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    Default Notice something all the new Flagships have in common?

    All of them have Micro SD! It's back baby. Google failed to kill it. (2 of them have user-removable batteries as well)

    The new HTC One vs. the competition: the battle of Android flagships rages on

    The new HTC One vs. the competition: the battle of Android flagships rages on
    Love the direction Android is going. Now if we could just get rid of Vendor UIs next...
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    I don't have anything against SD cards, I just don't care for them. I prefer a nice, fat internal storage. I wouldn't be surprised if Google itself brings them back too, since they seem to be implementing fixes for the security issues SD cards caused. I do like removable batteries, but it's usually not a deal-breaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorak950 View Post
    I don't have anything against SD cards, I just don't care for them. I prefer a nice, fat internal storage. I wouldn't be surprised if Google itself brings them back too, since they seem to be implementing fixes for the security issues SD cards caused. I do like removable batteries, but it's usually not a deal-breaker.
    What security issues?

    And you enjoy paying $100 for 16 GB more storage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geodude074 View Post
    What security issues?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geodude074 View Post
    ...you enjoy paying $100 for 16 GB more storage?
    $50, if you mean the 16-32gb jump, and that's a strawman. Of course I'd love to get all the storage I could ever want for free, but I'm willing to pay for it if I need it. I prefer the straightforwardness and flexibility of internal memory to the slower access speed and inferior file system of a SD card. I do almost all my file transfers through the cloud, and for what little is impractical to do that way I just plug my phone into a USB port. I have no need for a physically removable memory unit, so I have no desire to deal with the problems associated with it. Some people need it, and I'm happy that they have the option, but I prefer internal storage.
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    Default Re: Notice something all the new Flagships have in common?

    I keep hearing about how slow SD supposedly is...I have had my Nexus 5 for a while now and access speeds to not seem any faster to me from internal memory. I also had a Rezound before that, and I did not see any speed difference between internal and external memory. The same is true on my BF's Galaxy S3...so I call Shennanigans on this whole "OMG SD is so slow" thing.

    Even if they were, there is still no downside to have the option of SD...if speed matters that much, just don't install an SD. Problem solved. You are gaining nothing by not having the option for SD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    For the tiny minority who are concerned about that, they can choose to simply not install SD. Ta-daa...you are now invulnerable to the dreaded SD security vulnerability. It really is that easy.

    There is no upside to removing the option for SD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    You are gaining nothing by not having the option for SD.
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    There is no upside to removing the option for SD.
    Did anyone say they didn't want people to have the option? And there is an advantage: it saves space, and hardware and engineering costs. You might as well say there's no downside to adding any feature: better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. That's all well and good, until you realize you have a device filled with hardware and software bloat you never use, made more expensive because it has all this junk which actually detracts from your user experience. Yes, there should be devices with SD support, but I and a lot of people don't need or want it, so isn't it okay for there to be phones engineered for other people's preferences, too?
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    Default Re: Notice something all the new Flagships have in common?

    Quote Originally Posted by zorak950 View Post
    Did anyone say they didn't want people to have the option? And there is an advantage: it saves space, and hardware and engineering costs.
    How much could it possibly cost if even the cheapest Android phones have it?

    These phones are under $100 USD
    Best 15 CHEAP ANDROID PHONES for 2013 - Under Rs.5000 to 10,000 Price

    Obviously MicroSD is not that expensive...even dirt cheap phones have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    How much could it possibly cost if even the cheapest Android phones have it?
    I have no idea, but the fact that more than a few phones don't have them obviously means there's a downside from the manufacturer's point of view. I suspect it has more to do with engineering than the price of the thing itself. If you have an SD slot, it takes up space inside the device, and you either need a removable cover or a door to access it. If you're looking for me to tell you devices shouldn't have them, I won't. All I'm saying is I prefer to not have something I'm not going to use, just like I'd rather my phone didn't have an IR transmitter, a radio, an antenna, and any number of other things. It's unlikely I wouldn't buy a phone just because it had a SD slot, all other things being equal, but I'd rather it didn't.
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    Well.... Considering that Google uses the Nexus line to show off their stuff, I'd bet against an SD card. Why?

    Google Drive, Google+ Autobackup, Google Play Music, etc.... They want to show off those services. They want to show how you can have your photos and videos backed up automatically, stored safely, etc... Lose your phone? No problem... drop your phone into the wood chipper? No problem... your stuff is safe.... same goes for that huge music library you have (if you put it into Google Play Music).

