Tmobile manual Froyo - Does it void warranty?

**docpsyd** · 05-24-2010, 10:58 PM

Hey guys,

I recently did the froyo manual upgrade, and I am LOVING IT. This is the exact reason I got the N1...

My questions is, does doing the manual upgrade for a tmobile N1 void the warranty? I know you must uninstall the bootload to void the warranty... does what I did count as uninstalling the bootloader? I have never rooted or done anything to my phone, besides this.

**Jerry Hildenbrand** · 05-24-2010, 11:03 PM

You and me both. Going over it and playing with the new features -- as well as trying to twist them around a bit is fun with a capital F.

You didn't unlock the bootloader by flashing the update.zip. If flashing "unauthorized" <--notice the quotes there -- software that was signed by Google voids your warranty or not, I have no clue. I would imagine HTC may not approve, but there's not much they can say since Google did send it out OTA to a few people.

**Droid800** · 05-24-2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by gbhil

You and me both. Going over it and playing with the new features -- as well as trying to twist them around a bit is fun with a capital F.

You didn't unlock the bootloader by flashing the update.zip. If flashing "unauthorized" <--notice the quotes there -- software that was signed by Google voids your warranty or not, I have no clue. I would imagine HTC may not approve, but there's not much they can say since Google did send it out OTA to a few people.

If you installed this update you voided your warranty. This was not an official update by Google authorized for installation on your device. (NO consumer Nexus One's were updated yet) It doesn't matter if it was signed by Google; the update was not officially released and at this point is not officially supported by either HTC or Google.

Now, having said that, I don't think either HTC or Google would turn you away if you sought warranty assistance with FRF50 installed. It was their mistake, but then again, no one forced you to install it.

**Jerry Hildenbrand** · 05-24-2010, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Droid800

If you installed this update you voided your warranty. This was not an official update by Google authorized for installation on your device. (NO consumer Nexus One's were updated yet) It doesn't matter if it was signed by Google; the update was not officially released and at this point is not officially supported by either HTC or Google.

Now, having said that, I don't think either HTC or Google would turn you away if you sought warranty assistance with FRF50 installed. It was their mistake, but then again, no one forced you to install it.

I agree with ya, but Phil beats us if we speculate

-- if that's official somewhere, remember where ya saw it? Would love to toss it on the front page.

**Droid800** · 05-24-2010, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by gbhil

I agree with ya, but Phil beats us if we speculate

-- if that's official somewhere, remember where ya saw it? Would love to toss it on the front page.

I posted a thread here:

http://forum.androidcentral.com/goog...real-deal.html

Apparently FRF50 was ONLY meant for press units and beta testers. (supposedly within Google only) They're finalizing the release version for the Nexus One, but nobody knows if its FRF50 or another version. This actually perfectly explains why the software was 'released' on a saturday, and why market issues persist for many users.

**docpsyd** · 05-24-2010, 11:29 PM

would downgrading put me back into warranty status, or did I burn that bridge with the manual froyo upgrade?

**Droid800** · 05-24-2010, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by docpsyd

would downgrading put me back into warranty status, or did I burn that bridge with the manual froyo upgrade?

Nah. You don't unlock the bootloader when you do it, so you're fine. Since Google ****ed up by allowing the link to go live, they'd be accommodating. Just to be clear though, technically the warranty WAS voided. They just won't give you a hard time about it.

**Jerry Hildenbrand** · 05-24-2010, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Droid800

I posted a thread here:

http://forum.androidcentral.com/goog...real-deal.html

Apparently FRF50 was ONLY meant for press units and beta testers. (supposedly within Google only) They're finalizing the release version for the Nexus One, but nobody knows if its FRF50 or another version. This actually perfectly explains why the software was 'released' on a saturday, and why market issues persist for many users.

Been following that

Just digging for a legit source, preferably from the Goog. Phil would ship me over to Ozcar if I went to him with a "he said" kinda thing lol.

I just am amazed at the odds of Siegler getting it if it was a random mistake.

**Droid800** · 05-24-2010, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by gbhil

Been following that

Just digging for a legit source, preferably from the Goog. Phil would ship me over to Ozcar if I went to him with a "he said" kinda thing lol.

I just am amazed at the odds of Siegler getting it if it was a random mistake.

You could try reaching out to them. The biggest single reason to believe its true is that there is no trace that the file ever existed on Google servers, so that might be good enough. (well, that and Google's been silent on the matter. They would have trumpeted it from the hilltops that 2.2 had been released for its flagship Android device)

**docpsyd** · 05-25-2010, 01:44 PM

Thanks guys!

