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    Quote Originally Posted by emcdannell View Post
    I guess that all depends on what your comparing it to. It is just a phone camera. and a $350 phone at that.
    Yeah but im pretty sure i read that the lens in this phones camera is the same one that is in the iPhone 5. So, my guess is it is software related as it still isnt final OS as of those reviews.
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    It's all about how hard you're willing to work for great pictures. I always worry that I'll be out and need to take a great picture (not just a good one) so I tried a bunch of phone cameras until I found the best camera. If you strap them down, and move the lights into the right spot, you can get amazing shots from a quality smartphone camera. Case in point from the One X (cropped and processed in Gimp):


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    Of course, I threw away about 50 others to find one this good.

    My off-the-cuff shots with the One X look pretty close in quality to the Nexus 4, or the iPhone 4S. That makes me think I could get "magazine" quality images if I wanted to.

    The minute I get my Nexus 4 in my hands, my first order of business it to check out the camera -- both in real-world use and in a more controlled studio style setting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Prodigy View Post
    It may actually be all the noise I am seeing to make it look blurry to me? I don't see one sharp detail on that pic, looks all fuzzy and grainy to me.
    I think this is more accurate. I'm seeing the same thing in almost every sample picture I've seen yet. It sucks that some people can't judge the pictures unobjectively, but they definitely have a lot of noise. That 1080p video actually looks pretty good though, minus the color reproduction. I've been using a GS3 for taking pictures for a while now and they seem to come out a lot less noisy even when blown up to full size.
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    Hey guys. The camera is my biggest dilemma. The Lumia 920 and Nexus 4 are two very different phones. Both with their own unique positives. However, I feel the ecosystem of the Lumia outweighs the specs of the Nexus 4. I really want the Nexus 4 but the camera situation is pushing me away. As far as price. Att offers the Lumia for 450 off contract with the charging plate so the cost isn't much different. I know that its att and but it can unlocked.

    This decision is hard. I hope more users take pictures so I can make my final decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydc View Post
    Hey guys. The camera is my biggest dilemma. The Lumia 920 and Nexus 4 are two very different phones. Both with their own unique positives. However, I feel the ecosystem of the Lumia outweighs the specs of the Nexus 4. I really want the Nexus 4 but the camera situation is pushing me away. As far as price. Att offers the Lumia for 450 off contract with the charging plate so the cost isn't much different. I know that its att and but it can unlocked.

    This decision is hard. I hope more users take pictures so I can make my final decision.
    Lol windows 8 ecosystem is better than this? You must be drunk.

    If your only criteria in a phone is the camera then buy that tank. Otherwise its not even rly a competition imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woosh View Post
    Lol windows 8 ecosystem is better than this? You must be drunk.

    If your only criteria in a phone is the camera then buy that tank. Otherwise its not even rly a competition imo.
    Yea win 8 at the moment is kinda ecosytemless isnt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydc View Post
    Hey guys. The camera is my biggest dilemma. The Lumia 920 and Nexus 4 are two very different phones. Both with their own unique positives. However, I feel the ecosystem of the Lumia outweighs the specs of the Nexus 4. I really want the Nexus 4 but the camera situation is pushing me away. As far as price. Att offers the Lumia for 450 off contract with the charging plate so the cost isn't much different. I know that its att and but it can unlocked.

    This decision is hard. I hope more users take pictures so I can make my final decision.
    It can? I havent looked into them so i dont know if Windows phones were unlockable or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydc View Post
    Hey guys. The camera is my biggest dilemma. The Lumia 920 and Nexus 4 are two very different phones. Both with their own unique positives. However, I feel the ecosystem of the Lumia outweighs the specs of the Nexus 4. I really want the Nexus 4 but the camera situation is pushing me away. As far as price. Att offers the Lumia for 450 off contract with the charging plate so the cost isn't much different. I know that its att and but it can unlocked.

