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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    I agree on the "con for you" part.

    Still, when listing pros and cons, I'd expect reviewers (especially US-based ones) to have these as cons:

    - No LTE option
    - No expandable memory
    - No higher memory option than 16GB
    - No removable battery


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    I don't care about LTE in the least, but the other 3 are definitely deal-breakers to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    Understood.

    But I was referring to the product as a whole, in terms of the progression from Nexus One (two targets, right?), the Nexus S (three targets?), and the Galaxy Nexus (aren't there four?).

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    Close enough. There were multiple versions of the same phone in each case.

    I'm pretty certain there will be multiple versions of the Nexus 4 as well. A 32GB version with LTE is enough of a hardware "bump" to entice people to pay the difference between the Play Store version and an LTE/carrier version.

    If Verizon/Sprint/AT&T want one, it will be made available is the "official" unofficial word from a Google evangelist familiar with the project.
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    I really don't see the point in debating whether no LTE, no SD card slot, and/or no higher storage options are cons or not. The word con is purely subjective. Sure, I'm switching from my S3 with LTE to the Nexus 4 which lacks it. And, will I miss having LTE? Sure. But, the money I would save will more than make up for it. Not to mention, there is Wifi everywhere if I need to download really big files. Will I miss the 16GB of storage my S3 came with? Sure. I'll miss having that 32GB SD card, too. But, I'm willing to try the cloud and USB-OTG for the first time. Would it be awesome if Google had as much clout as Apple? Sure. But, I don't think that takes away from this device. As a result of not having LTE, low storage options, and no micro SD card slot, I can order the Nexus 4 for only $299. Doesn't sound like a con to me. Just my .02 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MERCDROID View Post
    I really don't see the point in debating whether no LTE, no SD card slot, and/or no higher storage options are cons or not. The word con is purely subjective. Sure, I'm switching from my S3 with LTE to the Nexus 4 which lacks it. And, will I miss having LTE? Sure. But, the money I would save will more than make up for it. Not to mention, there is Wifi everywhere if I need to download really big files. Will I miss the 16GB of storage my S3 came with? Sure. I'll miss having that 32GB SD card, too. But, I'm willing to try the cloud and USB-OTG for the first time. Would it be awesome if Google had as much clout as Apple? Sure. But, I don't think that takes away from this device. As a result of not having LTE, low storage options, and no micro SD card slot, I can order the Nexus 4 for only $299. Doesn't sound like a con to me. Just my .02 cents.
    So of course under Pro, things like price and battery life and coming unlocked would be listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Hildenbrand View Post
    Not having LTE on this version (the unlocked, AOSP target version) is a pro, not a con.
    i would say more so that lack of LTE allows google to push updates directly to the phones when they are ready. The quick updates are a pro. The lack of LTE in of itself it unequivocally a con. If you could have an HPSA+ / LTE att model and still get quick updates that would be ideal. So lack of LTE is a con when other phones like the S3 and Iphone have this.
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    I disagree a con is a con. Is nice to have options even though you won't use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterfang View Post
    I disagree a con is a con. Is nice to have options even though you won't use it.
    they you must not have understood me. I also said it was a con.
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    There are so many other things, LTE would be big if everyone but Verizon had good coverage, and but I digress.

    There are bigger things to pick on

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    Quote Originally Posted by agalvin13 View Post
    i would say more so that lack of LTE allows google to push updates directly to the phones when they are ready. The quick updates are a pro. The lack of LTE in of itself it unequivocally a con. If you could have an HPSA+ / LTE att model and still get quick updates that would be ideal. So lack of LTE is a con when other phones like the S3 and Iphone have this.
    I don't care about fast updates, or LTE, or anything else.
    THIS phone, as in this one that Google is selling themselves, needs to be as open as possible so the Android source code development is not held back. CDMA and LTE licensing will hold it back. The consumer facing side is only one purpose of the Nexus phone.

    This is the phone the engineers are using to develop the next version of Android. They don't need to have to play silly games with lawyers over software licensing if it can be avoided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    So of course under Pro, things like price and battery life and coming unlocked would be listed.
    Checkmate, lol I digress.
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    I think a lot of people are viewing something that is a "con" as meaning "fatal disqualifying flaw that renders product unusable." The hysterics over no LTE could lead one to think it had a 30-minute battery life and caused cancer. Let's be real.

