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    Default First impressions after two hard hours

    My credentials first. Have used Palm products since very beginning (August 1996). Accustomed to optimized Palm PIM GUI. Willing to migrate PIM data from PC to cloud (already moved Palm Contacts, Calendar, and Tasks to Google... bit of a nightmare, as any of you who may have tried can testify). Have used a friend's iPhone 3GS for one week as basis of comparison with subsequent contenders.

    Have read N1 User Guide (all 320 pages) twice. Little need to fumble around figuring out how things work. Had already devised a list of key tests.

    A friend dropped by today and let me hit his N1 hard for two hours. For what they are worth, in no particular order, here are my impressions (+ positive, * neutral, - negative):

    + lovely physical design & feel; 2-tone color scheme is refreshing

    + first impressions of camera and camcorder are positive; need more testing (I use a Canon prosumer DSLR heavily, but realize that cellphone photography won't compete yet for a few years).

    + gorgeous bright screen - 800x480 is a huge leap past iPhone; did not test in direct sunlight

    * did not (yet) evaluate color accuracy, which has been severely criticized

    * neutral on soft key responsiveness - sometimes failed, often worked if pressed just above icons

    + VERY fast app launching

    - occasional jerky scrolling - annoying

    - frequently missed touch gestures (swipe, tap) - VERY annoying

    - dislike desktop/launcher dichotomy (much prefer iPhone single level metaphor)

    + love multi-tasking (not as cool as Palm Pre/Pixi, though)

    * surprised that apps cannot be killed manually; 3rd-party solution, perhaps? Why not just press-hold Home to get view of running apps, then press-hold an app icon to get menu for Kill / About (parameters & status)? Developers say: why would you worry about killing apps? Android OS will "do the right thing" automagically. Hmmm... Maybe.

    + best Bluetooth pairing with my Oticon Streamer I have experienced - no need to enter passcode or to manually connect; still need to test leaving and re-entering range to verify automatic reconnection. FYI, Oticon Streamer is functionally equivalent to any other Bluetooth headset. It communicates with my hearing aids via Near-Field Magnetic Induction, and with cellphones via Bluetooth

    + noise cancellation of running water and rattling paper sounds seemed effective at other end of call

    - confusing sequence during creation of new contacts - completing a new e-mail address usually led directly into an invitation to create a new IM contact; fewer clicks than iPhone, but entire affair was awkward; maybe just need more practice to get used to this

    + surprisingly accurate ASR (Automatic Speech Recognition)

    - unacceptable lag while speech segments are uploaded to servers and processed for ASR; Google needs to provision this service with much greater capacity

    + Android Calendar works very much like online Google Calendar; more streamlined than iPhone

    + glass keyboard process better than iPhone - as accurate, useful banner of suggestions, supposedly possible to view/edit accumulated dictionary

    - use of Shift key somewhat inconsistent and less polished than iPhone - sometimes Shift is sticky, sometimes pseudo-modal for only one subsequent alphabetic character; either is OK, but predictability is essential

    - 3G speeds seemed like molasses in January - and yes, 3G was on the entire time; my son's T-Mobile Sidekick seems much snappier during network transactions

    - very awkward implementation of select/cut/copy/paste - too modal, too fussy; iPhone far superior

    - no copying allowed of read-only text and images from Browser and received Gmail; this is absurd. Yes, iPhone failed here at first, too. This is a deal-killer until it's fixed.

    - no native Tasks application; 3rd-party solution, perhaps?

    - only 192 MB (or is it 512 MB? nobody seems to know for sure) for installed apps; supposedly this will be fixed "sometime" when Google quits worrying about piracy or finds a workable solution for storing apps on microSD cards

    - bizarre mode after entering Market app - glass keyboard stayed up... and up... and up... until Back... Back... Back... eventually closed the KB

    + most excellent implementation of status/notification; less instrusive than WebOS version

    + appreciate removable battery; would buy a couple of extras and use battery charger (assume that Seidio or equivalent will introduce this accessory soon)

    - why are all of these vendors so obsessed with thinness? I would prefer another 0.125" of thickness and batteries that last a full day under heavy usage

    - awkward to rely upon trackball for fine positioning; this just indicates a failure in imagination during touch-based interface design

    - no multi-touch; OK, so the hardware supports it... but it should be built in EVERYWHERE, just like speech enabling; + / - zoom control is a bit crude... and not always available

    TESTS FOR NEXT TIME

    1. Color wedges & photos to evaluate accuracy and gamut.

    2. Various A/V formats (familiar music, audio frequency and linearity tests, various video resolutions and formats and data rates).

