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  1. gone down south's Avatar
    You need access to ALL your music and EVERY movie you own on that 30 minute subway ride?
    11-06-2012 01:08 AM
  2. blaze5's Avatar
    You need access to ALL your music and EVERY movie you own on that 30 minute subway ride?
    No but like him I lost power and cell service because of sandy so I couldn't access the cloud that's the point that is trying to be made its better to have SD cards or higher internal storage then rely on the cloud

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    11-06-2012 01:22 AM
  3. badbrad17's Avatar
    You need access to ALL your music and EVERY movie you own on that 30 minute subway ride?
    I think he is just trying to say that with the limited space, some people need a little bit of extra space in some situations, along with the cloud. Not too hard to understand me thinks.

    It's no different when you look at people who fly a lot. The cloud is useless on a plane. If everyone relied on the cloud we would all need to be carrying an iPod every time we got on a plane. It shouldn't be this way. A 32GB device would correct this. Especially when HTC and Apple are offering 64gb devices.

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    11-06-2012 01:29 AM
  4. Byzantium's Avatar
    I agree. Screw the cloud.

    However. I only need 32 GB and that's all the space I ever need. I never use over 10gb on my phones.

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    11-06-2012 02:55 AM
  5. eric10234's Avatar
    My reasoning for wanting an SD slot is not for additional storage, but rather an external memory that is protected from factory resets. I flash a lot of ROMS and I don't want to have to pull all of my backup off the cloud or have to plug into my computer every time I flash a ROM. If there were a way to partition the internal storage and protect it from being erased, then I would be fine with no external storage. Maybe that exists and I'm just an *****.

    As for on screen buttons, I would be fine with them if the lower bezel was reduced. My S3 is almost identical in size to the GNex, but I have a bigger screen and the same size bezel. Its just that my bezel has buttons and I consequently have much more usable screen real estate.

    As far as removable batteries, I have had phones in the past, namely the iPhone, freeze up and become unresponsive to the power button. I had an S3 ROM which made the screen turn off and the only way that I could get it back on was with a battery pull.

    I love the idea of Nexus devices, but I don't think Google has developed the platform enough to make up for the shortcomings produced by these decisions.

    I shall now retreat to a flame proof bunker... :beer:

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    I've been flashing custom ROMs on my S2 for over a year now and have never erased any internal memory photos, videos or other files. I've done plenty factory reset and cache wipes and as far as I am aware, they only wipe the user data (apps, account settings, etc) without touching the user files such as downloaded files or photos taken with the camera. I may be wrong about how it behaves for other phones but that is how it has been for my S2.

    I agree with you on the buttons though. They could have elongated the screen to accommodate the on screen buttons AND still leave 768x1280 viewing area. However, there's an expanded desktop mode feature in CyanogenMod ROMs which hides the on screen buttons and give you full viewing area. That should come in handy for when you want to have full viewing area.

    As for ROMs making the phone totally unresponsive, I agree that it could well happen under some circumstance. But the thing to remember is that on a non-Nexus device, ROM developers are often time experimenting with unknowns and will lead to more possibility of crashes which render the whole device unresponsive. With a Nexus device, this should happen very much less.