    Think of it this way: Imagine the hottest celebrity you can; the one you have an understanding with your current significant other that you could sleep with without punishment if the absolutely unlikely opportunity were to arise.

    Now think of your current significant other. Are they as hot/rich/famous as your fantasy? Probably not, but would you view that as a con or a disqualifying factor for being with them? Exactly.

    The teeth-gnashing over the Nexus 4 and "how Google totally blew it by leaving out [insert bullet point cause for emo whining here]" is childish and getting ridiculous. If any product doesn't suit your needs, don't buy it. Problem solved. Instead of crying that the Nexus 4 lacks something compared to something else, just go buy that other superior thing and get on with things. It's ironic that people are claiming that Google is limiting their choices and to prove their point, they point to all the other alternatives they consider better. If there was no choice, why are there so many "better" things to choose from?
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    I really want this phone but I don't want to pay an ETF to leave VZW. My contract ends June 2013. By then there would be a new Nexus. I hope the next Nexus is just as cheap in price as this one.
    I ran a speed test on a T-Mobile Galaxy S 3. 15 mbps down. My RAZR Maxx with LTE got 7 mbps. Usually at home I can get 35 mbps down. HSPA+ is pretty fast. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Hildenbrand View Post
    I don't care about fast updates, or LTE, or anything else.
    THIS phone, as in this one that Google is selling themselves, needs to be as open as possible so the Android source code development is not held back. CDMA and LTE licensing will hold it back. The consumer facing side is only one purpose of the Nexus phone.

    This is the phone the engineers are using to develop the next version of Android. They don't need to have to play silly games with lawyers over software licensing if it can be avoided.
    Thank you, Jerry, for being a voice of reason in all of this.

    Back to the OP, I think the Wired review was glowing, and I really hope that AC gives a similar review, because I feel like the people at AC are people I can trust. Should I recommend this phone to my parents? I'll have to wait and find out, but LTE surely isn't going to have anything to do with the answer
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post
    I think a lot of people are viewing something that is a "con" as meaning "fatal disqualifying flaw that renders product unusable." The hysterics over no LTE could lead one to think it had a 30-minute battery life and caused cancer. Let's be real.

    Think of it this way: Imagine the hottest celebrity you can; the one you have an understanding with your current significant other that you could sleep with without punishment if the absolutely unlikely opportunity were to arise.

    Now think of your current significant other. Are they as hot/rich/famous as your fantasy? Probably not, but would you view that as a con or a disqualifying factor for being with them? Exactly.

    The teeth-gnashing over the Nexus 4 and "how Google totally blew it by leaving out [insert bullet point cause for emo whining here]" is childish and getting ridiculous. If any product doesn't suit your needs, don't buy it. Problem solved. Instead of crying that the Nexus 4 lacks something compared to something else, just go buy that other superior thing and get on with things. It's ironic that people are claiming that Google is limiting their choices and to prove their point, they point to all the other alternatives they consider better. If there was no choice, why are there so many "better" things to choose from?
    Dirk, your now batting 2 for 2 in the BEST post in this whole Nexus 4 forum. The whole "con of LTE" is just getting downright ridiculous and stupid now. I'm mean its just about a week now since the official announcement of the N4 and EVERYONE in the freaking world now knows this phone is not/never will offer LTE. If you love your LTE/want LTE, then stop the baby crying and go somewhere else and get the LTE phone you want. Cry all you want about no LTE, so move on already.
    Plain and simple. The Nexus 4 is then NOT FOR YOU!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Hildenbrand View Post
    I don't care about fast updates, or LTE, or anything else.
    THIS phone, as in this one that Google is selling themselves, needs to be as open as possible so the Android source code development is not held back. CDMA and LTE licensing will hold it back. The consumer facing side is only one purpose of the Nexus phone.

