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    Default Fragmentation sucks

    Just noticed the article on the front page of AC re: Photosphere and whether or not OEM's will have access to the feature. It reminded me of the fragmentation problem in Android, which has been bothering me for some time now.

    To be perfectly honest, I am very annoyed with the fragmentation in Android phones. Every quarter, there is a hot new feature announced. And, there is always a footnote to each and every announcement: "Oh, it's not available to YOU."

    Sure, wireless carriers are partly to blame for this. OEM manufacturers are also to blame. As a customer, though, I am not interested in who I should blame for the fragmentation -- I am only interested in who will fix the fragmentation problem, and when!?!
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    You need to get yourself a Nexus device. No need to worry about fragmentation.
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    There's almost always an App to give you the "OEM-exclusive" stuff.
    "There's an App for that" IMO applies more to Android than iPhone...now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett92C View Post
    You need to get yourself a Nexus device. No need to worry about fragmentation.
    Or buy an iPhone, and be subject to the same limitations and aging design as every other iPhone user. At least it's not "fragmented."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett92C View Post
    You need to get yourself a Nexus device. No need to worry about fragmentation.
    I never cared for Verizon's Nexus. The latest Nex is a GSM phone, and I have 4 lines on a CDMA network (Verizon).

    I am getting prepared to root my current phone, but devs still haven't quite nailed down Jelly Bean for my device.

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    Or buy an iPhone, and be subject to the same limitations and aging design as every other iPhone user. At least it's not "fragmented."
    One of the lines on my account is an iPhone 5. It has Google's Maps & turn-by-turn navigation - something I always felt was a huge advantage for Android, and I naively thought would NEVER be ported to iOS. The iPhone 5 has Google Search with voice response -- my Android doesn't. I'm willing to bet that Google & Apple will figure out a way to get Google Now-like features into iOS. Sure, it may not look or behave exactly like Now does on an Android device, but the convenience of Now (predictive information!) could eventually end up on iOS. iOS device users as far back as what -- 2 years or more -- will get the updates, too.

    My point is that eventually iOS users will have a better Google experience than 70% of the Android phones out there.

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    I would love to see wireless carriers get out of the 'phone experience' business. The carriers ought to have only two responsibilities: build & manage networks. What devices we connect to that network should be OUR decision. We, the consumer, can man up and take full responsibility for our devices. If it stops working, we fix it, find a repair shop or replace it ourselves.

    If that happened, either 1) OEM's would finally be allowed to push updates more freely, or 2) perhaps new OEM's, who handle updates more appropriately, would form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBolt View Post
    I never cared for Verizon's Nexus. The latest Nex is a GSM phone, and I have 4 lines on a CDMA network (Verizon).
    Oh, didn't know you were on Verizon. I guess you're stuck with non-Nexus devices (VZW Gnex doesn't count).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanhoj View Post
    There's almost always an App to give you the "OEM-exclusive" stuff.
    "There's an App for that" IMO applies more to Android than iPhone...now.
    Those apps rarely perform as well as the original feature. Out of curiously, which app mimics Google Now?
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    As long as Android remains open, you'll always see fragmentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBolt View Post
    My point is that eventually iOS users will have a better Google experience than 70% of the Android phones out there.
    Maybe, maybe not. Even if they do, the masses probably won't care too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBolt View Post
    I never cared for Verizon's Nexus. The latest Nex is a GSM phone, and I have 4 lines on a CDMA network (Verizon).

    I am getting prepared to root my current phone, but devs still haven't quite nailed down Jelly Bean for my device.



    One of the lines on my account is an iPhone 5. It has Google's Maps & turn-by-turn navigation - something I always felt was a huge advantage for Android, and I naively thought would NEVER be ported to iOS. The iPhone 5 has Google Search with voice response -- my Android doesn't. I'm willing to bet that Google & Apple will figure out a way to get Google Now-like features into iOS. Sure, it may not look or behave exactly like Now does on an Android device, but the convenience of Now (predictive information!) could eventually end up on iOS. iOS device users as far back as what -- 2 years or more -- will get the updates, too.

    My point is that eventually iOS users will have a better Google experience than 70% of the Android phones out there.
    And that's what Google wants. Google wants users using Google services, regardless of platform. Google's core business is not Android.


    Quote Originally Posted by TBolt View Post
    I would love to see wireless carriers get out of the 'phone experience' business. The carriers ought to have only two responsibilities: build & manage networks. What devices we connect to that network should be OUR decision. We, the consumer, can man up and take full responsibility for our devices. If it stops working, we fix it, find a repair shop or replace it ourselves.

    If that happened, either 1) OEM's would finally be allowed to push updates more freely, or 2) perhaps new OEM's, who handle updates more appropriately, would form.
    You can blame carriers all you want. But OEMs are just as guilty. Samsung wants you have a Samsung experience. HTC wants you to have an HTC experience. Motorola wants you to have a Motorola experience.

    Again. Beauty of Android. Anyone can take it and make what they want out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBolt View Post
    My point is that eventually iOS users will have a better Google experience than 70% of the Android phones out there.
    That is how Google makes money. Google gives Android away for free. When you plunk down the cash for that new phone Google gets exactly zero dollars from the transaction (with the except on Nexus devices but I'd be willing to wager that Google is selling them at a loss). Microsoft makes more from that transaction than Google. Google makes money when you use their services. So it would be in their best interest to have as many users as possible on as many platforms as possible.
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    I know this is an old thread but...our only way to avoid fragmentation is to get a nexus device or an iphone. Is that correct?
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    Its not the only way to avoid fragmentation but it is the most hassle free way. The other option is can always root and start using custom ROMs like Cyanogen or AOKP to stay update on Android but it can be a hassle to maintain.

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    When T-Mobile gets their 4G footprint built up, I think they will offer the best cure for fragmentation. Bring your own Nexus or iPhone, or make payments on one you buy from them.

    I suppose BlackBerry & Windows phones are other ways to beat Android fragmentation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sting7k View Post
    That is how Google makes money. Google gives Android away for free. When you plunk down the cash for that new phone Google gets exactly zero dollars from the transaction (with the except on Nexus devices but I'd be willing to wager that Google is selling them at a loss). Microsoft makes more from that transaction than Google. Google makes money when you use their services. So it would be in their best interest to have as many users as possible on as many platforms as possible.
    When a family member got the iPhone 5, I was surprised that yea ... Google honestly does not give a damn about Android's competitiveness against other platforms. That iPhone has or will get most of Google's services. She'll have Google Now before me (well, I rooted to get it & yes, it was a PITA).


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    Quote Originally Posted by TBolt View Post
    When T-Mobile gets their 4G footprint built up, I think they will offer the best cure for fragmentation. Bring your own Nexus or iPhone, or make payments on one you buy from them.

    I suppose BlackBerry & Windows phones are other ways to beat Android fragmentation.


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    Oh OK. I may end up switching to T-Mobile being since I'll have to pay for my phone on own by then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    Or buy an iPhone, and be subject to the same limitations and aging design as every other iPhone user. At least it's not "fragmented."
    Haha this is definitely true. New features for the iPhone:
    Auxiliary jack is now on bottom of the phone.
    You can now have another row of apps.
    We are still charging you up the *** for the phone.

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