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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinaguy99 View Post
    It's not LG's phone, it's Google's and Andy Rubin said point blank, NO CDMA/LTE. Don't like it, don't buy it.
    Care to share the exact Rubin quote?


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    Lg will eventually release a CDMA model of the nexus 4, their not going to leave sprint, or Verizon THE nations largest carrier out of the picture, that would just be plain stupid.

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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Quote Originally Posted by blessedred View Post
    Do you not realize that the Nexus 4 doesn't run on AT&T and Spritn survices and with people not wanting to leave their carrier like me obviously the next best thing is the Optimus G. And are you sure it's a better phone? Considering the Sprint Optimus G I'm going to get comes with 32g onboard storage and the one on AT&T comes with 16g and micro sd card slot. So in my mind it's just preference. Do you want to root your phone and have stock Android or do you want a phone with a skin that has stuff baked into it. Do you want more storage or do you want fast updates. Do you want to leave your carrer or do you want to stay on. And honestly all 3 designs of the crystal reflection process that LG made with the global/Sprint Optimus G, AT&T Optimus G, and the Nexus 4 are all beautiful and we can all marvel at the design
    The Nexus 4 will absolutely run on AT&T.

    Just not AT&T's new LTE network.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Quote Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post
    Google is working with LG (Nexus 4), ASUS (Nexus 7) and Samsung (Nexus 10) to make reference devices to showcase the experience Google wants to make.
    P.S. there's three of "five OEMs getting early access to Android".
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    Default So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    The average wireless customer is going to see things like *4G* and *SUBSIDIZED*, and not understand the appeal of the N4. Also, look at how many VZW customers there are. Optimus G has its place.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    I wouldn't say LG is eating itself at all. If anything, I think it's a great idea to have a Nexus 4 and Optimus G on the market. The Nexus brand carriers with it the idea of bleeding edge updates, pure Android, an unlockable bootloader, etc. It's generally considered an enthusiasts phone. The Optimus G on the other hand offers the great features to users who may be intimidated by a Nexus phone, or simply have no desire to play around under the hood.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Quote Originally Posted by jcsugrue View Post
    I wouldn't say LG is eating itself at all. If anything, I think it's a great idea to have a Nexus 4 and Optimus G on the market. The Nexus brand carriers with it the idea of bleeding edge updates, pure Android, an unlockable bootloader, etc. It's generally considered an enthusiasts phone. The Optimus G on the other hand offers the great features to users who may be intimidated by a Nexus phone, or simply have no desire to play around under the hood.
    Google is probably paying LG extra (read: subsidizing) to make the Nexus 4 too.



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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    LG is banking on the people who wanted LTE on the Nexus 4, is basically the same phone but with LTE and all they have to do is root it and flash stock android. whhalllaaaa nexus 4 with lte
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    LG needs to re-market themselves in the phone world. Google gave them an offer which can do it, if people want LTE and a micro sd card which Nexus lacks (tbh I dont care about these) they can go to the Optimus, so in away they are actually doing something smart.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Some people say it does some say it doesn't I'm not sure.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    For me, I bought the LGOG off craigslist to test out LG's build quality on their newest devices. It's a solid phone. Not a single creak, which is far better than I can say about my SGS3, SGS2 and half-dozen other phones from various manufacturers. The screen is brilliant, the software doesn't hiccup a bit and the only thing I'm debating on is the absence of LTE on the Nexus, which I'll test side-by-side on T-Mo's DC-HSPA network here in LA before I decide which one to keep. In the past, on AT&T's HSPA+ network I have struggled to get more than 3 down and 2 up, but their LTE network is coming along nicely - and I'm not sure how badly I want to give it up for the pure-google experience the Nexus will offer. I hope T-Mo's network knows what it's in for when the Nexus finally ships!!

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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Quote Originally Posted by katamari201 View Post
    I've been wondering this since the rumors began about an LG made Nexus that was almost identical to the Optimus G. In fact, now that its been announced, is an even better version of the Optimus G. The design is much better looking, none of that L-shape boxy nonsense. The processor and RAM is identical. The camera is identical to the 8MP version (the 13MP is a sham), identical screen, and even the shiny nexus-y back pattern is a million times better looking than the ugly crystal dimple thing on the Optimus G. You also get the latest Android update of course, none of that complicated stuff with the LG skin. And for only $299! Or $349, if you need the space. Either way, it is almost half the cost of an Optimus G, which will probably retail for $599.

