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    Default Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    HI, I am an iOS user looking to switch between Windows Phones and the Microsoft Ecosystem or the Google ecosystem. I am a knowledgable person, definitely not your typical iOS user. I am just now sick of Apple, and I want to make the switch. I had made the switch once to Android on an AWFUL phone- the HTC Inspire. It was laggy, had a crappy UI and had RANDOM reboots. So I switched back to iOS. But now, I want to make the switch to Android through the Nexus line, (Because it is most similar to iOS in terms of UI and updates) but I am afraid that Windows and Microsoft will do the same thing they have done throughout history and will sweep through, kill Android tablets quickly and then phones much later; causing me to have to switch to another platform with the best integration. A lot of writers have been saying W8 tablets will kill android on tablets back down to sub 300 dollar machines. I however think it might be the opposite way around. What do you guys think? To me, this makes my decision as I want the strongest platform to switch to . HELP!
    BTW, When I say w8 tablets killing android I mean because some will find them more "useful" than a typical "mobile os" tablet.
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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 & company kill Android?

    The short answer is no way.

    One reason is that iOS and MS are closed up systems where as Android is open so there will always be developer support.

    Next, MS is no real threat at this point. They will get their share no doubt, but I really do not see them as a threat.

    If you go just on the strength of the platform, you cannot go wrong with any of them. Each have their own strengths. MS has windows behind it. Apple is the richest company with a lot behind their products. Android has Google and a bunch off OEMs behind it. Apple and Android has great community and developer support which leads to tons of apps. MS is lagging behind, but I am sure they will catch up

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    The android community it growing so rabidly...I mean that rabidly and pretty soon I have a strong feeling android is going to become os independent is meaning we wont need a computer to develop roms you can already use android to write and compile programs in Java,c,c++,python,Ruby, plus more

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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 & company kill Android?

    Doubtful. It might take BB's place in the smartphone market and develop a big following of it's own but a threat to Android? Doubtful with the growth Android has managed in such a short time.
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    I think you guys understatemate MS big time. Being "open" it does not mean Android it will magiclly sell more, open or close does not really matter as long as you can develop software for it and microsoft is same liberal as Google, so open is not really importent to make system better.... the software libery is. Desktop Linux is totaly open but it can't even beat OS X, why? It does not have access to software that there Windows and OS X has, you instal Linux..... and still keeping Windows on disk, which is only a scar for Linux for failing in this matter

    W8 oen huge advantage that iOS and Android in current state can only dream off, it can run x86 where the system is practicly king already and all software made for Windows will work or x86 machines + Metro apps made x86 will work in ARM (if they made in .NET?). Other advantage is fact that Windows ruling laptop market for long time and from that place it's short way to tablet+laptop hybrids, all those x86 laptops may create all ARM Android hybrids inrelevent with there limited possibilities and software libery compire to Windows.

    Thats why i think MS did most genius idea they ever made, use power they already have to go againts Android and iOS on tablet market. W8 has just relesed so it will take time until we see real results.

    But yes on phones both iOS and Android can feel safe, Windows come late to the party and they need to do a lot of catch up
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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 & company kill Android?

    I don't think anything will "kill" Android. It's a terrific OS and Google is an amazing ecosystem. I've spent time with Windows Phone 8, and can tell you that it's pretty impressive. It's about 90 percent of where it needs to be. I think if MS can push out that last 10% in a timely manner, they have a real chance at being a solid #3 in the mobile OS game. As far as Windows 8, and Windows 8 RT, there is no comparison. MS has a superior product for a power user when compared to the iPad and any Android tablet out there. If media consumption is your only use of a tablet, then it comes down to personal preference, but if you actually want to use your tablet as a laptop replacement, a Windows 8 tablet is a no brainer. Even on my Surface RT, I can get more work done than on any other tablet. What MS lacks right now is the rabid fanbase that is present in say, Apple products. Once they get past the paid reviewer's/critics/fanboy blogger's that swear Apple is the second coming, and people actually use their products (more than 10 seconds in a store and say "oh, it's different, I don't like it cause I don't know how to use it yet"), they will see great success.
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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    Comparing windows to Linux is not a great analogy here. As a desktop OS, Windows was already the leader by a wide margin before Linux started really trying.