    Provided you have a reliable, fast network connection (which isn't always the case still), the cloud services are pretty seemless.

    Now, sure, if I have a SD port in my Nexus 5, I'd use it.... but I would still rely on those above services. I had a SD card go on me... a good, top quality brand... luckily, I had backups of all the stuff that I lost, but it was still a pain in the **** and I stopped relying on it as much as I had.
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    Default Re: Notice something all the new Flagships have in common?

    Quote Originally Posted by zorak950 View Post
    I have no idea, but the fact that more than a few phones don't have them obviously means there's a downside from the manufacturer's point of view.
    ...or maybe it is just an ideological thing. Or maybe they want to force people to pay more for phones with more memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoRex View Post
    Well.... Considering that Google uses the Nexus line to show off their stuff, I'd bet against an SD card. Why?

    Google Drive, Google+ Autobackup, Google Play Music, etc.... They want to show off those services. They want to show how you can have your photos and videos backed up automatically, stored safely, etc... Lose your phone? No problem... drop your phone into the wood chipper? No problem... your stuff is safe.... same goes for that huge music library you have (if you put it into Google Play Music).

    Provided you have a reliable, fast network connection (which isn't always the case still), the cloud services are pretty seemless.

    Now, sure, if I have a SD port in my Nexus 5, I'd use it.... but I would still rely on those above services. I had a SD card go on me... a good, top quality brand... luckily, I had backups of all the stuff that I lost, but it was still a pain in the **** and I stopped relying on it as much as I had.
    I lost about half of my vacation photos/Videos when my Nexus 5 died on vacation. If I'd had an SD slot, I would still have all those photos and videos.

    I have never had an SD card go bad on me. Not once. I am still using the 16 gig SD card I have from my 2009 Droid 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    I have never had an SD card go bad on me. Not once. I am still using the 16 gig SD card I have from my 2009 Droid 1.
    Good... but that doesn't mean SDs don't go bad... they do. That is why I'm a heavy cloud user... I use cloud storage to back up stuff on my phone, and cloud storage to back up a TON of stuff on various laptops at home. I wouldn't ever trust an SD card to be the sole repository for things that can not be replaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoRex View Post
    Good... but that doesn't mean SDs don't go bad... they do. That is why I'm a heavy cloud user...
    The cloud didn't save my vacation photos in the middle of the ocean. But SD would have.

    The cloud is great but it is not ubiquitous. SD is there all the time, 24/7, even if you have no signal at all. Bonus: You can use both. They are not mutually exclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    The cloud didn't save my vacation photos in the middle of the ocean. But SD would have.

    The cloud is great but it is not ubiquitous. SD is there all the time, 24/7, even if you have no signal at all. Bonus: You can use both. They are not mutually exclusive.
    Those network services aren't of much use unless you have access to them, that is certainly true. And yes, you can most definitely use both.... but going off the OP... I believe that Google left a SD out of the Nexus for the sole purpose of nudging users to use their cloud services. It is the only logical explanation... Even cheap phones have SD card ports, and at the current price point, they could have stuffed a MASSIVE amount of local storage in that thing and still stay hundreds less than other phones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoRex View Post
    Those network services aren't of much use unless you have access to them, that is certainly true. And yes, you can most definitely use both.... but going off the OP... I believe that Google left a SD out of the Nexus for the sole purpose of nudging users to use their cloud services.
    Exactly. It was not to enhance the experience. It was to force us to do things the way they would like us to. It was obnoxious.

    It is gratifying to see that the rest of the Android world is ignoring Google on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    Lol.

    For those who live in fear, you can spend $50-$100 for 16-32 GB of additional storage. If you're really afraid of hackers and malware and other boogeymen on the internet, maybe you should migrate towards a more walled-garden operating system like iOS or WP8, where nothing can hurt you and everything is controlled for you.

    For the other 99.9% of the population who've never experienced a security compromise on their mobile OS, I think paying $35 for 64 GB is more feasible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    Exactly. It was not to enhance the experience. It was to force us to do things the way they would like us to. It was obnoxious.

    It is gratifying to see that the rest of the Android world is ignoring Google on this issue.
    Force? How so? Are there armies of Google employees holding guns to people's heads so they buy a Nexus 5? Are they mislabeled... where people bought it thinking it had 64GB and "OHNOES!!! 16!!!" No. They just left out the SD slot... call in the National Guard... those bastards!