    Still, each person is allowed their own opinions. I've mostly made up my mind to get the Nexus 4 but the final barrier will be the release date and price in my country (no Google Play Store device availability).
    11-06-2012 03:16 AM
  6. 15israellai's Avatar
    I really don't like the idea of non-removable batteries. After all being able to swap the battery is better than not, unless they have a good justification. I love the virtual buttons (one of the reasons I got my GNex) as they're customisable and durable and stylish and rotatable, except that they can be disastrous on AMOLED screens.
    My other gripes, though, include the back as fragile as an iPhone 4S and the storage. I support the idea of having no microSD slots, after learning Google's viewpoint, but 16GB is really barely sufficient for Titanium backups (if you want more than one backup) and CWMs. They should sell 32GB models like the VZW GNex.
    11-06-2012 03:48 AM
  7. wilara23's Avatar
    You may have a point with the physical buttons, but wireless carriers are moving away from unlimited data plans in favor of tiered plans. That makes cloud storage very unpractical.
    T-Mobile and Sprint are still very much for unlimited data.
    I never really cared for expandable storage and had no issues transitioning to the cloud.
    11-06-2012 08:19 AM
  8. jian9007's Avatar
    If you're referring to T-Mobile's $30 prepaid plan, the data is actually soft-capped at 5 GB per month. If I have to stream from the cloud every time I want to listen to my music, or watch my videos, I'd go over that regularly.
    Buy a Nexus 4 straight from Google, then get on T-Mobile's Value plan for phone service. You can add the new non-capped unlimited data to any value plan for only $20.00. That's what I have and it's awesome.
    11-06-2012 08:30 AM
  9. jian9007's Avatar
    As for moving forward or backward for Nexus? Forward without a doubt. Beats the Galaxy Nexus in pretty much all areas (except 16GB vs. 32GB but most GSM phones Google were recently selling only had 16GB). Storage for music is a non-issue for me. There is no phone (even one with microSD card slot) that can hold all my music (currently at 504GB) so it has no bearing on my phone purchase. I just store what I want to bring along on external storage. I also use a 10000mAh external battery pack so non-removable battery also doesn't concern me. One week left and I'm so ready for the Nexus 4 to be here.
    11-06-2012 08:46 AM
  10. PetiePal's Avatar
    People will vote one way or the other for MicroSD storage....

    The reason *I* care about MicroSD storage is that despite the fact that I'm on grandfathered unlimited data on VZW, if I ever were to switch to another carrier (or if Verizon DOES end the unlimited at some point), I would NEED local storage because I'd have a data cap. Music, movies, all this stuff that they want to "live in the cloud" with Nexus devices...but if carrier don't give you unlimited access what's the point. And if they keep NOT releasing 32 or 64GB versions of phones in the US, then it really seals the deal.
    11-06-2012 10:22 AM
  11. Szabinger's Avatar
    Each previous nexus device has been a small incremental update. The nexus one had a 1ghz cpu and an amoled screen. The nexus s had a little bit bigger super amoled screen and a bit faster 1ghz cpu. The galaxy nexus had a HD super amoled screen and a dual core cpu. None of the sequels were actually noticably better or faster than the one before. They were all really good phones, but they weren't anything "amazing". It also seemed that they were always a generation behind in the specs department. The cpu's weren't cutting edge, the displays were of the lower quality of the spectrum, the cameras have always been complete crap. The designs were just clones of other devices on the market: The nexus one was the same design and form of a Droid Eris. The nexus S was a Galaxy S with a curved screen. The Galaxy nexus was a Galaxy S2. None of them were truly innovative designs that stood out in the crowd.

    This brings me now to the Nexus 7... There was nothing on the market like it. Yes there were several 7" android tablets, but none that it shared any similarities with. The design is unique, minimalistic, and very durable. Also nothing could match the specs of it at the price it is. It was the first truly original nexus design, one that was pleasing and stands out against everything else in it's class.

    Next up is the Nexus 10, once again it's design is completely unique to it's form factor. It isn't a clone of any other of Samsung's 10" tablets. It has curves that no other tablet has, it's made out of a material that is on no other tablet. It is a solid and sleek looking device. And lets not forget the absolutely phenomenal screen resolution on this device. Retina? Nope. It makes retina look like an SDTV. There is no equivalent to even compare its to. It's in a class of its own. Samsung and Google spared no expense in the spec department. The absolute first device sporting an ARM A-15 cpu, and it's Samsung's own Exynos design. This tablet is an absolute MONSTER. It is the fastest mobile device EVER. Nothing on the market in Android's corner or any of their competitors can even come close to the power of this tablet. This is really the first serious 10" tablet that can take the iPad head on and beat it in every category. Google did it's homework with this device and unleashed a MONSTER.