    3. USB transfer speed.

    4. More extensive camera/camcorder tests (manual controls, focus, macro, upload to YouTube).

    5. Maps and Navigation (map caching upon loss of 2G/3G signal, 2G/3G map download speed, relative speeds of Map/Satellite/Street Views, usability while walking and driving).

    6. Reboot time after battery replacement.

    7. Ringer volume.

    8. Experiment with technique suggested by others: to get around lack of native Notes app, try embedding notes in Notes field of contacts all labeled "Note".

    9. Ease of dragging missed tasks forward in time.

    10. Search Android Market for apps equivalent to Palm (AreaCodes, BeeTagg, Cribbage, DeltaFlights, Documents To Go (I know this is available for Android), Files, FileZ, FlightStatus, Focus+, Klondike, LoanWizPro, MovieGuide, MunduRadio, NoahPro, NVBackup, Parens, ShortCut5, RPN, Thesaurus, TikTok).

    11. Overload system limits with "too many" apps; see how Android OS decides what to kill.

    12. Compare speed and ease of browsing CNN and NY Times between Palm Treo 755p and N1. Sure, everybody disses the Palm browser, but turn off image downloading, and you can zip through CNN and NY Times faster than you might believe.

    13. Test screen in bright sunlight.

    14. Leave/re-enter Bluetooth range to verify automatic reconnection with Streamer.

    BOTTOM LINE

    Very impressive overall. Real alternative to iPhone Closed Garden. Designers not as single-mindedly obsessed with clean and consistent GUI design as Apple, but let's assume that Android will only improve.
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    very good review and unbiased
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    Wow that was a great review for only having the phone for two hours!
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    Welcome to the forums!
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    nice work, thanks.

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    Very useful. Thanks for this. Looking forward to a follow-up.
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    poor review sorry, you need to own the phone to do a proper review on it. And as a palm person you sure mention iphone quite a few times.

    No need to bash Android just because it's destroying pre webos sales.
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    @ ridavid81

    You seem to disagree with the majority in this thread, therefor you're opinion is null and void.
    It's a good review partly because he doesn't own the phone, he's not looking at the phone as a $530 personal investment like so many others.
    He gives his honest opinion on key features & functions and even backs them up very well.
    You may not agree with some of them, but you can't assume that he's looking at the negative points about the phone just because he's a Palm user, but to me that justifies his opinion even more seeing how he has experience in other handsets and OS UIs to compare the Nexus One to....
    The title of this thread is "First impressions after two hard hours" so how would owning the phone really change the impression of the first two hours spent with it? This review shows the potential buyers what to expect when they first begin to tinker with their device.

    I'd like to see you do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm40 View Post
    @ ridavid81

    You seem to disagree with the majority in this thread, therefor you're opinion is null and void.
    It's a good review partly because he doesn't own the phone, he's not looking at the phone as a $530 personal investment like so many others.
    He gives his honest opinion on key features & functions and even backs them up very well.
    You may not agree with some of them, but you can't assume that he's looking at the negative points about the phone just because he's a Palm user, but to me that justifies his opinion even more seeing how he has experience in other handsets and OS UIs to compare the Nexus One to....
    The title of this thread is "First impressions after two hard hours" so how would owning the phone really change the impression of the first two hours spent with it? This review shows the potential buyers what to expect when they first begin to tinker with their device.

    I'd like to see you do better.
    Wow! Tell him how you really feel!
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    You can copy both read only text and images in the browser. For copy and paste of text just menu > select text then track ball and click on start point then scroll to end point then click again. For images just long press the image and select save image.



    Ps - i am typing this from the Nexus and copied and pasted this quote from you review: surprised that apps cannot be killed manually 3rd-party solution, perhaps?

    And yes there are several application kill apps in the market. I use TasKiller.
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    @cm40

    Sorry but to accept a review from someone who played around with a phone for 2 hours is not going to happen. I much rather have a professional review done such as the ones on CNET, phonescoop, android central, etc..

    Not some review thrown together in a forum from an obvious iphone/palm fan.
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    Guys... its a forum, relax. The stuff thats being said is ban-worthy. Watch your footing.
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    I'll take the 2hr review of an outside person over the biased reviews on the other mainstream sites.
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    I apologize







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    Quote Originally Posted by PJnc284 View Post
    I'll take the 2hr review of an outside person over the biased reviews on the other mainstream sites.
    Agreed One Hundred Percent!
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    Guys keep it civil will ya? Thanks.