**evilp8ntballer7#AC** · 05-25-2010, 04:50 PM

and you can always flash something else "official" and/or if this one is real then they wont be able to tell how you got it and/or when you put it on your phone

**hotdogwater** · 05-26-2010, 10:47 AM

I think if you downgrade you'll be fine. It's when you unlock the bootloader it gets hairy.

**demp_D-1417** · 05-26-2010, 10:59 AM

I went to the Goole store to order the Nexus One ATT 3G but the circle next to the ATT version is not accessible. Do anyone know if Google has shut down buying the ATT version online?

**evilp8ntballer7#AC** · 05-26-2010, 01:13 PM

the AT&T version is available now.

**platanero1107#IM** · 05-27-2010, 04:10 AM

anyone who has a stock tmo n1 and still has the download they used please hit me up cause all the ones i've used are not working.

**stalker** · 05-27-2010, 04:43 AM

No it won't void warranty. Check out this thread..

http://forum.androidcentral.com/andr...l-release.html

**Droid800** · 05-27-2010, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by stalker

No it won't void warranty. Check out this thread..

http://forum.androidcentral.com/andr...l-release.html

It does, actually, because the software was never meant to be on a consumer device. Its akin to installing a custom rom on your device. The OTA update exists for a reason, and any time you manually install, you take a risk and Google WILL NOT provide you warranty service if you bork the installation (or install a file like FRF50) and you screw up your handset.

**docpsyd** · 05-27-2010, 02:49 PM

Droid800- I think the point is that if you did the FRF50 update, and then you get the official one... since you did not unlock the bootloader, there is no way Google or HTC will know anything was voided. I see what you mean about the technicality; however, functionally, as long as your phone does not wig out while on the FRF50 and you eventually have an official 2.2 OS, your 1 year warranty will be honored (assuming the bootload was not unlocked).

**spazoid86** · 05-27-2010, 08:06 PM

Any one who said it will void your warrenty is WRONG!

I asked google ""Will the people that did the manual update to Froyo still receive the OTA, and did it void the warrenty? Can I get a straight Answer?"

A Google Employee replied:

Hi,

The answer is yes and no, respectively. When 2.2 (Froyo) is sent via OTA, everybody will get it, including those who have already manually updated to Froyo. No, your warranty is not voided by manually updating to Froyo. But we do recommend waiting for the OTA if you're still on 2.1 / Eclair.

Cheers,

Ben

Just to put your minds to rest. You are OK.

PROOF LINK WILL COME AFTER MY 10 POSTS

**spazoid86** · 05-27-2010, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Droid800

It does, actually, because the software was never meant to be on a consumer device. Its akin to installing a custom rom on your device. The OTA update exists for a reason, and any time you manually install, you take a risk and Google WILL NOT provide you warranty service if you bork the installation (or install a file like FRF50) and you screw up your handset.

Originally Posted by hotdogwater

I think if you downgrade you'll be fine. It's when you unlock the bootloader it gets hairy.

Originally Posted by Droid800

If you installed this update you voided your warranty. This was not an official update by Google authorized for installation on your device. (NO consumer Nexus One's were updated yet) It doesn't matter if it was signed by Google; the update was not officially released and at this point is not officially supported by either HTC or Google.

Now, having said that, I don't think either HTC or Google would turn you away if you sought warranty assistance with FRF50 installed. It was their mistake, but then again, no one forced you to install it.

Only reason I joined this forum To prove that it doesnt

**Droid800** · 05-27-2010, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by spazoid86

Only reason I joined this forum To prove that it doesnt

You are modifying the phone's software with an unofficial update. According to the Warranty information provided with all Nexus One, doing that voids your warranty claims.

**stalker** · 05-27-2010, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Droid800

You are modifying the phone's software with an unofficial update. According to the Warranty information provided with all Nexus One, doing that voids your warranty claims.

True.. But google has said that they will provide a final update on this leaked update. So, I think after upgrading to final release there won't be any problem.

**docpsyd** · 05-28-2010, 08:41 AM

Droid800- nobody is arguing against the technicality aspect of it voiding the warranty... but do you understand that once you upgrade to the newer OS that the phones WILL be covered by warranty?

**spazoid86** · 05-28-2010, 12:04 PM

I think that you have to accept that you jumped the gun on this one. I would say just a lesson learned. Not to call you out and say ur dumb, cause I am not saying that.
I am simply saying thats how rumors are started

**Cullen13** · 06-08-2010, 11:07 AM

I just got off the phone with Google Support regarding a "No Service" issue. While he thought it was likely the SIMM card going bad, he was unable to help me directly as I was running Froyo and that made my phone "out of warranty". However, he hinted that once Froyo is released officially and I updated to that release, I would be back "in warranty". So, from that conversation, I took away that while Froyo does not VOID the warranty permanently, it does made the device unsupported in its current state.