    Finally, the Nexus 4. Sleek, beautiful, stunning, polished... Words that have never been used to explain the design of an LG phone... I didn't quite think that LG had the capability of creating a device worthy of the Nexus name, especially not a Nexus phone of this quality. I think they surprised the whole world with this one. Glass, beautiful glass. This is the most classy Android device ever put on the market. Not just the most classy phone, the most classy device, period. The HTC One X is a beautiful device, so is the Galaxy S3, but neither of these phones can even hold a candle to what LG has achieved in the design category. Did I mention how beautiful of a phone this is? This phone isn't just a step forward in the right direction... It is a leap, not a leap across a ditch, a leap from one continent to another continent over a humongous ocean. This device deserves the Nexus name more than any device before it. It had taken everything that was good in the previous nexus phones and polished every aspect. It took all the shortcomings of the previous nexus phones, chewed them up, spit them out, and flushed them down the toilet. This is the perfect phone. Once again, Google has unleashed another beast of a device. Housing the fastest, most cutting (bleeding) edge technology available, upgrading upon every previous spec in the past nexus phones, and giving it a layer of polish that is next to none. This phone will not soon be beaten. They nailed it this time. Every shortcoming of the Galaxy Nexus was addressed, modified, tweaked, improved upon and optimized.

    I'm very proud of what Google has brought to the table this time around. They have been listening. They have been studying. They have been doing their homework. They have created devices this time around that aren't only competitive, but that have actually raised the bar so high that every single partner and competitor now has a LOT of catching up to do.
    AMEN.
    11-06-2012 10:27 AM
  12. badbrad17's Avatar
    People will vote one way or the other for MicroSD storage....

    The reason *I* care about MicroSD storage is that despite the fact that I'm on grandfathered unlimited data on VZW, if I ever were to switch to another carrier (or if Verizon DOES end the unlimited at some point), I would NEED local storage because I'd have a data cap. Music, movies, all this stuff that they want to "live in the cloud" with Nexus devices...but if carrier don't give you unlimited access what's the point. And if they keep NOT releasing 32 or 64GB versions of phones in the US, then it really seals the deal.
    A friend of mine just moved from Phoenix to Seattle and streamed music the entire drive to Seattle. It took them 3 days to get there and they used almost 6gb of data. They thankfully have the unlimited data on Verizon, but I got to thinking that for some people who do a lot of driving for work etc. that streaming music from the cloud would never be an option without an unlimited plan. I would assume there are plenty of people in this situation.

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    11-06-2012 10:46 AM
  13. Woosh's Avatar
    A friend of mine just moved from Phoenix to Seattle and streamed music the entire drive to Seattle. It took them 3 days to get there and they used almost 6gb of data. They thankfully have the unlimited data on Verizon, but I got to thinking that for some people who do a lot of driving for work etc. that streaming music from the cloud would never be an option without an unlimited plan. I would assume there are plenty of people in this situation.

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    There are plenty of ppl in the situation of needing to stream music for 3 days straight? I'm thinking probably not. Btw 10GB is roughly 2000 songs....Do ppl rly need a larger library than that for regular usage?

    Edit - What happened to radios, didn't they used to put those in cars back in the day?
    11-06-2012 11:33 AM
  14. badbrad17's Avatar
    There are plenty of ppl in the situation of needing to stream music for 3 days straight? I'm thinking probably not. Btw 10GB is roughly 2000 songs....Do ppl rly need a larger library than that for regular usage?

    Edit - What happened to radios, didn't they used to put those in cars back in the day?
    Well I used to own a carpet cleaning business and spent around 3 hours a day in my vehicle and also listened to music while I worked. I could easily listen to music for 6 hours of music a day or more. If I am streaming this every day my data would be huge.

    Is the solution to just buy an iPod? Seems odd IMO.

    The solution is not some crazy difficult thing to deal with. Either provide a sd card, or give us options for internal storage that is 32GB or more.

