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Old 07-30-2011, 05:05 AM
 
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PS - I am doing reset now and going to try 'google - straight' with the few apps that seem to work for me.

Damn launchers are cool but seem to burden the phone ...
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My Pre finally died after two years. Lack of WebOS support, new phones (where is Pre 3?) etc. from HP, Palm and Sprint forced me to switch to Android. Love my new Nexus S 4G. Great phone but sorry, WebOS is light years ahead of Android or iOS.

Several here mentioned how they didn't like being stuck with the WebOS launcher and how easy it is to customize on Android. WebOS is far easier to customize anyway you wish. Most homebrew tweeks no longer require rooting the Pre so easy even for the novice.

Is there an Android launcher that can wrap icon text to two lines rather than truncate at 6-8 characters or so? WebOS by default is two lines but tweeks could change the font size to help even more.
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Originally Posted by funkmeisterbrau View Post
my old palm pro rocking SPB Mobile Shell and win 6.1 was 'a better experience' for getting business done ...
I'm still rocking the SPB Mobile Shell on my Palm Treo Pro...reading through this guide getting ready to move to Android this week. At least SPB Mobile Shell is out now for Android, so the transition *should* be a little easier. (Had Pre & Pixi previously.)

I was also planning on getting the Nexus S 4G. However, I don't want to constantly be messing with my phone...I want to get it setup and have it just work. Threads like this make me nervous that's not going to happen.

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...I was also planning on getting the Nexus S 4G. However, I don't want to constantly be messing with my phone...I want to get it setup and have it just work. Threads like this make me nervous that's not going to happen.
The Nexus S is a Developer phone.

If spending a weekend trying to get something to work is your idea of heaven, the Nexus S is for you. If that would be the weekend from hell, this may not be the phone for you.

The Nexus S is a full out stripped down hot rod. No microSD, no HDMI, no Facebook Sync, no HD, no Notification LED, no Speed Dial, no Smart Dial, no Zoom, texts limited to 160 characters, no FM Radio, limited video formats, etc. It is for the tweaker who can't wait to get it home to put a new engine in it (ROM).

There are nice Nexus S Facebook, LED, microSD, Email, Text, & Camera Workarounds for 16 of the issues.

Check out the Phone Comparison for more on hardware. Also see the Vote for Sprint's best Android phone to see what other users are voting.
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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i would like to see a rom built for android devices because with all the termoil in the webos world (and the fact i held on my palm pre for 2+ years.... i was in line on day 1 june 12 2009)i had to go with the evo 3d. and since webos can now run on dual core devices i think with the right team (our loving and devoted homebrew community)we get this done with the quickness. i have seen amazing stuff come from these people with my pre. i prefer webos over android anyday. and i have flashed roms running on my 3d right now. so i see no reason why we cant get it up and running on any device. So lets get this going. and i know i will be more than willing to donate any time or money to get this happening.

im sure others out there are wanting the same thing to happen
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While I'm very happy with my unrooted Epic, here are a few things I miss from my day-one Pre:

1. The task manager. The writeup at the start of the thread recommends Itching Thumbs, Wave Launcher etc. The thing is, they're all just apps, and so when you press the Home button it needs to load the app if it isn't resident. If you do anything memory-hungry (Firefox, Angry Birds, etc.) your launcher gets terminated like any other app when the phone needs memory. My Epic has half a gig of RAM and I still have to wait 10 seconds for LauncherPro to restart after running Firefox, and Itching Thumbs was pretty much unusable. Android purists will say you don't need to see a thumbnail of a running app just like iPhone people used to say you didn't need to multitask on a phone. Well, we don't need to use smartphones at all, but we do, and I was really spoiled by the ability to flick back and forth between apps. It makes the long-press-Home switcher feel like Windows 3.1.

2. For that matter, the "automatically kill apps when you haven't used them in a while" feature is a great theory, but in practice it means that so much as bringing up the task manager will cause Firefox and other large programs to lose their state and reload from scratch, even if they're only using less than 10% of my phone's RAM. Yes, WebOS saying it was out of memory and I needed to close some cards was annoying, but at least I got to choose which apps got closed. And switching to another task to check something and back to the text message I'm writing only to find myself in a different conversation than I was in previously, because every app maintains state differently even when they're not terminated, has caused me a lot of embarrassment when I didn't notice.

