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    Default Re: Chromecast Saying Sideloaded Music can't play

    Quote Originally Posted by Devlyn16 View Post
    So the issue isnt with music being stored on the device, it is with Google Music needing to know the music stored ont he device is identical to the one in the cloud.
    No - it's both WHERE it's stored on the device AND that the song is the same song uploaded to GPM.

    I can take a song, upload it to GPM, and copy it to internal memory and it will play fine (so long as it is the exact song I uploaded - I tried to change the album name and it considered it sideloaded).

    If I copy the same song to an SD card, it won't play at all. As soon as I take out the SD Card, it will play again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmack View Post
    No - it's both WHERE it's stored on the device AND that the song is the same song uploaded to GPM.

    I can take a song, upload it to GPM, and copy it to internal memory and it will play fine (so long as it is the exact song I uploaded - I tried to change the album name and it considered it sideloaded).

    If I copy the same song to an SD card, it won't play at all. As soon as I take out the SD Card, it will play again.
    I think that is what I said "Google Music needing to know the music stored ont he device is identical to the one in the cloud". If you "side load" the music, even if it is the same track, Google Music has no way to know it is the same track that is in the cloud. I don't believe Google Music lets you "pin" [Download] music to removable storage. However if I am wrong please let me know if the Pinned music to the SD card fails to play. The issue isn't WHERE [beyond it being where Google Music stores it] it is Using the APP to Pin [download] the locally stored music.

    Now I admit I haven't tried this from a PC. The PC where I have all my music stored is too old to be Chromecast capable, however I can authorize my wife's PC as one of my Google Music devices and then "pin" some music to it to see how it reacts.

    Quick Question: you mentioned you tried to change the album name, what method did you use to change it? Wasit done using a Google Music interface? I think we will come to find that in using Google Music to cast all things must be done Through Google's Services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmack View Post
    In my testing, the source of the transfer of the music doesn't matter - it's the storage location of the music that matters. It seems to be working like this:

    (1) If the song is only on your device and not uploaded in Google Play Music, you can't cast it regardless of whether it's on an SD Card or the main storage.

    (2) If the song is uploaded in GPM and stored on your device with no SD Card, then it can be cast (I can confirm this on a Nexus 4 and Nexus 10). I have songs both pinned and stored in a separate Music Folder.

    (3) If the song is uploaded in GPM and stored on the SD Card of your device, then it can't be cast (I can confirm this on a GS2). It's not yet clear to me if the GS2 stores pinned music in the main storage - I will try to test tonight.

    Any others seeing different results?
    I need to update this as I used a faulty method in my first go around of testing. Rookie mistake - I didn't clear out my cache before performing the test and it gave me false results.

    For #2, I used a song that I had listened to a lot so it was in my cache, and despite copying the song to internal memory, the phone still played it. After clearing out my cache and using the songs stored in internal storage (not pinned, but stored in storage/music), they WON'T play on my Nexus 4 or Nexus 10 even though they are also in GPM. So the SD card is not a factor.

    The only way to play music stored on a phone is if it's pinned and pinned to local storage, even if the song is EXACTLY as it appears in GPM.

