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    Default Why is rooting so hard?

    Or to rephrase the question, why do manufacturers make it so hard?

    I am under the impression that the phone I bought from the carrier is my phone. Therefore I should be able to put any android version (ROM) on it I see fit. Why can't I? I read somewhere (not sure if I could find it again) that it is in fact legal to root and flash phones. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    And than there are cases like the RAZR M 98.18.94 update that made it impossible to root. Does Motorola actually have the right to prevent me from rooting?

    Sorry for the rant and whine, but I really like CM and would like to use it on my RAZAR M, but since I have above stated system version, I can't and it makes me angry.
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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by ckn71 View Post
    Or to rephrase the question, why do manufacturers make it so hard?

    I am under the impression that the phone I bought from the carrier is my phone. Therefore I should be able to put any android version (ROM) on it I see fit. Why can't I? I read somewhere (not sure if I could find it again) that it is in fact legal to root and flash phones. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    And than there are cases like the RAZR M 98.18.94 update that made it impossible to root. Does Motorola actually have the right to prevent me from rooting?

    Sorry for the rant and whine, but I really like CM and would like to use it on my RAZAR M, but since I have above stated system version, I can't and it makes me angry.
    Nothing is impossible. It just may be really hard to do. The phone is not your phone until you finish your contract unfortunately. Also, flashing a rom voids your warranty :P
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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    It's because you bought a Motorola, they are owned by Google now but their phones still aren't as open. Manufacturers and carriers purposefully make it hard with things like locked bootloader and s-off.

    There is no way Verizon and AT&T or even manufacturers (Apple) wants you to install custom rom, its their ecosystem. They want you to use their software and services, that way they have control, such as preventing you from tethering without paying extra or force you to use a certain service. Verizon for example didn't allow Google Wallet to work on the Galaxy Nexus.

    If you buy a Nexus, you can do anything to it without restrictions (Just not Verizon Galaxy Nexus). Second choice would be to get Google Edition devices or Oppo phones which allow users to install CyanogenMod on their phones.
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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by ckn71 View Post
    Or to rephrase the question, why do manufacturers make it so hard?

    I am under the impression that the phone I bought from the carrier is my phone. Therefore I should be able to put any android version (ROM) on it I see fit. Why can't I? I read somewhere (not sure if I could find it again) that it is in fact legal to root and flash phones. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    And than there are cases like the RAZR M 98.18.94 update that made it impossible to root. Does Motorola actually have the right to prevent me from rooting?

    Sorry for the rant and whine, but I really like CM and would like to use it on my RAZAR M, but since I have above stated system version, I can't and it makes me angry.
    Because most customers are going to end up going to the manufacturer or the carrier for support when they mess up their device, particularly a more inexpensive device like the Razr M that is more likely to end up in les tech saavy users hands (not to say that you aren't tech saavy). That is why rooting your phone usually voids the warranty. Manufacturers don't want to make it easy to void your warranty. It really boils down to buying a device that suits your needs. If rooting and ROMing is important to you, you should buy a phone that will be easy to do that with, like a Nexus, Google Play Edition, or Developer Edition. Mid-range phones will continue to be more locked down because they will generally end up in the hands of less tech saavy users who appriciate a locked down, safe, easy to use device.
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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Rooting isn't really hard if you properly educate yourself on the terminology behind it and also the associated tools required to achieve root. Each device or OEM differs in the way its achieved.

    As for it being legal ?

    On behalf of the carriers like Verizon, AT &T , etc.. they all have the same stance on rooting basically saying you root the device then you void your warranty and give up your rights to service, repair or replacement while its in the rooted state. So that means you have to remove root before taking it in for warranty related repair or service.

    Now if your talking about the " developer edition or Google Edition " devices such as the HTC One or Galaxy S4 and others, then those you have paid a higher price at the time of purchase to get your hands on these devices which allow you to easily unlock your bootloader and then do as you please from there. The OEM's even provide a safe return back to factory stock in the event you screw something up. However I think if you bring the device in " ROOTED " and running a CUSTOM ROM they can still deny you service/repair under warranty because you are running something other than the OFFICIAL OEM/CARRIER supported software.

    As for the OEM's and carriers, again they follow basically what I said above with the developer/Google Edition devices. When it comes to taking a branded device such as the RAZR M or say a plain Galaxy S4 by Sprint and unlocking, rooting and flashing a custom ROM then you are voiding your warranty options while its in that unlocked and rooted state. Special techniques must be taken to fully remove signs of unlocking and rooting so warranty can be honored on a branded device because they are designed to leave a " Tampered " or RED FLAG behind that you modified the device from stock form.

    Hope this clears things up a little bit..
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    I used to think rooting was so easy until I tried to root (and install busybox) on my HTC one sv its quite complicated....

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    Quote Originally Posted by xceeder View Post
    I used to think rooting was so easy until I tried to root (and install busybox) on my HTC one sv its quite complicated....

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    HTC make it difficult, that's why I don't buy their phones. I find it easier with Samsung, even though there are still a few things it's not as complicated. With Nexus is easiest.
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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by someguy01234 View Post
    HTC make it difficult, that's why I don't buy their phones. I find it easier with Samsung, even though there are still a few things it's not as complicated. With Nexus is easiest.
    It really depends on the phone. On the HTC One, you could unlock the bootloader super easily through the HTC Dev site (I unlocked my AT&T's bootloader) and that made rooting super, super simple. Exynos Samsung phones can be a bear because they don't provide some of the things devs need.
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    Hey quick question , I'm sorry if this sounds a bit silly but if I unlocked my bootloader could I flash a ROM that's already rooted with busybox installed on the ROM or does it not work like that??