3. Non-invasive Exchange support. My Palm Pre didn't have ActiveSync support, yet it was still able to connect and sync with my clients' Exchange servers without having to accept ActiveSync policies. I'm not going to give an Exchange server controlled by someone else the right to wipe my phone remotely when they didn't buy me the phone, so my only option for Exchange access on my Epic is OWA Light. "Sorry, I didn't get your email this morning because I only remembered to check OWA just now." I understand there are hacked versions of the mail client I can use when I root my phone, but my Pre did it before I even enabled homebrew on it.

4. If there are keyboard shortcuts for page up, page down, home and end in any of the popular browsers (stock, Dolphin Light, Miren, Firefox, Opera) I haven't found them yet.

5. A standardized keyboard layout. While the SSH and VNC options (which I use pretty much daily) are far more robust than those available on the Pre, the fact that every phone has different keys (or none at all) results in things like "Hold down the trackball for CTRL" (whose phone has a trackball anymore?) or "Press End Call for ESC" (I swore I'd never get another phone without a hangup button, but somehow I did). I got a patched version of ConnectBot that lets me use the useless Smiley button as a CTRL key, but other apps don't fare nearly as well. If I'm lucky, maybe

6. Interactive indicators. On the Pre, you could swipe down on the indicator bar to get the date, which wifi network you were connected to, etc. Alarms showed up as notifications, which was annoying at times because of the screen space used but often useful. On Android, wifi and alarm states are reported in the indicators, but to see what alarm is set or which network you're on, you have to go into settings menus, sometimes more than one level deep.

7. As others have noted, there's no OS-level screenshot facility, no way to silence the phone without turning on the screen (but at least I haven't had an alarm go off in the movie theater because WebOS alarms defaulted to not respecting silent mode),

There are so many things I like better on the Epic, even without having rooted it, that it seems almost silly to bring up these minor downsides. For example, just being able to run Firefox (and be able to scroll overflow: auto divs and iframes that seem to be used on more and more sites these days) makes my Epic twice the web browsing device my Pre was, and Android's voice recognition does a way better job than any of my PCs ever did without having to train it. But it hasn't been a 100% smooth transition. No doubt other power users have had their own issues to deal with, but I'm glad I got out of the WebOS downward spiral four months before it hit bottom, and I haven't even powered up my Pre since then.

I still hold out hope that HP will release WebOS as free software and allow Google to copy some of their design wins, but I'm not holding my breath.
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One thing to note about synergy that's different (for people coming from WebOS and might be confused as to why it's not working):

* In WebOS, if you have a "john Doe" on Exchange and a "John Doe" in Hotmail and a "John Doe" in your phone contacts (that were added from your last phone), it'll give you one entry in Contacts with all of them linked.

* In Android, although it syncs all those contacts with their servers, it does NOT link them. So you'll get:

"john Doe" - from Exchange
"John Doe" - from Hotmail
"John Doe" - from your phone
"[Only registered users can view links. ]" - also from Hotmail

If you want to link them, choose one of them in Contacts, hit the "Menu" button (looks like this: http://androidhelps.net/wp-content/u...-Menu-icon.jpg), choose "Edit", then hit the Menu button again and choose "Join" and then find the other contacts (one at a time)
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:27 AM
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I wish that we could find patches or hacks to boost the google flagship device the nexus s 4g because even though its a great phone some minor improvements could be made to it. As for switching over from webos i find that the device is different but similar, so downloading apps that mimic webos helps the transition
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Great thread....

I'm a soon to be webOS refugee. I bought the pixi (OK, it was free), but then the support for the device went away 2 months later. I bought a Touchpad on launch day (which I love).

So apparently I feel like the platform-kiss-of-death.

I dislike iSheeple, and BillyGates ware. So as I'm tiptoeeing into the android waters, this thread will be a huge help.

It seems like finding the right phone will be the biggest challenge. I'm not one for putting a big screen TV in my pocket, but it seems like those are the only ones spec'd. From what I'm reading, there is a cycle about to come out and waving in the IceCream version of android. Is that fact or crap?

I look forward to "homebrewing" the phone a bit too.....
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Old 08-22-2011, 12:18 PM
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And then check out the results!

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