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    Slow lane: why Google's new Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE | The Verge

    Google may be getting serious about selling hardware with the Nexus 4, but not so serious that it's willing to compromise with carriers, and compromising with carriers is the only way to make LTE work.

    And there's precious little to suggest working with carriers is even in Google's best interests, or in the best interests of Nexus customers. The Galaxy Nexus was announced last year with a promised LTE version on Verizon, but the carrier held back releasing the phone for months to promote its own Droid RAZR instead. Google eventually grew tired of waiting and sent unlocked HSPA+ devices to reviewers. And software updates for Nexus phones sold through carriers have been problematic as well: it took the Verizon three full months to disseminate the Android 4.1 Jelly Bean update to its Galaxy Nexus, slightly longer than Sprint. That's actually better than it used to be with carrier-partnered Nexus devices, but still much longer what Google can achieve without carrier intervention and far too long in a marketplace where Apple has set a standard for simultaneous worldwide software distribution across multiple carriers.

    ...that means that the Nexus 4 will only be available as an unlocked HSPA+ device.
    dmmarck and motoGEEKer like this.
    10-29-2012 02:48 PM
  2. Ry's Avatar
    I'll wait to see if there's a huge advertising blitz for the Nexus 4. $299 unlocked, no-contract from the Play Store is compelling. That's a DROID RAZR MAXX on contract right now.

    If Google doesn't go all-out marketing availability of this device and/or no LTE carrier variants are released, I'll continue to think of Nexus as just a "hobby" for Google.
    10-29-2012 02:55 PM
  3. jd914's Avatar
    I'm glad Google is saying no to CDMA carriers. Leave it up to Verizon and Sprint to screw up the timely updates that Nexus devices should get. How long did it take for Sprint and Verizon to release Jellybean? Pretty much defeats the purpose of having a Nexus devices when your on one of these two carriers. PLUS Verizon screwed up by blocking Google wallet initially on the Galaxy Nexus. I'm sure Google wont repeat this mistake again by making devices available to such control freaks, more power to them.
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    10-29-2012 03:07 PM
  4. bunique4life05's Avatar
    I'll wait to see if there's a huge advertising blitz for the Nexus 4. $299 unlocked, no-contract from the Play Store is compelling. That's a DROID RAZR MAXX on contract right now.

    If Google doesn't go all-out marketing availability of this device and no LTE carrier variants are released, I'll continue to think of Nexus as just a "hobby" for Google.
    This one thing we can both agree on except I always thought of Google as a kind at the playground playing in a sandbox labeled "Nexus".

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Android Central Forums
    10-29-2012 03:13 PM
  5. bjones521's Avatar
    Its unfortunate but after reading this article the Nexus 4 will never go to a cdma carrier. Im staying with sprint and my s3. I would have loved to get the nexus 4 but, Its not coming. I think google had enough of cdma carriers.
    10-29-2012 03:40 PM
  6. acegolfer's Avatar
    Yay! I'm out of sprint contract and will be ditching sero for n4.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    10-29-2012 04:14 PM
  7. dd0yl3's Avatar
    No one blame besides Verizon.
    10-29-2012 04:27 PM
  8. qnet's Avatar
    I'm sorry for those who are on Verizon & Sprint who can't get the Nexus 4 but, I'm glad Google is doing it this way. This is how it all started before with the Nexus One. I don't care if it doesn't out sell other phones, it's the type of phone I like (unlocked pure Google). Hopefully some day a company like Light-squared will be able to offer LTE as an alternative to Verizon or At&t.
    10-29-2012 04:34 PM
  9. Small_law's Avatar
    It's a high road for Google to take. Phones that have to have 3G and LTE radios are not ideal.
    10-29-2012 04:34 PM
  10. Mellimel22's Avatar
    I'm glad Google is saying no to CDMA carriers. Leave it up to Verizon and Sprint to screw up the timely updates that Nexus devices should get. How long did it take for Sprint and Verizon to release Jellybean? Pretty much defeats the purpose of having a Nexus devices when your on one of these two carriers. PLUS Verizon screwed up by blocking Google wallet initially on the Galaxy Nexus. I'm sure Google wont repeat this mistake again by making devices available to such control freaks, more power to them.
    Actually the ns4g got jb before the gsm nexus s got it the same for the sprint sgs3

    Sent from my White Epic 4g Touch rockin Jellybean using Tapatalk 2
    10-29-2012 04:39 PM
  11. John-Smith's Avatar
    Well my contract with sprint is up in 3 days.. Looks like I'm leaving because I REALLLY want this phone. And I did the math and buying this phone and switching to T-mobile will make me save $300/year as opposed to be buying the GS3 by extending my Sprint contract.

