something better is going to come out. But not from the same manufacturer for the same carrier so soon after another one of their devices just came out. The Bionic is what, maybe a month and a half old? No phone manufacturer releases a better device for the same carrier in that short of a span.

**pandaxpres** · 10-18-2011, 12:23 PM

not really a big deal. the RAZR doesn't have hdmi out, and that's a must-have for me

**ninjataint** · 10-18-2011, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by JoJoCal19

Well normally I don't play that game because yes, something better is going to come out. But not from the same manufacturer for the same carrier so soon after another one of their devices just came out. The Bionic is what, maybe a month and a half old? No phone manufacturer releases a better device for the same carrier in that short of a span.

It was leaked before the bionic came out, so we all bought with that knowledge.

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**cjsmoove** · 10-18-2011, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by JoJoCal19

WOW!!! That's a d!ck move by Moto/Verizon. I genuinely feel bad for you guys

I was so close to getting one too. From what I can see the RAZR beats the Bionic in every area. Especially that screen, oh my. If they knew they were going to drop the RAZR that soon, they should have actually canned the Bionic altogether.

I'm also avoiding the iPhone 4S for the same reason. I have a good feeling that Apple is going to drop the iPhone 5 well before October. Probably back to releasing it in June.

......here we go....How so????

**hvalergir** · 10-18-2011, 12:34 PM

I'm happy i got the bionic over the RAZR for three reasons:

1. I use my phone so much that by the time i get home, im hovering at about 20-30% with an extended bionic battery, the 1700 mah non-removable of the RAZR would literally be a deal breaker for me.

2. Kejar31. Liberty ROM is coming to the Bionic very soon here. (Though i doubt it will take them long to get it to the RAZR)

3. I much prefer the Bionic screen to AMOLED. Really, after using it for a while and seeing a menagerie of different screen in comparison, i have really come to appreciate the advantages of the Bionic's pentile. The RAZR is going to have the same resolution, similar pentile matrix, but uses the buzzword for display technology, "AMOLED" regardless of who actually has ever seen or compared the two.

However for fairness sakes, i would have preferred the TI OMAP 4460 vs the 4430, not that the silicone is THAT different...

**ManBearPig618** · 10-18-2011, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by JoJoCal19

Well normally I don't play that game because yes, something better is going to come out. But not from the same manufacturer for the same carrier so soon after another one of their devices just came out. The Bionic is what, maybe a month and a half old? No phone manufacturer releases a better device for the same carrier in that short of a span.

This.

**gorgalis** · 10-18-2011, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by beermanmike

Motocast == Zumocast. They're in the process of upgrading/updating right now. There is a "mymotocast.com" website with broken links and the TOS uses Zumocast email for support questions. Motocast is a big update and rebrand of Zumocast in which i hope Bionic can get it and maybe even before the RAZR is out with it. If you check the pictures you can see the different interfaces between Motocast and Zumocast.

I figured this was the case since I recently saw they said uploading from your phone to a computer would soon be supported.

**JoJoCal19** · 10-18-2011, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by cjsmoove

......here we go....How so????

So I was slightly hyperbolistic, they have the same RAM and possibly the same exact camera sensor.

Proc: Razr 1.2Ghz > Bionic 1Ghz
Screen: Do we have to go there?
Battery & Battery Life: Razr 1800Mah and better battery life.
Razr has a new LTE modem. From what I've read about the newer LTE modems, they give faster speeds and consume less battery.
Razr is waterproof (to a degree)
Razr has MotoCast (although may come to Bionic)
Razr has a better chassis and materials.

**ManBearPig618** · 10-18-2011, 12:46 PM

I don't understand how a new phone from the same carrier and manufacturer doesn't lead to pissed offedness when it comes out less than two months after the "new flagship." As a Bionic owner, it sure as hell pisses me off. Why even release the Bionic when this was coming?

**Frankie15** · 10-18-2011, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by pandaxpres

not really a big deal. the RAZR doesn't have hdmi out, and that's a must-have for me

What do you call this?

I do agree this phone is not a HUGE deal. It would be if Verizon wasn't getting the Nexus. I think this phone will be forgotten once the Nexus is unveiled.

**JoJoCal19** · 10-18-2011, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by ManBearPig618

I don't understand how a new phone from the same carrier and manufacturer doesn't lead to pissed offedness when it comes out less than two months after the "new flagship." As a Bionic owner, it sure as hell pisses me off. Why even release the Bionic when this was coming?

That's what I'm saying. This isn't a case of something better coming out down the road as is usual. This was Moto saying "The Bionic is the baddest Android phone on Verizon's block! Come and get the best! Oh wait until a month and a half from now when we release something even better!"

Instead of doing the RIGHT THING, Moto kept on with the Bionic and decided to dump it to get back as much money as they could for what they've invested into the project. Good for shareholders I guess but really sh*tty to do to your customers. Many who are loyal Moto customers. This alone would put a bad taste in my mouth and keep me from ever giving them a dime. Sort of like I did with Samsung and their whole SGS GPSgate and Updategate.