non-removable battery. Are there advantages?

**zer0vette** · 10-10-2012, 10:02 AM

I'm definitely a passenger on the removable battery train, but it's all I've ever known.

Are there advantages to a non-removable battery? The only thing i can think of is that a device without a battery door might allow a more rigid device feel.

**kkapoorr** · 10-10-2012, 10:09 AM

It'll be thinner than others.
Also it'll be better looking IMO, cause I don't like flimsy back covers....

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**Erckul** · 10-10-2012, 03:27 PM

my concern is that when we root the phone (thus voiding the warranty) and a battery issue occurs....are we screwed and have to buy a brand new phone? will we be able to have the phone replaced? it won't be as if we can just do a battery pull to help with issues or replace a bad battery.

**emoeskaite** · 10-10-2012, 04:04 PM

No advantages. This is a BIG disadvantage. Let's say you are going camping where there is no electricity--you can't have an extra battery on you. I don't get this stupid idea, hope this is only rumors. Where will the SIM slot be located if the phone is unopenable..?

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**bp3dots** · 10-10-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Erckul

my concern is that when we root the phone (thus voiding the warranty) and a battery issue occurs....are we screwed and have to buy a brand new phone? will we be able to have the phone replaced? it won't be as if we can just do a battery pull to help with issues or replace a bad battery.

There is always a physical button combo that will reset like a battery pull would.

Originally Posted by emoeskaite

No advantages. This is a BIG disadvantage. Let's say you are going camping where there is no electricity--you can't have an extra battery on you. I don't get this stupid idea, hope this is only rumors. Where will the SIM slot be located if the phone is unopenable..?

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Portable charger or even a solar charger (great for the outdoorsy types)

Built in batteries are usually higher capacity as well, so you get more running time. And SIM/SD cards go in small slots around the edge of the phone.

**AzD** · 10-10-2012, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by bp3dots

Built in batteries are usually higher capacity as well, so you get more running time.

WHAT? Where do you get this from?

**jim302** · 10-10-2012, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by AzD

WHAT? Where do you get this from?

With a built in battery, the device is the case so you can use a lithium polymer battery without its own case and not worry about a spare battery getting punctured in someone's pocket (which would destroy the battery and possibly even set fire to someone's pants). The protective casing for a removable battery can take up a noticeable amount of room.

In other words a larger battery can be crammed into a smaller space.

Personally I still prefer a removable battery. The size and weight tradeoff is worth it. However, I can't think of any recent tablets that have removable batteries and don't hear a lot of complaints about that. So the lack of a removable battery is not a deal killer for me, especially if the battery isn't too hard to replace when it fails.

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**primevyl** · 10-10-2012, 11:23 PM

Lol..pants fire...shouldn't have been lying

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**emoeskaite** · 10-11-2012, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by primevyl

Lol..pants fire...shouldn't have been lying

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It may also explode in your pocket like a granade and rip you apart

careful with those things...

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**w3bMaster101** · 10-11-2012, 04:10 AM

Solar charger ? really? ....

When i have a day i know i won't spend at the office, i like having a second battery on me, because those days usually get pretty crazy and usually before the day ends, the battery in my galaxy nexus drains out.
I am always on the move, running from a client to another, sometimes by car, sometimes not, etc... bottom line i can't rely on portable chargers because i don't know if i'll be able to use them. I can't take a wall charger because i don't know how much time i'll spend in one place, and also because it would be stupid having to plugin in and plug out the charger every 5-10 minutes in each room i visit.

Solar charger... i don't even want to get into that one... but i'm sure you can imagine how great it would be having to carry one of those around, and giving it enough light in my pocket... Should i perhaps buy myself a portable power generator, running on petrol? yeah...

I was really waiting for the next nexus phone, but if the LG rumors turn out to be true, and that'll be the only nexus phone... it would be very disappointing for me...

**BrotherFromAnotherMother** · 10-11-2012, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by w3bMaster101

Solar charger ? really? ....