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    11-06-2012 11:40 AM
  15. blitzen89's Avatar
    Why Nexus devices have no SD card | Android Central

    Totally agree with this... I do think they should at least offer more internal storage, but I'm all for giving up my SD is it means a faster and more stable file system. If the battery truly does last long I've got no issue at all with it not being removable...
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    11-06-2012 11:40 AM
  16. qnet's Avatar
    Yeah a lot of us get used to what we have and we adapt. Your friend is adapting to his sizes and using all of it. I have a 16gb iphone and i have 9gb free but I dont have any music because I figured if i cant get all my music and videos on here why even put them on at all? So if i had expandable storage, I wouldn't have to live without my music and videos. I have 200mb of data so I try to limit my data usage and can't stream my content without wifi.

    I don't think its backwards if they don't do expandable storage since they are pushing the future of "cloud" computing but its definitely not what consumers want.
    That's pretty much what I've had to do, adapt. When I had the Note I bought a 64GB sd-card and put all my music and movies on it. I think part of the reason I did it was, because I thought it was fun & cool to do on a phone. Having said that I didn't utilize it to the fullest, I never watched moves on it and, only listened to a handfull of songs.

    I agree it's always good to have a option and wish they would have atleast made the N4 32GB but, I can deal with it and adapt. I won't put any movies on it and will only download certain playlist locally. The cool thing about Google music is you can pin and unpin music locally as you see fit. I plan on getting the Nexus 10 also so all my movies will go on that.

    As far as the removable battery, that doesn't bother me at all. I agree with those who said it makes it feel like a more solid device. I recently had to replace my battery cover on my Gnex when one of the little clips broke and I couldn't secure the back completly.
    11-06-2012 11:42 AM
  17. Woosh's Avatar
    Well I used to own a carpet cleaning business and spent around 3 hours a day in my vehicle and also listened to music while I worked. I could easily listen to music for 6 hours of music a day or more. If I am streaming this every day my data would be huge.

    Is the solution to just buy an iPod? Seems odd IMO.

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    Doesn't rly seem odd to me to use a music streaming device as a music streamer and a phone as a phone. That said, you have plenty of options. You can either get T-Mo unlimited plan, deal with a 2000 ish music library, or get one of the many Android phones that have an SD card slot.
    11-06-2012 11:42 AM
  18. badbrad17's Avatar
    Why Nexus devices have no SD card | Android Central

    Totally agree with this... I do think they should at least offer more internal storage, but I'm all for giving up my SD is it means a faster and more stable file system. If the battery truly does last long I've got no issue at all with it not being removable...
    I'm okay with this too if we have more internal storage options. But the battery on the N4 has not received stellar reviews so far.

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    11-06-2012 11:44 AM
  19. madchild3's Avatar
    Google understands that they, just like Apple, have some dummy users. Those dummy users are mom and dad, kids, granparents, girlfriends, boyfriends, pets, neighbors, me, etc. Those dummies buy phones because they look cool on the commecials, or because it got recommended by them, or because they were on sale.
    People like to place they're photos, music, apps, etc on SD cards, take the SD card out because it tickle them fancy, and complain about the phone (hardware or software, your pic,) being broken. They (Google and Apple) know that some users are not familiar with phones (scare to tinker with them,) and let they're tech savvy friend/family mess with them, then the user changes just one thing, and brakes the phone. At times, the "tech savvy" friend is the one breaking things. Google and Apple also know that kids happen, and they (kids) touch stuff. Google is just taking some of the human error out of it.
    Most phone users do not fill 16/32/64GB of storage to the brim. Most phone users do not go around changing batteries midday. Most users do place their phones on cases, so changing batteries is kinda dumb. Most users do care about they're pictures, music, and apps working, no matter where those magical things reside. Most users care that when you press a button (physical or make believe,) it works. Simple as that. All others complaining about removable storage, removable batteries, removable magical physical buttons, are the minority. Minorities get ignored because they do not make them (Google or Apple) money, again, simple as that.
    Quit your whinning. If you feel the need to flash ROMs three times a day, get cloud storage, carry around your laptop, or stay home and back up. If you need more battery go get you a car battery, wire it to your phone and endure the wrath of people laughing at you. If you need a physical button, go to Staples and get you an easy button. If you need endless data move in to Starbucks. Do understand that big enterprises are not tailors, and do not make one of devices. They make devices that apeace the masses.
    11-06-2012 11:44 AM
  20. jcsugrue's Avatar
    Every Nexus device that Google has released has moved the entire Android ecosystem forward by leaps and bounds. These are unlocked phones, meaning anybody who owns one can easily get an unlimited data plan for $30. I opted for the $45 unlimited plan through Straight Talk, because it included unlimited minutes as well. This still beats any contract, hands down. Removable storage? Don't need it. Not when I can stream nearly anything I want. Physical buttons? Seriously? I don't see the point in have buttons that wear out, gum up, and can not be customized and reordered. Removable battery? I have a charger on my night stand, a charger on my desk at home and work, and a charger in my car. Really, the only place I can't charge my phone is outdoors. If I were spending that much time outdoors, chances are that I would opt for something like a g'Zone.

