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Re: I need more control
Absolutely, how a company handles what you give them is very important. Privacy is not just the data people take or give, but the what happens with that data and information. For example, the youtube comments/twitter comments thing. It's all public, all of it. Some people who write comments use their full and last name (or at least maybe they didn't used to, but now that's what google is pushing, but....). So an employer does a search, now they're outted. Not private. For those who use an alias, the information is still public, but is fairly anonymous, which is it's own level of personal privacy. Which is why the idea of well, you made a public statement so therefore you're already out there so it doesn't matter just isn't applicable in many life situations.
Originally Posted by ultravisitor
When i was on FB i mostly had friends from a specific project, which is why i joined, that and another group. I set my settings so that it worked for me, yet i still had photos up, my "friends" could share them, and fb knew exactly who i voted for, what types of things i believe, etc. I have an ID number there same as i do with google. but that doesn't mean all my privacy is dead and that a guy i meet tmrw will see what i posted 3 years ago during an election and that's because i managed how i interacted with facebook and it's why I continue to reject Google's "upgrade" offer of attaching my youtube to my gmail. At some point after joining facebook, even though they didn't change how and how much information they collected, as time went on there were enough mechanisms on the internet through social sharing that now when i go to, say, financial times, my "fb friend" profiles come up on that page and lets me know what articles my friends have read. Well, that's a lot of public information, and it's actually being pushed out, it's sharing people's personal and private time that they didn't voluntarily share with someone, even if it's not secret, so I had to make changes so that no one will get pop ups of what article i just read. That is too personal for my particular taste, even if someone asked me, hey, did you read that, i wouldn't hide it, it's a matter of what i want publish, pushed out, sent, shared, etc. Still not hiding from the zuckerman crew, haven't taken my photos down but my friends don't see everytime i read a paper, which articles i'm focusing on, etc. SOME privacy.
Every retail corporation and their mother knows what i've bought from the time i first started purchasing to just about everything i haven't bought yet, but no retailer with all my shopping data is sending photos of me to my friends from my phone book saying "PAISLEY JUST BOUGHT THIS!! LOOK! CHECK IT OUT!". i just don't want them sending all the deets of my life to my life connections, nor do i want it the other way around, photos of my friends being sent to my phone as advertisments "CHECK OUT WHAT I BOUGHT YOU MIGHT LIKE IT TOO" I write tons of reviews, and the public reads them, except those are generally anon. Oh this is a great cat brush. Well, it's public, but my people i've called aren't now being sent the info that i have a cat. Or whatever other things come out when we write reviews or posts, or whatever. Facebook has a profile for me, and that won't change. And my fb connections are very specific, I manage that. And now that google is more like facebook, I and others have to change the way we interact with them. I don't put everything in my life on FB, that's dumb. I don't manage my schedule there, put my credit card there, my to do list, and my friends, and every photo i take, etc, etc. Infact, i never did all that with google either. They had my email contacts, that's it. Fb had my fb contacts, that it's. And then as soon as Google became social sharing+emails+personal phone contacts, exactly what i mentioned about they 'hey, look what this person you know did', happened. I see that you wrote that is minor. That's minor to you. You see may un-initiated information sharing among people in your personal in real life contacts, as eh, so what. Look what visor bought, this that the next thing, he read this, read that, and here everyone in his contact book, look, he did this too. That doesn't work for me. I don't consider that 'oh well so what, just minor, i'll let them keep doing it cuz it's inconvenient for me to make changes'. If a person doesn't want sharing among their contacts, or fb "friends", or G+ whatevers, it's their information they need to manage. Does that mean google will ONLY have what i offer them, of course not, but they certainly don't have everything unless you give it to them. Also once you go ahead with handing it over with a 'yes here' check mark, there's some terms you've agreed to [we may do this], but stuff they take on their own they won't be sending to my friends or posting as advertisements for example, those they don't tend to help push to the web. So yes, what they do with what they have makes a difference in the type of things people keep "private" in their life. I could choose that awesome "upgrade" google keeps pushing over and over on people even when they turn it down 20x over, to put my first and last name on my old youtube account. Well, there's only one way to get them to stop pushing that, (and they do push it, de-link, you'll see, aggressive is an understatement). And the only way to keep from being one button away from identifying yourself on youtube, 20x over, is now i have to stop using youtube on my first/last name account, even though they're still separated by name. It's not trying to hide, it's managing what is kept private and what is not. Google is indeed no different except FB reach is very limited because they are only social media and everything i did with them in the past was based on that, as is my twitter because when i signed up for them I added just want i would put on a social media site, very little. Google's reach is now far greater than FB, my friend's G+ profile photos are now pushed to my phone. YOU may like that. I find it intrusive. And my sister, who is terrible at managing information, now everytime someone puts her in their phone her photo gets sent out to them. Well, duh sissy, shoulda managed your information. Google took it upon themselves to make that helpful service available to people who enjoy a social media life mix experience. It's different than just a regular gmail service. But now, it's sorta all becoming one and the same and they ARE making it difficult to keep them separate, right down to my phone book. And we all know google is not sharing her reviews with me, and her photo with her contacts, to be helpful. So a person who still likes a little bit of anonymity OR privacy, in their life would be wise to reign in what they offer up to google. It doesn't mean we're hiding. And yes, the fact that there are so many workarounds needed to keep your own contacts, doesn't really make me want to send them over everything i have, even under the idea of "well, they have it anyway, so just make just let them sync it already", that is just crazy to me. I never gave them all my phone numbers in the past, or my schedule, or my to do list, etc. Why would I now that they're turned social media hub?