When i have a day i know i won't spend at the office, i like having a second battery on me, because those days usually get pretty crazy and usually before the day ends, the battery in my galaxy nexus drains out.
I am always on the move, running from a client to another, sometimes by car, sometimes not, etc... bottom line i can't rely on portable chargers because i don't know if i'll be able to use them. I can't take a wall charger because i don't know how much time i'll spend in one place, and also because it would be stupid having to plugin in and plug out the charger every 5-10 minutes in each room i visit.

I think it runs off of magnets, so there's no telling how it works. I've also seen them with lithium ion batteries instead of AA.

Originally Posted by w3bMaster101

Solar charger... i don't even want to get into that one... but i'm sure you can imagine how great it would be having to carry one of those around, and giving it enough light in my pocket... Should i perhaps buy myself a portable power generator, running on petrol? yeah...

I was really waiting for the next nexus phone, but if the LG rumors turn out to be true, and that'll be the only nexus phone... it would be very disappointing for me...

Take a breather and read

Originally Posted by emoeskaite

Let's say you are going camping where there is no electricity--you can't have an extra battery on you.

Which illicits this

Originally Posted by bp3dots

Portable charger or even a solar charger (great for the outdoorsy types).

**Shadowriver** · 10-11-2012, 12:53 PM

Ofcrose only advantage is the thiner size (well it's debatable if it's advantage, personally like thicker phones) since manufacture don't need to place double back cover for battery and hardware.

But there one thing, non-removable battery is usally not aboslutly non-removable battery, it's simply less-serviceable for user, but replacement is possible and considering we got smartphone manics here that replace phone at least every year i don't think battery will able to short it's life to level of annoce so quickly. Ofcorse other loss is emergency way to turn off phone, but usually holding power button usally do the job right on complete freeze. I got iPod touch and never had situation where i need to wait until batter went off and i never needed to remove battery on my Galaxy S2 yet either, so for me it's not a big loss and i think less storage is more annoying issue(i starting to see that on my Galaxy S2 ;p i need to by SD card for it one day)

**Wolvan** · 10-11-2012, 01:37 PM

Get a portable power pack. Bunch of people make them. I have a little one from iTrent that I purchased for my wife since she is horrible about plugging her phone in. Its about the size of an older feature phone, carries a 3500 mamp battery, can charge and discharge. And you can use them to charge all types of electronics with different cables (it has a USB out plug, just use the right adapter or cable for your device). And they make bigger one's upto 10000 mamp.

**bp3dots** · 10-11-2012, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by w3bMaster101

Solar charger ? really? ....

When i have a day i know i won't spend at the office, i like having a second battery on me, because those days usually get pretty crazy and usually before the day ends, the battery in my galaxy nexus drains out.
I am always on the move, running from a client to another, sometimes by car, sometimes not, etc... bottom line i can't rely on portable chargers because i don't know if i'll be able to use them. I can't take a wall charger because i don't know how much time i'll spend in one place, and also because it would be stupid having to plugin in and plug out the charger every 5-10 minutes in each room i visit.

Solar charger... i don't even want to get into that one... but i'm sure you can imagine how great it would be having to carry one of those around, and giving it enough light in my pocket... Should i perhaps buy myself a portable power generator, running on petrol? yeah...

I was really waiting for the next nexus phone, but if the LG rumors turn out to be true, and that'll be the only nexus phone... it would be very disappointing for me...

Solar charger, as I was responding to a statement about camping. There is generally not a lack of sunlight in the great outdoors. Also, the solar chargers that I had in mind have a built in battery that will store a charge. Leave it on the car seat and you've got a few charges easy as pie, just grab and go. You can also get small non-solar portable chargers that are battery based, and don't need an outlet. (I have one of these) They are small, can be plugged in in a pocket, and bonus, can be shared if someone in the group needs a charge too while you're out and about.

Amazing how varied the choices are when you look around.

**dgwood12** · 10-11-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by bp3dots

There is always a physical button combo that will reset like a battery pull would.

Although there might always be a physical button combo, it doesn't mean that combo will always work. If the phone locks up every now and then it won't recognize the physical buttons being pushed.

This is evident on my galaxy tab 10.1 which suffers from what is called the sleep of death. Every now and then something goes wrong and my tabs screen won't turn on. There is a physical button combo to reset but often in these sleeps of death this combo does nothing. Since the tab has an internal battery there is nothing I can do except wait for the battery to drain for the tab to reset. This can sometimes take several days depending on the battery level when the sleep of death occurs.