    Maybe Google is moving away from the type of phone that meets your needs, but they definitely aren't moving backward in any way.
    11-06-2012 12:03 PM
  21. Woosh's Avatar
    Google understands that they, just like Apple, have some dummy users. Those dummy users are mom and dad, kids, granparents, girlfriends, boyfriends, pets, neighbors, me, etc. Those dummies buy phones because they look cool on the commecials, or because it got recommended by them, or because they were on sale.
    People like to place they're photos, music, apps, etc on SD cards, take the SD card out because it tickle them fancy, and complain about the phone (hardware or software, your pic,) being broken. They (Google and Apple) know that some users are not familiar with phones (scare to tinker with them,) and let they're tech savvy friend/family mess with them, then the user changes just one thing, and brakes the phone. At times, the "tech savvy" friend is the one breaking things. Google and Apple also know that kids happen, and they (kids) touch stuff. Google is just taking some of the human error out of it.
    Most phone users do not fill 16/32/64GB of storage to the brim. Most phone users do not go around changing batteries midday. Most users do place their phones on cases, so changing batteries is kinda dumb. Most users do care about they're pictures, music, and apps working, no matter where those magical things reside. Most users care that when you press a button (physical or make believe,) it works. Simple as that. All others complaining about removable storage, removable batteries, removable magical physical buttons, are the minority. Minorities get ignored because they do not make them (Google or Apple) money, again, simple as that.
    Quit your whinning. If you feel the need to flash ROMs three times a day, get cloud storage, carry around your laptop, or stay home and back up. If you need more battery go get you a car battery, wire it to your phone and endure the wrath of people laughing at you. If you need a physical button, go to Staples and get you an easy button. If you need endless data move in to Starbucks. Do understand that big enterprises are not tailors, and do not make one of devices. They make devices that apeace the masses.
    Apple hasn't cornered the market on pets yet? All my dogs use iPhones.
    11-06-2012 12:03 PM
  22. gone down south's Avatar
    I think he is just trying to say that with the limited space, some people need a little bit of extra space in some situations, along with the cloud. Not too hard to understand me thinks.

    It's no different when you look at people who fly a lot. The cloud is useless on a plane. If everyone relied on the cloud we would all need to be carrying an iPod every time we got on a plane. It shouldn't be this way. A 32GB device would correct this. Especially when HTC and Apple are offering 64gb devices.

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    Completely agree with you here, but we need to be realistic too - 16GB of movies and music will take you through a lot of flights!
    11-06-2012 12:11 PM
  23. ChromeJob's Avatar
    ... However. I only need 32 GB and that's all the space I ever need. I never use over 10gb on my phones.


    I'm okay with this too if we have more internal storage options. But the battery on the N4 has not received stellar reviews so far.
    All the reviews have been -- I presume -- early or pre-production models. When reviews start coming out of production, sold units (e.g. long term test drive reviews), then I'll believe their battery complaints.
    11-06-2012 12:14 PM
  24. Biggnaa20's Avatar
    While each new Nexus signals the release of a new version of Android, it also seems to signal the loss of cherished features, such as expandable storage, physical buttons, and a removable battery.

