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    Default Nsa operation PRISM, spying on us through phones and providers

    So today's news is the NSA has been not only looking into our phone records, but also through 9 internet providers including Google. My question is since we have Android phones, has all of our information been compromised since Google basically controls email and all the information that runs through most of our phones since 2009!

    If Google has been giving them information on Gmail accounts where they can basically watch you type your email if you're on Gmail and watches your thoughts actually form. This was a report I just saw on CNN. I really want to know if everything that goes through our phones since its main company Google has been giving information or allowing the NSA to literally tap into our information has all of our information and given over to the government!

    I can't wait till google has some sort of response on this. Apple, Google, aol, Yahoo , Facebook, msn, Microsoft and others have some explaining to do. I understand it's part of the Patriot Act that allows the government to basically do whatever they want, and not that I do anything wrong, but I don't know if I like the idea of information that can be abused being available for abuse!
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    You need to understand Google and the others have no choice. Others are sluts and quickly give it up. But Google holds their feet to the fire better than any company any where
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    I live in Europe and this week I find out that the US government, which I do not even have the power to vote for, has been spying on me and has access to all my private data because it's the law in the US that google needs to give it to them?

    friedtators, if it becomes the law in China that every search engine offering services to the Chinese needs to give the Chinese government all data collected worldwide, you would be fine with Google being their b?tch and surrendering your private info to a foreign government too?

    I'm outraged at the whole situation, I got my first smartphone this year and it will be my last one.
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    It is no different than any other data collecting job for them. They can check your bank records, job history etc. with court orders.

    Why does anybody think that this wouldn't have happened after the patriot act was put into motion. First the guns, then the information.

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    In the Year 2000, 60 minutes did a episode on the NSA Echelon program which was spying on communications back in the 90s.

    We just have more information now about these programs existence. Nothing has change over the years and nothing is going to change.

    You should be more scared that advertisers know just as much about you as the Federal Government.
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    To the OP: of course thats what it means. The US gov't can get whatever they want, whenever they want. The only time they actually bother to get a warrant is if they want to use the info in court. But, why do you try someone when you can just send a drone to shot a cruise missile up their arse?

    Don't for a minute think that Apple and all the others aren't doing the exact same thing.

    Geez, and all my friends and co-workers thought I was nuts because I don't want to put all of my information "on the cloud"; and because I still write checks and won't bank through my smart phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friedtators View Post
    Others are sluts and quickly give it up. But Google holds their feet to the fire better than any company any where
    According to wikipedia (PRISM (surveillance program) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) it appears Twitter was the only company giving some resistance. Google, Micro$oft and the others bent over at the first glance and allowed their users to get shafted without any resistance. "Don't be evil", lmao.
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    Honestly no one should really be surprised this is happening.... Especially with everything that's been happening... Google as well as others lied by saying they wouldn't take full part in this when in fact they do

    It doesn't bother me too much as I have nothing to hide, but what bothers me is not knowing exactly what they are doing with the information

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    I have nothing to hide. But î don't blindly believe what is reported. I still believe they offer the most resistance. They cover more data. Twitter is tiny.
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    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarishK View Post
    In the Year 2000, 60 minutes did a episode on the NSA Echelon program which was spying on communications back in the 90s.

    We just have more information now about these programs existence. Nothing has change over the years and nothing is going to change.

    You should be more scared that advertisers know just as much about you as the Federal Government.


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    To anyone that actually follows the news and can "connect the dot", you might remember a little program called "Total Information Awareness" that was supposedly "scrapped" a few years ago. Guess what...they just changed the name...hello PRISM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

    Have people really become that brainwashed that they are en masse buy into the "nothing to hide" mantra. We used to have a saying called "its none of your business." The whole point of the U.S. 4th amendment is to protect people who have "nothing to hide." But, I suppose its not surprising when an entire generation of our population posts about what color their **** was on facebook everyday and willingly allows government goons to touch their genitals in order to travel more conveniently. These are the same "useful idiots" that willingly CHEERED "USA.USA" to the Boston police and Mass. Nat'l guard after they locked down an entire city, conducted warrant-less door-to-door searches, ordered people out of their homes at gunpoint, and paraded around in tanks on the city streets. But hey...they needed to catch a badguy and keep everyone "safe", so whatever it takes, right?