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    P.s this is relating to my previous post I'm on a HTC one sv if that makes any difference...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xceeder View Post
    Hey quick question , I'm sorry if this sounds a bit silly but if I unlocked my bootloader could I flash a ROM that's already rooted with busybox installed on the ROM or does it not work like that??

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    Yes. Once you unlock the bootloader, you can flash a custom recovery (usually either Clockwork or TWRP). You can then use that custom recovery to flash a pre-rooted ROM with SU and Busybox already installed. That is exactly what I did with my HTC One.
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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Thanks for replying , and that's what I'm going to do

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    Rooting your phone is relatively easy especially Samsungs but others are just as easy. It's flashing roms and kernels that can get confusing. This is in terms of what rom is of stable build and same for custom kernels. I flashed bobcat rom and as of yet haven't done a clean install and boom it's a week later and all is sweet, meaning I didn't have to reinstall my apps ect. It was and as always recommend to do a clean install and I'm contemplating it, but so far all is sweet.

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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan1982 View Post
    Rooting your phone is relatively easy especially Samsungs but others are just as easy. It's flashing roms and kernels that can get confusing. This is in terms of what rom is of stable build and same for custom kernels. I flashed bobcat rom and as of yet haven't done a clean install and boom it's a week later and all is sweet, meaning I didn't have to reinstall my apps ect. It was and as always recommend to do a clean install and I'm contemplating it, but so far all is sweet.

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    I absolutely refuse to run custom kernels. Even the most stable of custum kernesl are usually significantly less stable than stock kernels.
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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdevenberg View Post
    I absolutely refuse to run custom kernels. Even the most stable of custum kernesl are usually significantly less stable than stock kernels.
    Yes this is true, I wasn't going to either but curiosity got the better of me and I did it and encountered a problem with the camera (wouldn't open) . But flashed another kernel and all is fine and stable but I'm leaving it be at that, I have my phone to my liking now :-)

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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan1982 View Post
    Yes this is true, I wasn't going to either but curiosity got the better of me and I did it and encountered a problem with the camera (wouldn't open) . But flashed another kernel and all is fine and stable but I'm leaving it be at that, I have my phone to my liking now :-)

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    Once you start tinkering that's it. There's no such thing as that's it. Ha ha that's the joy of root and being able to do what you want.

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    Default Re: why is rooting so hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by srkmagnus View Post
    Once you start tinkering that's it. There's no such thing as that's it. Ha ha that's the joy of root and being able to do what you want.

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    Couldn't agree more but for now I'm happy until the next rom that gets my attention lol very true though once you start you can't stop so be warned lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan1982 View Post
    Couldn't agree more but for now I'm happy until the next rom that gets my attention lol very true though once you start you can't stop so be warned lol

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    That's exactly what I'm facing. Had my old phone rooted and flashed. I tried to stay away from it on my new (well, year old) phone, but last week I broke down and wanted to customize it. But since the last stock update it can't get rooted anymore. Very disappointing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckn71 View Post
    That's exactly what I'm facing. Had my old phone rooted and flashed. I tried to stay away from it on my new (well, year old) phone, but last week I broke down and wanted to customize it. But since the last stock update it can't get rooted anymore. Very disappointing

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    If you want to continue to root, get a Nexus, it have one of the most devs working on it, so it will have the some of the roms available and always rootable.

    I don't flash custom rom much now, because KitKat is so good and with lots of 3rd party apps and Xposed Framework, they deliver features you find in custom roms. I still install custom roms, but not as the daily default. I use MultiRom on my Nexus 4, it let me multiboot any number of ARM compatible linux OS to the phone, I set stock rom as the default and flash custom roms on the side.
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    Oppo find 5 ...install app.
    Open app ..choose superuser type...choose root method...Done!

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    I hope everyone understands rooting is an exploit in a phone and manufacturers try to prevent as many exploits as possible. Why do you think manufacturers push out updates that break root? Not only to keep using their services they wanted, its also to secure your own device. What if malware exploit came in through the way root does and takes over your phone? What makes stock devices so bad you have to void warranties and find exploits in your device just so you can have some more functionality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xceeder View Post
    Hey quick question , I'm sorry if this sounds a bit silly but if I unlocked my bootloader could I flash a ROM that's already rooted with busybox installed on the ROM or does it not work like that??

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    I dont think you need to unlock bootloader to install custom rom. You only need to root and install recovery app like cwm, etc.

    Bootloader unlock required if you want to flash custom kernel.

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    Samsung is easy flash one file with Odin and one in the custom recovery. And done. At least with the s3 any way

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdmin View Post
    I dont think you need to unlock bootloader to install custom rom. You only need to root and install recovery app like cwm, etc.

    Bootloader unlock required if you want to flash custom kernel.

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    Yeah but the trouble is I'm trying to do it on my HTC one sv and its a bit complicated rooting it , I've checked the xda forums and installing busybox is a problem that's why I wanted to flash a ROM that's already rooted and got busybox installed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xceeder View Post
    Yeah but the trouble is I'm trying to do it on my HTC one sv and its a bit complicated rooting it , I've checked the xda forums and installing busybox is a problem that's why I wanted to flash a ROM that's already rooted and got busybox installed...

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    To flash a custom rom you have to root your phone in the first place... I did not own HTC phone but from my experience with other phone you can't install custom rom just by unlocking the bootloader...

    Again CMIIW

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