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    I found that on my S4 all I have to do is unmount my SD card. Don't have to remove it, when I'm done just remount card works great for meYMMV
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    FWIW, I can't play anything that is found on my HTC One (there is no SD card accessible on that device, though it may use one internally, I'm not sure). I have songs that are not downloaded that cast fine.
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    I have found the easiest, semi permanent solution is to take any music stored on your device or sd card and just rename the file folder that it is contained in. After this, Google does not recognize it, therefore reads just from the cloud, everything plays fine. Now this does entail going into any other music players you may use and redirecting them to the newly named folder, but this is a one time inconvenience and afterwards all players don't seem to have a problem. Works great for me, hope it does for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sectime View Post
    I found that on my S4 all I have to do is unmount my SD card. Don't have to remove it, when I'm done just remount card works great for meYMMV
    I did this for my S4 and it works except for the songs I've gotten from amazon mp3 store, even though I did upload them to GPM. I have the same songs on my Xoom and I still get the sideload error. All my music on my Xoom is on internal storage. If I upload my Xoom music to GPM, will I get duplicates in GPM?
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    Wow, you have to play your music from the CLOUD. what BS.... why dont they advertise it as such.... Talk about Apple behavior, I thought this was google, not the 3rd reich
    Kurt
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    Quote Originally Posted by kurt guseman View Post
    Wow, you have to play your music from the CLOUD. what BS.... why dont they advertise it as such.... Talk about Apple behavior, I thought this was google, not the 3rd reich
    Kurt
    They do. "Chromecast: The easiest way to enjoy ONLINE video and music on your TV."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kurt guseman View Post
    Wow, you have to play your music from the CLOUD. what BS.... why dont they advertise it as such.... Talk about Apple behavior, I thought this was google, not the 3rd reich
    Kurt
    Well, if you don't like that, you can either 1) Wait until things shake out a bit with the SDK and things start working with local content, OR 2) do what I do, use an app like BubblePnP, and stream all the local OR cloud music that you want directly to your TV. Assuming your TV has DNLA capability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kurt guseman View Post
    Wow, you have to play your music from the CLOUD. what BS.... why dont they advertise it as such.... Talk about Apple behavior, I thought this was google, not the 3rd reich
    Kurt
    Right from Google's Chromecast page -- first line:

    The easiest way to enjoy online video and music on your TV
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  13. #38  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devlyn16 View Post
    I think that is what I said "Google Music needing to know the music stored ont he device is identical to the one in the cloud". If you "side load" the music, even if it is the same track, Google Music has no way to know it is the same track that is in the cloud.
    I just deleted a song from my SD and now the track plays just fine. I can confirm that you cannot have the same copy of the song on your SD card you've manually sideloaded. But you can have it "pinned" to your device from Google Music.

    THANKS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GadgetGator View Post
    Well, if you don't like that, you can either 1) Wait until things shake out a bit with the SDK and things start working with local content, OR 2) do what I do, use an app like BubblePnP, and stream all the local OR cloud music that you want directly to your TV. Assuming your TV has DNLA capability.
    Well said indeed, GadgetGator, and many thanks. Following up, 1) how would I stay in touch as to when Google Music starts actually working like I'd expect it to? (allowing local content and also music that I have absolutely no idea where I got it from (I'm a TBI survivor, & lost a lot of minor memories)) I hate the fact that all the music is listed the exact same, but some content plays and some doesn't because "it was side-loaded." So Google Music is currently a guessing game-- "Let's try to play this song... was it side-loaded... oh, yes it was, boo... let's try someone else... it's playing, yay!" But putting music that will not play in the same list as music that will play, with no way to distinguish between them, is just pure junkbutter from the end-user's standpoint. Which seems highly unusual to me since it's the first time in almost 2 decades I've seen Google make what I consider to be an errant choice. Granted, Google Music may still be a fledgling service, in which case I don't expect everything to be working the way I'd like it right out of the gate. Which brings me back to the beginning-- how can one stay abreast of changes to the Google Music service?
    2) I found BubbleUPnP UPnP/DLNA-- thanks for the pointer-- and I like the concept since the content stays local, thus reducing or eliminating most of any lag time, which is kinda necessary for music (and I just noticed some lag when playing from G.M. through my Chromecast & TV), but 10 minutes of Googling didn't answer whether my Dynex 42" flat-screen TV has DLNA or not. (dunno where the manual went) Is there something I could do to figure it out?

    Thanks for any help! We'll get there... someday...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey Knox View Post
    Well said indeed, GadgetGator, and many thanks. Following up, 1) how would I stay in touch as to when Google Music starts actually working like I'd expect it to? (allowing local content and also music that I have absolutely no idea where I got it from (I'm a TBI survivor, & lost a lot of minor memories)) I hate the fact that all the music is listed the exact same, but some content plays and some doesn't because "it was side-loaded." So Google Music is currently a guessing game-- "Let's try to play this song... was it side-loaded... oh, yes it was, boo... let's try someone else... it's playing, yay!" But putting music that will not play in the same list as music that will play, with no way to distinguish between them, is just pure junkbutter from the end-user's standpoint. Which seems highly unusual to me since it's the first time in almost 2 decades I've seen Google make what I consider to be an errant choice. Granted, Google Music may still be a fledgling service, in which case I don't expect everything to be working the way I'd like it right out of the gate. Which brings me back to the beginning-- how can one stay abreast of changes to the Google Music service?
    2) I found BubbleUPnP UPnP/DLNA-- thanks for the pointer-- and I like the concept since the content stays local, thus reducing or eliminating most of any lag time, which is kinda necessary for music (and I just noticed some lag when playing from G.M. through my Chromecast & TV), but 10 minutes of Googling didn't answer whether my Dynex 42" flat-screen TV has DLNA or not. (dunno where the manual went) Is there something I could do to figure it out?

