Apple goes after Samsung....

**standog100** · 09-01-2012, 04:34 AM

Apple files another case against Samsung...guess who the judge is?It's Apple fangirl cough<paid> Lucy kohApple Adds Galaxy Note, Galaxy S3 to List of Targets in Samsung Patent Battle

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**zorak950** · 09-01-2012, 05:57 AM

Do you have any actual evidence that she's biased besides the fact she doesn't share your opinion?

**ab304945** · 09-01-2012, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by zorak950

Do you have any actual evidence that she's biased besides the fact she doesn't share your opinion?

seems like she is always the judge, And always sides with apple. Yet in most other countries apple looses.

Ry · 09-01-2012, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by zorak950

Do you have any actual evidence that she's biased besides the fact she doesn't share your opinion?

There is none. It's just **** hurt Android and Samsung fanboys that think of her in that manner.

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**zorak950** · 09-01-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by ab30494

seems like she is always the judge, And always sides with apple. Yet in most other countries apple looses.

Other countries have different laws, cultures, procedures, and precedents. Of course lawsuits have different outcomes depending where they're filed.

**standog100** · 09-01-2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by ab30494

seems like she is always the judge, And always sides with apple. Yet in most other countries apple looses.

Just wondering why Apple prefer her....

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**PookiePrancer** · 09-01-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by standog100

Just wondering why Apple prefer her....

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I think she's clueless anyway. First she said the Tab 10.1 didn't infringe. Then she changes her story when a higher court suggests she reconsider, and issues an injunction after all. Then, the jury tells her she's wrong again. What an *****.

Of course, this was the same jury that awarded millions to Apple for Samsung devices that DIDN'T infringe.

Bottom line is: Samsung never stood a chance in that court. They're fighting on Apple's home turf.

**JHBThree** · 09-03-2012, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by PookiePrancer

I think she's clueless anyway. First she said the Tab 10.1 didn't infringe. Then she changes her story when a higher court suggests she reconsider, and issues an injunction after all. Then, the jury tells her she's wrong again. What an *****.

When an appeals court remands a case to a lower court because they think you did something wrong, only an ***** would ignore them. The justices felt that Apple was likely to win in their claims against the Tab based on the evidence Apple gave in the appeal. THAT is the basis for an injunction. Since neither side gave their full case, that decision could change. Obviously, after hearing all the evidence, the jury disagreed.

Of course, this was the same jury that awarded millions to Apple for Samsung devices that DIDN'T infringe.

Its called an oversight. Let's see how you would do when going through 700 individual items without mistakes.

Bottom line is: Samsung never stood a chance in that court.

You're right, they didn't. With the volume and severity of the infringement, they're lucky it wasn't worse.

They're fighting on Apple's home turf.

Or, Android fans don't agree with the decisions of a court and a jury, and decide that since they disagree with them they are all 'idiots'. If the jury ruled in favor of Samsung, or the judge did as well, you would be singing her praises. Get real.

**gollum18** · 09-03-2012, 11:22 PM

Quote to the above post, it really wasn't a fair trial from the start, the community's economy depends on apple, **** them off and the whole thing goes up in smoke. It was clearly held so close to apples hq for a reason, of course the jury and judge was already biased in apples favor, Samsung didn't stand a chance from the start of the trial. Add in some blockhead, lead juror who forced the jury to rush the decision when it should have taken at least 3 days to come to a conclusive agreement and there you go.

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**JHBThree** · 09-03-2012, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by gollum18

Quote to the above post, it really wasn't a fair trial from the start, the community's economy depends on apple, **** them off and the whole thing goes up in smoke. It was clearly held so close to apples hq for a reason, of course the jury and judge was already biased in apples favor, Samsung didn't stand a chance from the start of the trial. Add in some blockhead, lead juror who forced the jury to rush the decision when it should have taken at least 3 days to come to a conclusive agreement and there you go.

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Why is it that every fanboy defaults to attacking the judge and jury? Is that at all productive?

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**ItnStln511** · 09-03-2012, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by ab30494

seems like she is always the judge, And always sides with apple. Yet in most other countries apple looses.

You make a great point.

**corydorcutt** · 09-04-2012, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by zorak950

Other countries have different laws, cultures, procedures, and precedents. Of course lawsuits have different outcomes depending where they're filed.

It's a little suspicious however, when only American courts seem to support the endeavors of a popular American corporation.