    Why is LG doing this? Releasing a competing product to its flagship phone that is better in almost every respect, especially the price? Also, it's pretty much guaranteed that they are selling it at a break-even price, no profit, just like the Nexus 7. You wouldn't be able to achieve that amazing pricepoint of $299 otherwise. The Optimus G is suppose to be LG's money maker. What in the world are they doing?
    The Optimus G is a carbon fiber back with glass on it. I think its a nice looking phone and it has a MicroSD slot. Id think about getting one if it were n T-Mobile but for me, the biggest reason to get a Nexus is the much faster updates. The Optimus G wont.
    What are they doing? I dont know but LG phones arent exactly popular so maybe they think this will help.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Quote Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post
    I don't get the basic thesis of the OP. It sounds like, "Boo hoo! LG is going to hurt itself by offering customers similar but different phones at different price points! Waaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!"

    Who the eff cares?!?

    As others have noted, you can't use a Nexus 4 on Verizon or Sprint (i.e. CDMA networks) and Google had to sacrifice LTE rather than put up with Verizon's BS that made the GNex such a disappointment. It's also important to remember that this isn't the "LG Nexus 4" as much as the "Google Nexus 4 (made by LG)." This really good video made by The Verge details how Google brought LG designers physically into the Googleplex in order to get the design they wanted:



    Google is working with LG (Nexus 4), ASUS (Nexus 7) and Samsung (Nexus 10) to make reference devices to showcase the experience Google wants to make. I haven't checked, but is anyone crying in the Galaxy Tab forums over Samsung "eating itself" for partnering on the N10?

    I'm fed up with Sprint's slow-*** slow data speeds and non-existent 4G of any stripe, not even HSPA+, and was going to bail for AT&T and a Galaxy 3, but held off, waiting for an Amazon penny sale and to see what the new phones were like. With the Nexus 4 being unlocked, I'm going to give AT&T-backed Straight Talk a shot. $45/mo. versus the $78 I'm paying to Sprint = SOLD!!! Bring it on!
    How arebu getting on the naggers then nag about sprint lol. Im in Chicago and sprint needs spectrum here but I still avg 10mb DL speeds on wimax and 1mb on 3g so if sprint isn't working for u then leave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziptied View Post
    They aren't, the Nexus has and always will have a specific audience, the Optimus G is more of a broad range, that and manufacturers WANT to make "the next nexus" they consider it an honor to work with google on their baby. It also gives them first crack at the newest OS version to help their own OS's and features they'd like on their own UI's.
    The Nexus 4 has a pretty broad audience now with its price point.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Quote Originally Posted by masqueofhastur View Post
    The Nexus 4 has a pretty broad audience now with its price point.
    It does but it could of had a lot more if it offered 32GB of memory. I get many wanted LTE as well but LTE isnt used much anywhere yet accept for the USA and Verizon is on a CDMA carrier where most of the world is on GSM. So imo more memory alone would of gave it a broader audience. Look what it did for the N7.
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    Give it up man, the dead horse is beaten.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Actually, I went into a T-Mobile store last week and found the Nexus 4 on display as soon as I came in. The actual product was sold out. The Galaxy Nexus advertisements was plastering Verizon for months. So yes people can find the nexus in stores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatotherdude12345 View Post
    Actually, I went into a T-Mobile store last week and found the Nexus 4 on display as soon as I came in. The actual product was sold out. The Galaxy Nexus advertisements was plastering Verizon for months. So yes people can find the nexus in stores.
    They can, but the question is, will the average consumer actually buy one?

    Most people who walk into a T-Mo store are going to want a subsidized phone. That's the expected model, and if you're going to sign up for a postpaid plan like most Americans do you might as well get the subsidy to go with it. The Gillette model is alive and well in the USA.

    Walk into a T-Mo store right now. Chances are, you'll see a HUGE SIGN that the HTC One S, the Optimus 9, and a few other phones are free. The Galaxy S2 is $150, the S3 is $280, and the Note II is $370. Most of the above are 4G phones. Many have SD slots. Most importantly, they'll all be on display in every store.

    If you haven't been made aware of the Nexus 4, you'll not know to call ahead to find a store that carries it, talk to sales reps at that store until you find someone who has heard of it. Then you'll shell out $200 for a subsidized phone without LTE, without an SD card, no headphones in the case, etc.