    I guess that cheesy line from Star Wars III was spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by former_droid_user View Post
    I live in Europe and this week I find out that the US government, which I do not even have the power to vote for, has been spying on me and has access to all my private data because it's the law in the US that google needs to give it to them?

    friedtators, if it becomes the law in China that every search engine offering services to the Chinese needs to give the Chinese government all data collected worldwide, you would be fine with Google being their b?tch and surrendering your private info to a foreign government too?

    I'm outraged at the whole situation, I got my first smartphone this year and it will be my last one.
    So you"re not using a computer or a dumb phone either? Or use a credit or ATM card? Short of living like a caveman, there is nothing you can do really. You've been spied on your entire life. You just didn't realize it.
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    These companies are required by law to give the gov't anything they want provided the proper legal channels are followed. The NSA don't have warrantless access to the entire database of these companies. They can get warrantless access to specific users they're targeting however under all of the anti terrorism laws introduced since 9/11. They can also get warrantless access to non US citizens (I think). If the NSA do provide legal orders though, it does appear from the most recent news yesterday that they can access very large and broad chunks of those companies' databases. But either way there simply isn't just a free and open 24/7 access to the entire databases of these companies.

    As for "Don't be evil", don't be naive. Twitter's public posturing is just that - posturing. If the gov't wants the exact same access to them that they get from anyone else, guess what happens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rule9 View Post
    These companies are required by law to give the gov't anything they want provided the proper legal channels are followed.
    No, these companies are required to follow EU laws when operating from within the European Union. Those laws put limits on the collection of personal data and explicitly prohibit the data to be sent outside of the EU. Google broke the law and violated my privacy. I couldn't care less if the US government demanded it from them, Europe is not a state within the US, their laws don't apply here. Google violated the law, they should face legal consequences and they have shown they are a company that refuses to play by the rules and should therefor not be trusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by former_droid_user View Post
    No, these companies are required to follow EU laws when operating from within the European Union. Those laws put limits on the collection of personal data and explicitly prohibit the data to be sent outside of the EU. Google broke the law and violated my privacy. I couldn't care less if the US government demanded it from them, Europe is not a state within the US, their laws don't apply here. Google violated the law, they should face legal consequences and they have shown they are a company that refuses to play by the rules and should therefor not be trusted.
    I'm not disagreeing with you but that's another facet for the EU courts to decide. I was speaking of inside the US
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    Quote Originally Posted by former_droid_user View Post
    No, these companies are required to follow EU laws when operating from within the European Union. Those laws put limits on the collection of personal data and explicitly prohibit the data to be sent outside of the EU. Google broke the law and violated my privacy. I couldn't care less if the US government demanded it from them, Europe is not a state within the US, their laws don't apply here. Google violated the law, they should face legal consequences and they have shown they are a company that refuses to play by the rules and should therefor not be trusted.
    Actually, those laws specifically don't apply for programs like PRISM. Things that are related to national security are exempt. What you are you referring to only applies to corporate use.

    As for me, I'm not too concerned at the moment, because we know so little. (Besides that PRISM was mainly used outside the US, and that the phone info was a bit limited) I do have concerns any time programs of this breadth are instituted, but I also would like to wait until we have more information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBThree View Post
    Actually, those laws specifically don't apply for programs like PRISM. Things that are related to national security are exempt. What you are you referring to only applies to corporate use.
    I seriously doubt the EU laws forbidding data to be sent overseas would make an exception if those data were intended for storage by a foreign intelligence agency to spy on EU nationals. What I assume you are referring to is that in the US it is not illegal to gather data from people outside of the US, which like I said I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FVCK ABOUT BECAUSE I DO NOT LIVE IN THE US WHICH MEANS THEIR LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO ME (sorry for the caps but the Bold doesn't seem to work). I live in the EU, a company operating here has to follow EU laws, which explicitly forbid sending my personal data overseas, let alone straight into the data center of a foreign government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by former_droid_user View Post
    I seriously doubt the EU laws forbidding data to be sent overseas would make an exception if those data were intended for storage by a foreign intelligence agency to spy on EU nationals. What I assume you are referring to is that in the US it is not illegal to gather data from people outside of the US, which like I said I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FVCK ABOUT BECAUSE I DO NOT LIVE IN THE US WHICH MEANS THEIR LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO ME (sorry for the caps but the Bold doesn't seem to work). I live in the EU, a company operating here has to follow EU laws, which explicitly forbid sending my personal data overseas, let alone straight into the data center of a foreign government.
    Read what I wrote again. I was specifically talking about PRISM in Europe. No European privacy laws protect you in a matter such as this. As a matter of fact, given the level of cooperation between the EU and US, as well as individual EU member states, this activity is most certainly allowed by European law.