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**corydorcutt** · 09-04-2012, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by standog100

Apple files another case against Samsung...guess who the judge is?It's Apple fangirl cough Lucy kohApple Adds Galaxy Note, Galaxy S3 to List of Targets in Samsung Patent Battle

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Anyone who thinks that Koh was payed off is (in my opinion) a grumpy Android fanboy. A judge is not going to risk throwing away their career over a patent case. Biased, maybe. But not not certainly not payed.

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**JHBThree** · 09-04-2012, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by crackberrytraitor

Anyone who thinks that Koh was played off is (in my opinion) a grumpy Android fanboy. A judge is not going to risk throwing away their career over a patent case. Biased, maybe. But not not payed.

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She wasn't even biased. She granted as many Samsung motions as she did apple's. Heck, she denied a TON of apple's requests, but you rarely hear about that in these conversations.

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**corydorcutt** · 09-04-2012, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by JHBThree

She wasn't even biased. She granted as many Samsung motions as she did apple's. Heck, she denied a TON of apple's requests, but you rarely hear about that in these conversations.

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I can only put forward that she changed her opinion when under pressure to her reputation.

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**jonathanm1978** · 09-04-2012, 04:24 AM

Know what else isn't mentioned? That juror that told CNET that they decided Samsung was guilty on day one when they were given the internal emails. Or that lead juror, "jury foreman", that said Samsung was guilty because he was a patent holder himself and knew more than other jurors. That isn't about fanboy'ism or nothing else, is about a jury doing what's right and making their decision after hearing ALL the evidence. Not after day 1 of a three week trial. Shutting out facts that have surfaced against Apple because it's easier to say android users are "****-hurt" is just ignoring the truth on the matter. I wouldn't have anything to say if they hadn't made stupid comments to the press about deciding Samsung was guilty on the first day, and that guidelines it took legal teams three days to read only took a jury 3 days to decide on and read, something smells and it isn't ****-hurt android supporters.

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**Serial Fordicator** · 09-04-2012, 05:35 AM

How many people in the population has an iPhone? How many of the jurors had an iPhone? I think it has an impact, but even if the jurors had mostly android, it would have an effect the other way just like s3 android lovers are for Samsung and apple heads are for apple in the case.

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**jonathanm1978** · 09-04-2012, 06:00 AM

There is no way to get a truly unbiased decision with the patent system in shambles and USA being a mobile society. Even the supreme court can't give truly unbiased decisions in this, they are going to have cellular devices too, and it would be hard pressed to find someone who isn't in-touch with the mobile world. This trial was a media frenzy from the start, with people claiming that Apple was an American company when they had to bring in compliance groups to their Foxconn - China factory to investigate because people were killing themselves and living in dorms just to put the sacred iPhone together. How easy to forget that part because the most valuable company might lose some street cred.

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Ry · 09-04-2012, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by jonathanm1978

Know what else isn't mentioned? That juror that told CNET that they decided Samsung was guilty on day one when they were given the internal emails. Or that lead juror, "jury foreman", that said Samsung was guilty because he was a patent holder himself and knew more than other jurors. That isn't about fanboy'ism or nothing else, is about a jury doing what's right and making their decision after hearing ALL the evidence. Not after day 1 of a three week trial. Shutting out facts that have surfaced against Apple because it's easier to say android users are "****-hurt" is just ignoring the truth on the matter. I wouldn't have anything to say if they hadn't made stupid comments to the press about deciding Samsung was guilty on the first day, and that guidelines it took legal teams three days to read only took a jury 3 days to decide on and read, something smells and it isn't ****-hurt android supporters.

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"Guilty" from day one of the trial or "guilty" from day one of jury deliberations?

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**JHBThree** · 09-04-2012, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ry

"Guilty" from day one of the trial or "guilty" from day one of jury deliberations?

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Deliberations. Some people (not you) find that reading english is hard.

**JHBThree** · 09-04-2012, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by crackberrytraitor

I can only put forward that she changed her opinion when under pressure to her reputation.

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She didn't though, and that's what people fail to see. Her rulings were consistent throughout, to both Apple and Samsung. People actually following the trial were the first ones to shoot down any notion of Apple getting preferential treatment, and cited the sheer number of apple motions she denied before and during the trial.

**JHBThree** · 09-04-2012, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Serial Fordicator

How many people in the population has an iPhone? How many of the jurors had an iPhone? I think it has an impact, but even if the jurors had mostly android, it would have an effect the other way just like s3 android lovers are for Samsung and apple heads are for apple in the case.

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None had iPhones. Most had dumbphones, and most were LG, if I remember correctly. A few had Macs, but most had Windows PCs. (including the foreman)

This is a better interview of the foreman from the Guardian in the UK. (it puts all of the stories from US media to shame)