    This is the phone the engineers are using to develop the next version of Android. They don't need to have to play silly games with lawyers over software licensing if it can be avoided.
    I understand that there is justification for lack of LTE. In the US, having CDMA and LTE means carrier restriction / licensing and therefore it makes a device that operates on those bands not ideal for a developer model. Well, that is great for developers, but as the nexus brand becomes more consumer oriented, they are going to need to align the desires of the consumers and the developers. The iphone 5 seems to have a lot of developer support, as does the VZW G Nex. While there are reasonable excuses for the nexus 4 not have LTE, lack of LTE means slower network speeds, so at the end of the day, it is a con.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agalvin13 View Post
    I understand that there is justification for lack of LTE. In the US, having CDMA and LTE means carrier restriction / licensing and therefore it makes a device that operates on those bands not ideal for a developer model. Well, that is great for developers, but as the nexus brand becomes more consumer oriented, they are going to need to align the desires of the consumers and the developers. The iphone 5 seems to have a lot of developer support, as does the VZW G Nex. While there are reasonable excuses for the nexus 4 not have LTE, lack of LTE means slower network speeds, so at the end of the day, it is a con.
    Is not having lte and lack of SD card a bigger con than if it had those things but the price was $649?also if ur looking at lte as a con for those who like the speed then wouldn't the addition of lte be a con for those who care more about battery life? Its a lose lose no matter what some ppl won't be happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanr509 View Post
    Is not having lte and lack of SD card a bigger con than if it had those things but the price was $649?

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    Take the lte out of the equation. Would it be ok to add 16 more gigs for 325?

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    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    Take the lte out of the equation. Would it be ok to add 16 more gigs for 325?

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    Hell no lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanr509 View Post
    Is not having lte and lack of SD card a bigger con than if it had those things but the price was $649?also if ur looking at lte as a con for those who like the speed then wouldn't the addition of lte be a con for those who care more about battery life? Its a lose lose no matter what some ppl won't be happy

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    Two words : RAZR MAXX.. Thing has amazing battery life and is 4G LTE.

    If I could sign a 2 year ATT, Sprint or VZW contract and get the Nexus 4 for $299 with 32GB storage, MAXXX size battery and LTE I would vote Matias Duarte as president of the USA and declare that no company should ever build another smartphone, as it is not needed.

    However, in the real world I signed a 2 year contract on ATT got a s3 which I am selling to finance a nexus 4 + some extra cash and am VERY EXCITED. Still admit that the missing items are cons / flaws in comparison to other smart phone. The nexus 4 is the phone for me, but a guy can dream. Maybe one day a nexus device will be released that has virtually no flaws. Nov 13 is not that day for myself and many others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agalvin13 View Post
    Two words : RAZR MAXX.. Thing has amazing battery life and is 4G LTE.

    If I could sign a 2 year ATT, Sprint or VZW contract and get the Nexus 4 for $299 with 32GB storage, MAXXX size battery and LTE I would vote Matias Duarte as president of the USA and declare that no company should ever build another smartphone, as it is not needed.

    However, in the real world I signed a 2 year contract on ATT got a s3 which I am selling to finance a nexus 4 + some extra cash and am VERY EXCITED. Still admit that the missing items are cons / flaws in comparison to other smart phone. The nexus 4 is the phone for me, but a guy can dream. Maybe one day a nexus device will be released that has virtually no flaws. Nov 13 is not that day for myself and many others.
    If I could get something like the razr Max that was GSM then I would. Don't think that twice the battery life I'm getting is worth a $80 a month bump in my bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanr509 View Post
    If I could get something like the razr Max that was GSM then I would. Don't think that twice the battery life I'm getting is worth a $80 a month bump in my bill.

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    I had a razr with 4g lte and never used it because of the battery drain. The only reason lte seems so fast is because CDMA 3g is slow as s***. When I went from around 15-20mbps to even 6-8mbps on my note it really wasn't that big of a deal

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    How is it that the battery is so weak? I thought this new S4 pro chip was supposed to be all that with power reduction. Everyone says the removable battery isn't important yet here we are back to not being able to get a full day out of it. This irritates me as much as only having a 16gb option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbrad17 View Post
    How is it that the battery is so weak? I thought this new S4 pro chip was supposed to be all that with power reduction. Everyone says the removable battery isn't important yet here we are back to not being able to get a full day out of it. This irritates me as much as only having a 16gb option.

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    Ya I'm wondering if that was just some kind of fluke of why it wasn't so close to battery life to the optimus g. But either way to me unless its got a maxx size battery then I'm going to have to charge it 2 times a day anyways

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    Cracking handset, cant wait to get mine!
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    No LTE is going to be the dealbreaker for the mainstream.
    I don't see why when LTE itself isn't mainstream...

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