    You are talking about civilian/corporate privacy laws, which do not apply in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBThree View Post
    No European privacy laws protect you in a matter such as this. As a matter of fact, given the level of cooperation between the EU and US, as well as individual EU member states, this activity is most certainly allowed by European law.
    I'm assuming you're just making stuff up now, if not I'd like to see a source.

    Europeans call for answers over U.S. web spying allegations — Tech News and Analysis
    The UK Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) has also weighed in now:

    “There are real issues about the extent to which U.S. law enforcement agencies can access personal data of UK and other European citizens. Aspects of U.S. law under which companies can be compelled to provide information to U.S. agencies potentially conflict with European data protection law, including the UK’s own Data Protection Act.
    Europeans call for answers over U.S. web spying allegations — Tech News and Analysis
    Sophie in 't Veld, a Dutch Member of European Parliament who helped draft the EU's strict data protection laws, told the Daily Dot.

    "In principle EU law does not allow for data to be transferred to the US. Companies often find themselves caught between two jurisdictions. They usually prefer to comply with US law, rather than EU law. This way US law effectively takes precedence over EU law, even on EU territory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by former_droid_user View Post
    I will say it again (for the third time, since you have ignored it): European data protection laws do not apply to data shared for national security purposes. That data is not subject to the same restrictions. (If you're looking for specifics, look for the Data retention directive from 2006) Perhaps they will close the 'loophole' and stop it, but as it stands right now there is absolutely nothing standing in the way of that data being transferred.

    If you want to be outraged, be outraged at the European leadership for failing to hammer out jurisdiction issues that are resulting in these companies defaulting to the laws of their home countries.

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    Due to the nature of the Internet, which doesn't stop at arbitrary country borders, the only way you can insure information does not spill over outside your borders, is to only communicate with people inside those borders. You can talk about different laws in different countries all you want, but let's take Google for example....if you using a Google product, and U.S. law requires one thing, but another country requires the exact opposite, how do you resolve that? If you are chatting or emailing someone in the U.S., is only one side of the data stream supposed to be sifted through? The more people and countries involved in the conversation, the more complex things get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GadgetGator View Post
    Due to the nature of the Internet, which doesn't stop at arbitrary country borders, the only way you can insure information does not spill over outside your borders, is to only communicate with people inside those borders. You can talk about different laws in different countries all you want, but let's take Google for example....if you using a Google product, and U.S. law requires one thing, but another country requires the exact opposite, how do you resolve that? If you are chatting or emailing someone in the U.S., is only one side of the data stream supposed to be sifted through? The more people and countries involved in the conversation, the more complex things get.
    Which is where the EU has failed. They have never addressed jurisdiction when it comes to things like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrawDroid View Post
    Wow, that's really horrible! Today's news is "Chinese Android phones has spyware" This kind of built-in spy software can steal lots of private info on the smartphone. For a legal use, some secure cell phone spy software can only be put into the cell phones by someone who has a authorized access to the phone.
    A sobering revelation for all the people who think the One +1 phone will be a great deal?
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    I love that Windows Phone actually hasn't been hit by a lot of the NSA related programs. Sure, you can argue that it's too small. That was the case in the CIQ days but I will take that.
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