So, there is a big advantage to removable batteries when it comes to messing with your phone with the fact that you can -always- reset by a battery pull.

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**Shadowriver** · 10-11-2012, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by dgwood12

Although there might always be a physical button combo, it doesn't mean that combo will always work. If the phone locks up every now and then it won't recognize the physical buttons being pushed.

This is evident on my galaxy tab 10.1 which suffers from what is called the sleep of death. Every now and then something goes wrong and my tabs screen won't turn on. There is a physical button combo to reset but often in these sleeps of death this combo does nothing. Since the tab has an internal battery there is nothing I can do except wait for the battery to drain for the tab to reset. This can sometimes take several days depending on the battery level when the sleep of death occurs.

So, there is a big advantage to removable batteries when it comes to messing with your phone with the fact that you can -always- reset by a battery pull.

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In a wake it should work, since it's usually independent function of motherboard (or else it was not implemented on it, which in case of non-removable batter it needs to), it is build exactly for case where CPU get locked up. In your case it, sleep is specific power state in which hardware work in limited nature and that feature might be unreachable.

**Phil Nickinson** · 10-12-2012, 09:56 AM

Here's the advantage: Every manufacturer I've talked to says it saves on thickness and can allow for larger capacity. Every. Single. One.

That said, you've got the GS3.

**dwd3885** · 10-12-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Phil Nickinson

Here's the advantage: Every manufacturer I've talked to says it saves on thickness and can allow for larger capacity. Every. Single. One.

That said, you've got the GS3.

Right. I'd like phones to have longer lasting battery and be thin, but you are right, the S3 does last LONGER than a lot of phones with built-in battery and it is thinner!

**mgullick** · 01-14-2013, 12:07 PM

I'm still using the DINC 2. Recently it locked HARD. No key presses of any kind would register. The only way I was able to get the phone back in service was by pulling the battery. This is pretty much the ONLY thing that worries me about a non-removable battery. Can anybody verify that this will be a non-issue with a phone that has a permanently installed battery?

(I'm eligible for a new phone Mid February so I'm looking into this issue now.)

**SOLGarion** · 01-14-2013, 12:22 PM

Whats with all the zombie threads today. Need to invest in a machete...

**Hubertsng** · 01-14-2013, 12:23 PM

Only advantage is that it is more form and rigid as you say and when your device falls, the battery doesn't fall out but your device does break... :/

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**minnemike** · 01-14-2013, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by w3bMaster101

Solar charger ? really? ....

Haha! How about this for an invention.... I want to design a pair of pants that incorporates a power generator sourced from the movement of your legs back and forth as you walk. Your phone could be hooked up via some connection in your pocket and be charged as you walk along.

**bobjohnson201** · 01-14-2013, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by markgbe

I'm definitely a passenger on the removable battery train, but it's all I've ever known.

Are there advantages to a non-removable battery? The only thing i can think of is that a device without a battery door might allow a more rigid device feel.

design advantages, ie it can be thinner/sexier

**Johnly** · 01-14-2013, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by SOLGarion

Whats with all the zombie threads today. Need to invest in a machete...

Totally..... brains..... need brains!

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**Johnly** · 01-14-2013, 01:49 PM

That said, it is cheaper to build the battery in the device and not go through the trouble to make it removable. Phones today are already very thin. Do you need them thinner? Of course. Is making the battery non removable the only way? Of course not. It is a factor, but not the only one. As battery technology improves, they will become thinner and able to hold more capacity. Question is, how thin before it becomes too thin? I am not going to lie, the sgs3 and note 2 feel about perfect to me. Just enough edge to make gripping the phone comfortable, and pleasant.

Are the advantages so severe in either direction that we will no longer see removable batteries? I hope the choice does not go away. Manufactures know many of us love the option and I hope that removable batteries are here to stay

Think about it, phones are the smallest computers available, with the variety of manufactures, it is nice to stand out from the quid pro quo, and I suspect that business's realize this and some elect to offer the option, fulfilling customer demand

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