    The OP simply gave his opinion and everyone has a right to them. But insulting people is not acceptable.
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    Jeremy -
    So I have an eris, and it is still not passed the 30 day mark for being able to return at verizon. I am contemplating, and really cannot decide, if I should turn in the eris and get the nexus one. There are a number of reasons why I am considering this: my last phone was a storm, worst experience ever, especially being my first touchscreen, the eris is great, i love it, but I figure now is the time to go all out since this is the phone Im going to have for a while, and the price difference isn't that significant (for the phone, not sure about plans). I don't mind using some beatup in the mid-time and waiting for the nexus.

    Don't get me wrong, the droid eris is the best phone I've had, and I am more than satisfied, but I got this itch now for google, and I think I may just have to scratch that shiz.

    Please advise...if I return, must go back very soon. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by micar511 View Post
    Jeremy -
    So I have an eris, and it is still not passed the 30 day mark for being able to return at verizon. I am contemplating, and really cannot decide, if I should turn in the eris and get the nexus one. There are a number of reasons why I am considering this: my last phone was a storm, worst experience ever, especially being my first touchscreen, the eris is great, i love it, but I figure now is the time to go all out since this is the phone Im going to have for a while, and the price difference isn't that significant (for the phone, not sure about plans). I don't mind using some beatup in the mid-time and waiting for the nexus.

    Don't get me wrong, the droid eris is the best phone I've had, and I am more than satisfied, but I got this itch now for google, and I think I may just have to scratch that shiz.

    Please advise...if I return, must go back very soon. Thanks
    Honestly if I were you i'd stay with Verizon. I just picked up with T-Mobile (bought my N1 un-subsidized), and coming from Sprint, T-Mobiles network is just craptastic. I'm getting 3G Down at 200kb/s, not nearly what it should be. Pages are slow to load etc...

    I'm just waiting for Verizon to release the N1 on their network, then i'm selling my T-Mobile variant and coming over to Verizon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micar511 View Post
    Jeremy -
    So I have an eris, and it is still not passed the 30 day mark for being able to return at verizon. I am contemplating, and really cannot decide, if I should turn in the eris and get the nexus one. There are a number of reasons why I am considering this: my last phone was a storm, worst experience ever, especially being my first touchscreen, the eris is great, i love it, but I figure now is the time to go all out since this is the phone Im going to have for a while, and the price difference isn't that significant (for the phone, not sure about plans). I don't mind using some beatup in the mid-time and waiting for the nexus.

    Don't get me wrong, the droid eris is the best phone I've had, and I am more than satisfied, but I got this itch now for google, and I think I may just have to scratch that shiz.

    Please advise...if I return, must go back very soon. Thanks
    Stay with Verizon until their version of the Nexus One comes out then switch to that. If you're accustomed to good 3G then you'll be severly dissapointed
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    Quote Originally Posted by micar511 View Post
    Jeremy -
    So I have an eris, and it is still not passed the 30 day mark for being able to return at verizon. I am contemplating, and really cannot decide, if I should turn in the eris and get the nexus one. There are a number of reasons why I am considering this: my last phone was a storm, worst experience ever, especially being my first touchscreen, the eris is great, i love it, but I figure now is the time to go all out since this is the phone Im going to have for a while, and the price difference isn't that significant (for the phone, not sure about plans). I don't mind using some beatup in the mid-time and waiting for the nexus.

    Don't get me wrong, the droid eris is the best phone I've had, and I am more than satisfied, but I got this itch now for google, and I think I may just have to scratch that shiz.

    Please advise...if I return, must go back very soon. Thanks
    i think you should trade in your eris and get the nexus one if you can get it at the susidized price. im not sure about verizons policy on returning phones, but if you can return the eris right now and use an old phone until the n1 comes out on verizon, do that.

    you would only have to wait a few months at the most and you would have a better phone than you would have been using over the next 2 years.
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    i would pay pull full price for a cheap phone at full retail, stay with verizon non-contract, then just wait another few weeks. i'm seeing too many unhappy nexus one users and the problems will not all be fixed with OS patches.

    I'm thinking of keeping my Blackberry Curve for the time being. I might wait a couple of months as see what devices from CES actually go public.

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    Good review dude.

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