    Those of us who value the N4 for what it does are valuing it for something that the majority of phone owners in the US are (a) unaware of, (b) if made aware of it probably wouldn't care, and (c) if made aware of it and cared would only see it as one factor among many decidin... OH, LOOK, LTE!

    With apologies to Douglas Adams:

    Arthur Dent: You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to the Nexus 4 had you? I mean like actually telling anyone or anything.
    T-Mobile Rep: But the phones were on display...
    Arthur Dent: On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.
    T-Mo Rep: That's the display department.
    AD: With a torch.
    T: Ah, well the lights had probably gone.
    AD: So had the stairs.
    T: But, look, you found the Nexus didn't you?
    AD: 'Yes. Yes, I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of The Leopard".
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Aside from the sense of dread I have that I am going to drop and shatter this thing, I am very impressed with the phone. Based on this hardware (so far) I would buy another LG phone in the future. So there you go.
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    Default Re: So the Nexus 4 just killed the Optimus G. Why is LG eating itself?

    Quote Originally Posted by katamari201 View Post
    I've been wondering this since the rumors began about an LG made Nexus that was almost identical to the Optimus G. In fact, now that its been announced, is an even better version of the Optimus G. The design is much better looking, none of that L-shape boxy nonsense. The processor and RAM is identical. The camera is identical to the 8MP version (the 13MP is a sham), identical screen, and even the shiny nexus-y back pattern is a million times better looking than the ugly crystal dimple thing on the Optimus G. You also get the latest Android update of course, none of that complicated stuff with the LG skin. And for only $299! Or $349, if you need the space. Either way, it is almost half the cost of an Optimus G, which will probably retail for $599.

    Why is LG doing this? Releasing a competing product to its flagship phone that is better in almost every respect, especially the price? Also, it's pretty much guaranteed that they are selling it at a break-even price, no profit, just like the Nexus 7. You wouldn't be able to achieve that amazing pricepoint of $299 otherwise. The Optimus G is suppose to be LG's money maker. What in the world are they doing?
    This makes absolutely no sense to me. Without the Optimus G, there is no Nexus 4. They arent seperate phones, LG makes the Optimus G, Google likes the phone, so by whatever process happens between the two companies, the G is chosen as the platform to build the new Nexus 4 on. They change the shape to fit Googles design demands, and thats it. Its a Google version of the Optimus G. Personally I really like LGs custom UI. In benchmarks its shown to be a tiny bit more compact and optimized for performance compared to the Nexus 4s stock 4.2. It has some functionality that the N4 doesnt have. Personally I like the shape of the G better, it looks nicer from the front, The N4s back design is sexy though, and the Gs isnt as nice, but its still a nicer looking phone than pretty much anything else on the market. The biggest difference, to me, physically was the N4s rubber grip. That is such a functionally sound addition, and it is kind of sad the G doesnt include something like this, but either way both of these devices are by and large, among the top 3 devices on the market (Id put the Note2 among those 3 as well, no particular order though)

    Anyways the point: The G is LG's flagship phone. The N4 is a googlized version of the N4, but it becomes a google device, subsidized and supported by Google more than LG except at the hardware level. The 2 different devices have different market penetration in different markets (The G is more popular in Korea, Japan China etc, while the N4 is taking off in US/Canada compared to the Optimus. Im not sure about the European market). At a Carrier level they dont carry the N4, so the average untechy user who will walk into the carrier to find a new phone will never hear about the N4, while they WILL encounter the G. Its a good marketing/sales strategy, and it is paying off for LG more than doing them harm. LG benefits if you buy either the N4, or the G, so they arent increasing competition for themselves. Its like when you go to best buy, and decide to buy your merchandise from Future shop instead. The same person gets the moeny in the end, but to you it seems like theyre competition and more choice for you as a consumer. In the end LG wins, details some people might not like on the G are mitigated on the N4, and vice versa, so the consumer also wins with more choice.
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    LOL. Exactly. The carrier (despite carrying the phone) actually benefits from sales of the other phones more than from the Nexus, some users might not appreciate, but T-Mo is using it as a draw. They are the ONLY carrier to get the N4, other carriers havent bothered with it because it either doesnt make them enough money, or Google didnt comply with their demands for the device (software touchups and whatever). T-Mo will get more customers, someone who wanted the N4 but couldnt find it online has another option in their local T-Mo.
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