    I just hope T-mobile has good service?
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    10-29-2012 05:26 PM
  12. GatorGrad's Avatar
    I get the crowd that's excited about Google saying enough with CDMA 4G but from a business standpoint, they're basically cutting off their nose to spite their face. AT&T and Verizon are the largest subscriber bases out there and both have the iPhone with LTE. How many customers do you reallly think are going to say, sure I'll take a terrible data connection just to have access to this phone. Not many. Yeah, Google gets to stand on their high horse and proclaim that they didn't give in but that doesn't count for much (if anything) when a company is trying to gaine market share. I have Verizon and I have a Galaxy Nexus. I HATE all the brand-specific skins for Android and love the Nexus. Am I willing to downgrade to 3G? Heck no. If there are no other options when my contract is up I'll get an iPhone instead. How're those principles helping out Google now?
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    10-29-2012 05:40 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    I get the crowd that's excited about Google saying enough with CDMA 4G but from a business standpoint, they're basically cutting off their nose to spite their face. AT&T and Verizon are the largest subscriber bases out there and both have the iPhone with LTE. How many customers do you reallly think are going to say, sure I'll take a terrible data connection just to have access to this phone. Not many. Yeah, Google gets to stand on their high horse and proclaim that they didn't give in but that doesn't count for much (if anything) when a company is trying to gaine market share. I have Verizon and I have a Galaxy Nexus. I HATE all the brand-specific skins for Android and love the Nexus. Am I willing to downgrade to 3G? Heck no. If there are no other options when my contract is up I'll get an iPhone instead. How're those principles helping out Google now?
    Again, here's the thing..

    Does Google want the Nexus to be the iPhone? Remember - Google is already getting everything they want and need out of all of the Android devices running Google services. Android is already winning the marketshare battle.

    I think the perfect storm would be for Google to release a phone like this at that price after T-Mobile has purchased and integrated MetroPCS.
    10-29-2012 05:46 PM
  14. JM4G1C's Avatar
    I have Verizon and I have a Galaxy Nexus. I HATE all the brand-specific skins for Android and love the Nexus. Am I willing to downgrade to 3G? Heck no. If there are no other options when my contract is up I'll get an iPhone instead.
    Took the words right out of my mou... or keyboard... at any rate "what he said". I've only had my Galaxy Nexus for a few months now and I absolutely love it... however... with this latest development I can't see myself going back to the skinned Android route with the S3... no matter how great a phone it is or the availability of custom ROMs... might as well... gasp... hop on the LTE iPhone 5 wagon and call it a day!
    10-29-2012 05:47 PM
  15. 6tr6tr's Avatar
    Well my contract with sprint is up in 3 days.. Looks like I'm leaving because I REALLLY want this phone. And I did the math and buying this phone and switching to T-mobile will make me save $300/year as opposed to be buying the GS3 by extending my Sprint contract.

    I just hope T-mobile has good service?
    It only has HSPA+ 21, which is half the speed of the modern HSPA+ 41. From what I've read, HSPA+ 21 sees about 2mbps in most places. There are areas where you can get lucky and get more than that but it's not LTE.
    10-29-2012 05:53 PM
  16. Shadowriver's Avatar
    I get the crowd that's excited about Google saying enough with CDMA 4G but from a business standpoint, they're basically cutting off their nose to spite their face. AT&T and Verizon are the largest subscriber bases out there and both have the iPhone with LTE. How many customers do you reallly think are going to say, sure I'll take a terrible data connection just to have access to this phone. Not many. Yeah, Google gets to stand on their high horse and proclaim that they didn't give in but that doesn't count for much (if anything) when a company is trying to gaine market share. I have Verizon and I have a Galaxy Nexus. I HATE all the brand-specific skins for Android and love the Nexus. Am I willing to downgrade to 3G? Heck no. If there are no other options when my contract is up I'll get an iPhone instead. How're those principles helping out Google now?
    Thing is hard to maintain 2nd version of device just to satisfy 2 networks in US where the rest use GSM and it seems like they like to keep nexus 4 out of carriers dirty marketing hands. Sprint/Verizon always will have that problem as they choose less-popular (if not practically dead among carriers) mobile network standard, as long as they use it they will have problem to deliver you latest devices... yes, they the one who need to deliver you device by CDMA limitations. I know that for them at this point it's hard to switch to GSM... but still it's there problem, not manufactures that would need to please just 2 networks in US.
    10-29-2012 05:54 PM
  17. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    It only has HSPA+ 21, which is half the speed of the modern HSPA+ 41. From what I've read, HSPA+ 21 sees about 2mbps in most places. There are areas where you can get lucky and get more than that but it's not LTE.
    Poor service area.