    I use, willingly, all those services you say I am being forced to use and they work pretty good for my purposes. For some, it might not work so good... if someone needs to store 48g's worth of casting couch porn videos on their phones because their cabin in the woods doesn't get a data signal, they are free to get down with their bad self and buy a phone with expandable storage. Cool! Whatever works.

    And Google has no f's to give whether Samsung or HTC includes a SD slot or not. If they didn't want anyone to have one, they control the operating system... *poof* no mountable storage option.... But they didn't. They, like every other software company in the known universe, modified things to patch some glaring, known and published security holes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoRex View Post
    Force? How so?
    By refusing to provide an option for SD.

    I use, willingly, all those services you say I am being forced to use
    So do I. I resent an option being taken away from me merely for ideological reasons. Nexus phones have had SD before.

    For some, it might not work so good... if someone needs to store 48g's worth of casting couch porn videos on their phones because their cabin in the woods doesn't get a data signal, they are free to get down with their bad self and buy a phone with expandable storage. Cool! Whatever works.
    Here's the thing...with my way, everyone gets what they want. With your way, that is not true. So which way is better?

    If I took options away from you simply because I felt like it, how would that make you feel?

    And Google has no f's to give whether Samsung or HTC includes a SD slot or not.
    That might change if SD makes a huge resurgence. Google might not have any choice but to cave.

    If they didn't want anyone to have one, they control the operating system... *poof* no mountable storage option.... But they didn't. They, like every other software company in the known universe, modified things to patch some glaring, known and published security holes.
    I could patch those "security" holes just as easily by simply removing the SD card from the phone. If you are that paranoid about it, that is an option you would have. Removing the entire option for SD is overkill. It is not necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    By refusing to provide an option for SD.
    Again, are they the only phone available to purchase? If you have to have an SD card, get something else. If you have to have a unlocked phone, get a GPE edition. Google isn't forcing anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    Here's the thing...with my way, everyone gets what they want. With your way, that is not true. So which way is better? If I took options away from you simply because I felt like it, how would that make you feel?
    I got what I want. It isn't like it had a slot and Google minions came into my house under the cover of darkness and removed it. I new the Nexus 5 didn't have a slot, didn't care either way, and bought the phone anyhow.
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    That might change if SD makes a huge resurgence. Google might not have any choice but to cave.
    Cave to what? They aren't holding anyone hostage here.... Could the next Nexus phone have an SD card? Sure.... They might chose to include one next time around. See.... I fail to detect any kind of pomposity on Google's part here. It isn't like they have a closed architecture where you have only 1 option and they just stuff it down people's throats... They didn't tell Samsung, HTC, et. al. to pound sand... Hardly. They gladly let them and everyone else grab that OS and f it up as much or as little as they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    I could patch those "security" holes just as easily by simply removing the SD card from the phone. If you are that paranoid about it, that is an option you would have. Removing the entire option for SD is overkill. It is not necessary.
    Yep...and I could guarantee I won't get any viruses or malware by just turning off my router and not connecting to the internet.... otherwise, who needs silly virus scanners and security updates? It's all lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoRex View Post
    Again, are they the only phone available to purchase?
    If I want Vanilla Android and direct updates, yeah, pretty much.

    If you have to have an SD card, get something else.
    I decided to buy the phone despite this flaw. That doesn't mean I have to like the flaw or should not be allowed to criticize it.

    I got what I want.
    It is possible for me to get what I want too, without taking anything away from you.

    Cave to what?
    Their jihad against SD.

    I fail to detect any kind of pomposity on Google's part here.
    And I disagree. I think they are trying to push people to use the Cloud. For a number of reasons.

    All that is speculation of course, but we know for sure that there is no physical reason why SD could not be included. They themselves have included it before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geodude074 View Post
    Lol.

    For those who live in fear, you can spend $50-$100 for 16-32 GB of additional storage. If you're really afraid of hackers and malware and other boogeymen on the internet, maybe you should migrate towards a more walled-garden operating system like iOS or WP8, where nothing can hurt you and everything is controlled for you.

    For the other 99.9% of the population who've never experienced a security compromise on their mobile OS, I think paying $35 for 64 GB is more feasible.

    Never said I live in fear. I was simply pointing out the security issue in SD cards. You asked what security issues. I answered the question by providing a link supporting security flaws.
    While I appreciate the suggestion of changing Operating Systems, I don't find this reply very helpful, or polite.

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