    They will settle in around 20% market share, rim will go the way of Palm and android and iOS will divy up whatever is left

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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    Comparing windows to Linux is not a great analogy here. As a desktop OS, Windows was already the leader by a wide margin before Linux started really trying.
    Which only proofs my point
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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 & company kill Android?

    But the issue is do you think consumers would rather have a Microsoft Surface or a Nexus 10? Because until Surface has a good bit more apps; whos going to want it at that price?
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    The thing with the x86 platform android wont hurt at all their already is a x86 version of android
    Also I'm a firm believer that the closed source model is what's killing blackberry. Ms has the the money and talent to keep up but this open source FREE platform is taking Ms to the battlefield and definitely giving them a run for its money ...I grew up on Ms ie dos/windows but as long as android is open source ill back android all the way

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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    Architecture does not really matter, it's transparent for user, but it effects availability if system use native apps and even with java selection on Android which will work on anything (even outside Android), it won't beat selection on desktops Windows. Ofcorse it won't kill Android but it gonna make harder for both Android and iOS if MS will push laptop market to hybrid direction.... but as i said we will need to wait for results, there always something unpredictable
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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    I don't know, but I hope they get some kind of success. Watching them fall on their faces every time they try to break back into the mobile market is getting pretty sad.

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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    Anyone hear the rumors of Nokia maybe pushing for any android phone?....I think that would be crazy if they dropped WP do to slow progression but who knows its all speculation.

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    Hi I am switching from iOS too my Xperia S was shocking on 2.3.7 but quite nice on 4.0.4.

    I recommend Nexus devices only as you get really pure OS experiences and coming from Apple that's what we like, to experience the full OS.

    As for Microsoft I think they have still a few years ahead of them to catch up if they even can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nube_android View Post
    But the issue is do you think consumers would rather have a Microsoft Surface or a Nexus 10? Because until Surface has a good bit more apps; whos going to want it at that price?
    I have a laptop so Nexus is nice and I wouldn't want some weird hybrid thing from Microsoft and Android is innovative.

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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    Well Microsoft is going to be releasing a revamped surface in the coming months. So the originals will probably drop in price.

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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    Androidís market share grew to 53.7% by the end of November 2012, while windows 8 only have 3.6% percentage.And no signs of slowing down, So obviously android is the winner.
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    I see more windows 8/rt tablets than android on ces ; p
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    Default Re: Odp: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    I doubt it will even create a flow in the tablet market. MS has never been able to make a decent tablet at an reasonable price point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anjali_jain View Post
    I doubt it will even create a flow in the tablet market. MS has never been able to make a decent tablet at an reasonable price point.
    Ms wont be one makeing tablets.
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    Yes, it will, and here is why:
    Microsoft has a lot of services as compared to Google. Google is no where near to provide services like xbox or office, it is these strengths of MS that will lead to WPs success. I know it will not happen over night, but down the road probably 6 or 7 years later maybe.
    Microsoft plays a very tricky game where it lasts better than its rivals. We know people use Windows in Offices, We know millions play XBOX, we know Microsoft Office is still unmatched when it comes to business. The fact is, with these services combined into a smartphone OS Microsoft has at least guaranteed that a fixed amount of people WILL buy into WP and shift to the One Microsoft platform. And I don't see any Google alternative to these. Google can use Youtube for its defence but a billion apps alone are not enough to save it against the might WP is going to become.
    Now hear me out before lashing out about the might of WP. I didn't mean in terms of market share. I meant that WP has different kernel than Android, its in fact the same as the Windows RT. that gives them a whole lot of room to do things which are not possible on Android. Like streaming XBOX games to your Lumia 520 from the cloud (they did it in an internal conference) such things are only possible on WP and are sure gonna win lots of users.
    Anyways, I have always loved Android, I love how it manages its home screens. Kinda wish that it was on WP too
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    When my laptop dies, I would get a Windows replacement tablet/keyboard combo mainly because I use industry software that is not available in any other OS format. I do think Windows will maintain its presence. Maybe not like how they did in past, but still will be a strong competitor. Look at cars, many manufacturers with their own niche and competitive offerings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Mubashir View Post
    Yes, it will, and here is why:
    Microsoft has a lot of services as compared to Google. Google is no where near to provide services like xbox or office, it is these strengths of MS that will lead to WPs success. I know it will not happen over night, but down the road probably 6 or 7 years later maybe.
    Microsoft plays a very tricky game where it lasts better than its rivals. We know people use Windows in Offices, We know millions play XBOX, we know Microsoft Office is still unmatched when it comes to business. The fact is, with these services combined into a smartphone OS Microsoft has at least guaranteed that a fixed amount of people WILL buy into WP and shift to the One Microsoft platform. And I don't see any Google alternative to these. Google can use Youtube for its defence but a billion apps alone are not enough to save it against the might WP is going to become.
    Now hear me out before lashing out about the might of WP. I didn't mean in terms of market share. I meant that WP has different kernel than Android, its in fact the same as the Windows RT. that gives them a whole lot of room to do things which are not possible on Android. Like streaming XBOX games to your Lumia 520 from the cloud (they did it in an internal conference) such things are only possible on WP and are sure gonna win lots of users.
    Anyways, I have always loved Android, I love how it manages its home screens. Kinda wish that it was on WP too
    I have a ps3 lol.