    And it's been confirmed to have 42mbps HSPA+.
    10-29-2012 05:54 PM
  18. dmmarck's Avatar
    Well my contract with sprint is up in 3 days.. Looks like I'm leaving because I REALLLY want this phone. And I did the math and buying this phone and switching to T-mobile will make me save $300/year as opposed to be buying the GS3 by extending my Sprint contract.

    I just hope T-mobile has good service?
    That's the big debate for myself--I may try AT&T prepaid to be honest.
    10-29-2012 05:55 PM
  19. trunks527's Avatar
    Any of you guys follow mobile panda? He hinted at maybe a nexus release for Verizon in Jan.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    10-29-2012 06:00 PM
  20. Woosh's Avatar
    Well my contract with sprint is up in 3 days.. Looks like I'm leaving because I REALLLY want this phone. And I did the math and buying this phone and switching to T-mobile will make me save $300/year as opposed to be buying the GS3 by extending my Sprint contract.

    I just hope T-mobile has good service?
    I suggest you try the $30 T-Mo Walmart plan for a month and test service in your area. If it isn't good you might want to go the route of Straight talk if you can maintain your data usage.


    That's the big debate for myself--I may try AT&T prepaid to be honest.
    I suggest checking into Straight Talk, better price than the AT&T prepaid and use same towers. Just a suggestion.
    10-29-2012 06:00 PM
  21. dmmarck's Avatar
    Any of you guys follow mobile panda? He hinted at maybe a nexus release for Verizon in Jan.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    Yes, there's also a thread about BMX's rumor (or at least largely discussing it) somewhere in here..
    10-29-2012 06:04 PM
  22. John-Smith's Avatar
    I suggest you try the $30 T-Mo Walmart plan for a month and test service in your area. If it isn't good you might want to go the route of Straight talk if you can maintain your data usage.




    I suggest checking into Straight Talk, better price than the AT&T prepaid and use same towers. Just a suggestion.
    Thanks for the suggestion, I was looking into that $30/month 100 talk, unlimited text/data plan. Since I mainly text it would be perfect. The straighttalk thing looks pretty ghetto though.
    10-29-2012 06:22 PM
  23. trunks527's Avatar
    Yes, there's also a thread about BMX's rumor (or at least largely discussing it) somewhere in here..
    Would love to get the new nexus on Verizon. At&t and tmo are horrible up here. Plus gotta love lte

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
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    10-29-2012 06:48 PM
  24. Woosh's Avatar
    Thanks for the suggestion, I was looking into that $30/month 100 talk, unlimited text/data plan. Since I mainly text it would be perfect. The straighttalk thing looks pretty ghetto though.
    Not sure what's ghetto about straight talk. I had it for about 8 months and it was near flawless for me.

    The 100 minute plan is awesome if you can get away with it but straight talk offers better coverage because it runs on att towers instead of t mobile.

    There are more options as well but those are mostly the best options for the price.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    10-29-2012 06:57 PM
  25. GatorGrad's Avatar
    Thing is hard to maintain 2nd version of device just to satisfy 2 networks in US where the rest use GSM and it seems like they like to keep nexus 4 out of carriers dirty marketing hands. Sprint/Verizon always will have that problem as they choose less-popular (if not practically dead among carriers) mobile network standard, as long as they use it they will have problem to deliver you latest devices... yes, they the one who need to deliver you device by CDMA limitations. I know that for them at this point it's hard to switch to GSM... but still it's there problem, not manufactures that would need to please just 2 networks in US.
    Two things, Apple is managing to handle the various standards pretty well with their iPhone. Yes, there are differences in how updates roll out to iOS (which is one uniform OS) vs Android (which is a fragmented OS) but the hardware argument makes no sense in light of Apple's success. Second, it's not the carriers' problem unless the manufacturers make it the carriers' problem and so far it seems like Google has decided to be the only manufacturer making that stand. Verizon and AT&T have, by FAR, the largest subscriber base in the US. While CDMA might be an antiquated system, for all intents and purposes it's America's system. If a manufacturer wants to get massive adoption of a device in the US then the device needs to work on CDMA. Bemoaning the oddity of CDMA standards isn't going to change anything and Google's odd stance just doesn't make sense. Almost all of Google's anti-LTE arguments lack any substance. If, in fact, Google believed half of what they claim are reasons not to include LTE then Apple is an exponentially better engineer than Google since the iPhone manages to overcome just about everything Google complains about. And before anyone starts, I've had an Android since the Original Droid. I love Android. Unfortunately I love LTE more. Google's argument would be like Time Warner coming out and saying that HD programming is too bandwidth intensive and so from now on they're only going to offer standard definition cable boxes.
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    10-29-2012 07:10 PM
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