    Thanks for any help! We'll get there... someday...
    As for how you keep up to date on things....same as you are doing now. Follow forums, check tech blog sites like Engadget and this one. Both of which are very good about letting people know when things are updated.

    As for your TV, two things to try. One, when you start the BubbleUPnP ap, and select the last tab (devices) from bottom, what choices does it give you under renderers? Is your TV listed? Or just local Renderer? If your TV shows up, then it's connected and ready to go! If not, then you have some digging to do. Is it conncted to your network? As for if the TV has the capability, did you go onto the manufactures website? They might have an online manual PDF posted.
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    Isn't all my music on Google Play stored in the cloud? This is a real issue for me becuase I have playlist that I am casting and they just stop playing with no way to tell what will play and what wont.
    I just got off the phone with chromecast support and it was probably one of the worst CS experiences i ever had. First the guys headphone didn't work so he couldn't hear me (I was on a landline) and he kept breaking up. Second, he told me that for the chromecast to work correctly I needed Android 5.0. and he was insistent about it even when I told him I have a brand new phone with 4.2 and that is the latest. I asked him to look up the release date and thats when he came back and apologized but these people have obviously not had even rudimentary training. I love android and have no apple devices but my kids do and Apple would never put someone on the phone without them knowing what OS is current or with a defective headset for that matter.
    I finally got a supervisor on the phone and unbelievably he had the same headset problem. when i asked him if he was using the same one he said yes i then asked if Google cant afford working headsets for the CS he said they have too many people there and not enough headsets. Geez.
    Bottom line is he told me if you didnt download or buy your music from the play store you cant cast it. Ok so how can I tell what was mine and what was theirs? He told me to check my history which shows what I bought which of course wont tell me what i uploaded from my collection so basically SOL.
    Because I have a smart TV the only reason I bought Chromecast was to play music through my speakers with no way to tell what songs will play and which wont this is pretty much a deal killer for me.
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    How do you take music from iPad to google play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garwa View Post
    How do you take music from iPad to google play?
    You don't. you need to get the music to Google Music. I would imagine you would need a PC to upload it to Google Music as I'm not sure if there is an app to do it on the iPad. It has been a while since I uploaded my music, I believe Google only gives you 30 GB music storage free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garwa View Post
    How do you take music from iPad to google play?
    Unless Google brings that option through their app that is supposedly coming, you'll need a computer. Most people have their music stored somewhere else, not just on their ipad. So that's where things are at right now.
    If I wanted limits on what I could do with a device, I would have an iPhone!
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    I apologize if this is common knowledge or just too plainly obvious, and also if someone has said this previously and I didn't catch it. I just discovered another method of Casting tracks from my Google Music account (accessed through the web interface on my laptop) to my Chromecast. Maybe this is useful to y'all, maybe you'll find it to be pure junkbutter. I'm not following this thread closely enough to make that distinction-- sorry.
    Anywho, on my laptop running Chrome, I access the Google Music web interface (https://play.google.com/music), and then I use the Google Cast extension for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...jhdicfkmllpafd) to cast the tab that's playing my Google Music. I just verified that this does work for "side-loaded" content. (I call this approach "upside-down-loaded content" ;-)
    Yes I realize this does not address all the issues of casting from all devices and maybe I misunderstood the basic question-- oh well, hopefully it'll make someone's day better! :-)
    Jeff

    follow-up, 5 minutes later: hmmm, this is going to lead to screen burn-in on my TV since it consistently shows the Chrome tab playing Google Music... huh. That's really not good for the TV... any suggestions?