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    Default Re: Will Windows 8 (tabs and phones) kill Android?

    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Mubashir View Post
    Yes, it will, and here is why:
    Microsoft has a lot of services as compared to Google. Google is no where near to provide services like xbox or office, it is these strengths of MS that will lead to WPs success. I know it will not happen over night, but down the road probably 6 or 7 years later maybe.
    Microsoft plays a very tricky game where it lasts better than its rivals. We know people use Windows in Offices, We know millions play XBOX, we know Microsoft Office is still unmatched when it comes to business. The fact is, with these services combined into a smartphone OS Microsoft has at least guaranteed that a fixed amount of people WILL buy into WP and shift to the One Microsoft platform. And I don't see any Google alternative to these. Google can use Youtube for its defence but a billion apps alone are not enough to save it against the might WP is going to become.
    Now hear me out before lashing out about the might of WP. I didn't mean in terms of market share. I meant that WP has different kernel than Android, its in fact the same as the Windows RT. that gives them a whole lot of room to do things which are not possible on Android. Like streaming XBOX games to your Lumia 520 from the cloud (they did it in an internal conference) such things are only possible on WP and are sure gonna win lots of users.
    Anyways, I have always loved Android, I love how it manages its home screens. Kinda wish that it was on WP too
    I would disagree with much of what you have said. Google does have a rival to Office and it's free. Google Docs is a great solution for many people. Businesses may need something like Office but I don't think that this alone can help MS win the mobile wars. Many also question what the lifespan of gaming devices like xbox and ps will be. If anything Apple demonstrated that these markets are not out of its reach. iPhone and iPad are important reasons for the significant dip in the market. Google only further added to their problems.

    I also feel like you're looking at this from a application perspective and the sense I get that this is less and less of a factor. Despite lacking a version of Office for the longest time, tablets still gained market share. Does the average users really care? I think not.

    I'd argue given that the OS is becoming less and less a factor, as many applications run across platforms, MS Windows is at risk of losing out to iOS, Chrome and Linux over time. Look at what Apple has done with the latest Macbook Air. It runs a scaled up version of iOS and is hugely popular. I'm not a fan but I can't deny what they have accomplished. I'm and Android and Windows supporter but I don't fear for Google. Unlike Blackberry, they don't sit back and watch the competition close the gap before they decide to do something. They are constantly developing new technologies but more importantly buying start-ups with great ideas. In the last few years they have bought over 50 small tech firms. They have huge cash reserves which gives them an advantage.

    I don't wish MS any ill will but I think they need something far more innovative to even begin to approach Apple and Google. Like another said, they will claim and maintain third spot with little effort but beyond that it will be a real uphill challenge.

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