    What is your take on this?
    I personally think the Nexus line is moving forward in an attempt to move away from the power that carriers have over our communication choices. I'm looking forward to seeing if this will actually work out in our (the customer's) favor.

    And, yeah, I DO miss the things you mentioned. I'd even call them cherished since two of them are reasons that I stayed away from phones (and operating systems
    ) in the past.

    Expandable Storage

    16 gb isn't enough for me, and relying on the "cloud" isn't always an option. I don't always have a super fast connection. Restrictions of a tiered data aside, sometimes I'm in basements, sometimes I'm on a plane, sometimes I'm in another country and don't want to buy a sim card. Adding capacity is one thing, letting me chose how much storage I want is better. I understand that there may be a technical advantage to a single point of storage, but I miss this a lot.

    Physical Buttons

    While I miss the ability to hit things without looking, (ending a call being a good one). I actually do miss the extra space that the on screen buttons take when they have to pop up. Most of all, I really really would love a dedicated camera button.

    Removable Battery

    I used to not care about this as much, but after the charging port on my Galaxy Nexus died, I started to battery swap out of necessity. After I fixed the port, I noticed that I really enjoyed not having to run to a wall charger for a few hours if I wanted to have a late night. I just swapped and kept it moving. Additionally, the ability to actually have additional capacity is huge. Until these phones start having multi-day capacity like the Nokias and Blackberrys of old, having a exchangeable battery is a big cherished plus.

    NB
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    11-06-2012 12:17 PM
  25. sfreemanoh's Avatar
    we are talking about Nexus here. a $30 plan will give you unlimited data..
    Yes, for the people that are on T-Mobile, or the tiny, mostly regional companies that still have unlimited data.

    I feel 16GB is enough, I broke my hard-drive awhile ago and stopped downloading music. So my old phone had a 16GB only really used it for pics so i had plenty of room left. Well that is just for me i know a few mates which feel the need for all the music but I am not one of them. As for freeing I had a phone with about 256mb ram, they rarely froze, like VERY RARE... with a phone with 2GB ram, about 8x the ram my previous phone had, i think thats an even slimmer chance. The end of the day, if the costumer believes its a step back don't buy it... However I view its a step forward and I AM BUYING IT <3 Google.
    More RAM doesn't necessarily equal less freezes...


    then 5 Gb is all it need for you. its not like they cut off internet after 5Gb. it will be throttled.
    Or, if you're on AT&T, for instance, you could end up with a bill larger than the national debt.

    But the last 3 haven't so wasn't it a little expected for this one to not have one?

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    Since carriers have only started getting rid of unlimited data plans after the GNex came out, I would personally think Google would realize that people would have significantly less monthly data allowances now, and create phones with that fact in mind. But I guess they don't care.

    I disagree. The future is in the cloud. The reason why prices have gone up and gone into tiering is because there is more demand and it is harder to supply the bandwidth. Hopefully, when carriers begin to expand prices will go down again. Plus here is a very good point: many places are starting to provide wifi for their customers, residents, employees, etc. I honestly don't see why any place, be it a business or whatever, doesn't provide free wifi. Soon, almost everywhere you go will have wifi. Unless you drive yourself to work or spend lots of time in the wilderness or anywhere where there isnt wifi, you should be able to connect. Planes have wifi now... Soon we'll get wifi in subways, trains, buses. It might even be possible to get it in your car soon. The cloud is getting cheaper and there is a future there, however it isn't now and thats why I still think its still necessary to give us expandable storage or at the very least, bigger internal storage.
    The future, sure. But guess what? We're not in the future yet. You're not going to start developing applications for holographics TV's right now because they might exist in the future, so why would you develop phones with technology meant for "the future", when data is free and plentiful?

    Personally, I very rarely have access to WiFi. At home, sure. At work, no, because it's not secure. People have been known to crack WPA-2 secured WiFi networks in less than a minute. While driving? Uh, nope. At the gym? Uh, nope. If you live in a place that deployed WiFi AP's all over, great for you. But not everyone is that lucky, and Google shouldn't be catering to the minority.
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    11-06-2012 01:27 PM
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