    follow-up, 4 days later: maybe not on the screen burn-in! Start playing something through the web interface, and at the bottom-left there's an album cover to the left of the band, album & track names. Clicking that makes the artwork fill 98% of the page which is being Cast, and better still, it changes so the vast majority of the TV screen won't get screen burn-in! :-)
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    Okay, I'm getting the hang of it now. The fastest way I've found to upload music is not through the web interface, but just copying the music files to the folder Music Manager is watching. (since I have "automatically upload" checked) Rockin' and rolling through my collection now! And I have a new question re: "side-loaded" music-- as I'm ripping my CDs now, I'm using Windows Media Player, and it's grabbing artist, album & track titles. It's also set to automatically start ripping, so when it ejects one, I just put in the next! Then I just copy the resulting folder of new MP3's to the folder that G-Music is watching, wait for the upload, and I'm good to go!
    But huh, that's curious-- everything I'm ripping through Windows Media Player is not being marked as side-loaded. That's something I want to watch, since I cannot Cast side-loaded content through my Android phone, which is my preferred method; I can only Cast it through the web interface. (which makes using the G-Music app on my phone into a pure guessing game: "Is this one side-loaded? Shucks. How about this one?") I know that I had initially ripped all my MP3s with something other than Windows Media Player, and they now appear as side-loaded to G-Music. Yet I own the CD for most of that "side-loaded" music. I suspect that if I were to re-rip some "side-loaded" content using W.M.P. and re-upload it over what's in the cloud, then it would no longer be called side-loaded. I haven't done that test yet, but if that turns out to be true (anybody know?), then that implies I would want to re-rip all the content that had been initially ripped using something other than W.M.P., this time using W.M.P. But unless I go through thousand of songs (or maybe just albums) trying to Cast each one, how can I know which ones need to be re-ripped "correctly"??? It would be AWESOME if I could filter my library on the web site to show me which ones are side-loaded and need to be re-ripped. Is there a way to do that, or to make a suggestion to the G-Music team?

    Thanks y'all,
    Jeff
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    The reason for all this is fundamental to the way a Chromecast device works. The dongle never streams anything directly from your Android device. Your android device is only a sort of remote control - you use it to tell the dongle what to do, but then the dongle goes and gets the content itself directly from Netflix or YouTube or your Google Play account. That's why you can start something streaming, and then you can go and use your tablet for something else, or put it to sleep, while the stream plays... but it also means that having the content stored on the tablet doesn't matter - the dongle can't retrieve content from your tablet. There are other kinds of dongles that will effectively mirror your tablet's display on your TV but that's not what Chromecast does, it's a completely different paradigm.
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    I just bought one of these from best buy for $29.00 and I don't think I'm that disappointed. It streams you tube, play music, Netflix, Pandora with no issues at all. I have not been able to get chrome to work yet. I don't see the cast symbol anywhere on the page. The HBO and hulu don't do much for me since you have to subscribe to them. I'm hoping that soon it mirror my phone and tablet screens. Old nexus7 and sgs4. One thing I was impressed with was how easy it was to set up. No problems at all.

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    Brian Lucas,
    Thank you... it finally dawned in what "side-loaded" means! It means Chromecast can't play LOCAL content. I wonder why they ditched common terminology. In order to play on a Chromecast, the content must come from some stream. That makes sense. Except for casting Chrome tabs, that's local content... unless the screenshot is actually being uploaded via computer and then downloaded via Chromecast. That would seem like a waste of bandwidth... but whatever, I'm done, thanks!

    jasonbird, you'll need to install the Google Cast extension for Chrome from here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...jhdicfkmllpafd Then a small TV monitor icon will appear to the right of Chrome's omnibox (address bar), and you can move it some by click-and-drag. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonbird View Post
    I just bought one of these from best buy for $29.00 and I don't think I'm that disappointed. It streams you tube, play music, Netflix, Pandora with no issues at all. I have not been able to get chrome to work yet. I don't see the cast symbol anywhere on the page. The HBO and hulu don't do much for me since you have to subscribe to them. I'm hoping that soon it mirror my phone and tablet screens. Old nexus7 and sgs4. One thing I was impressed with was how easy it was to set up. No problems at all.

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    Chrome only works from a PC Chrome browser, you need to add the Plugin. Have you done so? also what are the specs of the PC you are casting Chrome from?
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