    This decision is hard. I hope more users take pictures so I can make my final decision.
    More needs to go into your decision than the camera here. The Nexus 4 and Lumia 920 are pretty much polar opposites on the spectrum of design, OS and functions. Choose your platform first, then choose a device that has the other things you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydc View Post
    I feel the ecosystem of the Lumia outweighs the specs of the Nexus 4
    Not sure what you mean? The ecosystem on the Lumia is smaller, and the specs of the Nexus 4 (except the camera, debatably) are better...
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    If camera quality is important to you, then you need to buy a real camera. Seriously. There's been a lot of noise made about the Lumia 920 camera, but it still not even going to come close to what a mid-range point-and-shoot can offer, let alone a Micro 4/3 or DSLR.

    I'm a pretty big photography guy myself, and I'd never leave my phone (no matter the model) be my last device I go to if I need great photos. I agree that "the best camera is the one in your hand", but if photo quality is that important, you will never be satisfied with a phone camera. Not given the trajectory of current phone cameras at least.
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    Many pics I take with my Amaze are disappointing. One flaw is the autofocus us constantly shifting around, failing to stay focused on what I tell it to.

    I find a good discriminator is macro shots of labels of products or soda bottles or such. Something crisp, single-plane (not multi-plane like a face).

    A colleague and I did comparison macro shots of an RSA SecurID in the same lighting same background, between the Amaze and the SGS2. One had minimal color noise, the other had better black-white edge detection and clarity on the edge (moving at a diagonal, just to make things interesting).

    Correct-o-mundo, it's a "camera phone," and my expectations is that it will take pics with the following qualities:

    • Decent focus
    • Good color fidelity
    • Not a lot of color noise, but then it's JPEG what do you expect from a lossy, compressed format
    • Minimal lens distortion


    I can correct for color noise in Photoshop (CS2), but creating focus where there was none is pretty nigh impossible. Dramatically inaccurate colors (unless it's a general color shift) is also a PITA to correct. I tend to take several pics because the pics look okay on the small screen, but later in editing turn out to be pretty craptacular.

    Too much to ask? I would not hope not, from a $600 phone. But from a $300 phone, I think Phil's pics are fine. Not spectacular, just satisfactory. YMMV.
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    Thanks for the advice guys. I am going to Korea and need a good camera. I am invested into Google but Windows 8 is a good ecosystem to me. My opinion . No reason to bash a new member.



    I hope it is a software issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydc View Post
    Thanks for the advice guys. I am going to Korea and need a good camera. I am invested into Google but Windows 8 is a good ecosystem to me. My opinion . No reason to bash a new member.



    I hope it is a software issue
    Not bashing you but the win 8 ecosystem is small compard to android

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    If the hardware would support RAW image capture, and someone sold a camera app that would take RAW images, I'd be in hog heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emcdannell View Post
    this isnt your nikon no ones lining up amazing shot with a phone camera. they review it how it gonna be used not like a pro photographer taking wedding pics
    Sound logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayjohn View Post
    Sound logic.

    /sarcasm
    Great use of sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydc View Post
    Hey guys. The camera is my biggest dilemma. The Lumia 920 and Nexus 4 are two very different phones. Both with their own unique positives. However, I feel the ecosystem of the Lumia outweighs the specs of the Nexus 4. I really want the Nexus 4 but the camera situation is pushing me away. As far as price. Att offers the Lumia for 450 off contract with the charging plate so the cost isn't much different. I know that its att and but it can unlocked.

    This decision is hard. I hope more users take pictures so I can make my final decision.
    buy a DSLR camera if you want a good camera. its a phone and not a standalone camera. you expect a good camera in this tiny device.
    nexus 4 has the same camera as the iphone 5 and it is amazing imo
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    Same camera? Is there a confirmation link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydc View Post
    Thanks for the advice guys. I am going to Korea and need a good camera. I am invested into Google but Windows 8 is a good ecosystem to me. My opinion . No reason to bash a new member.
    Not bashing, just explaining. At this point, the WP8/W8 ecosystem is just downright puny compared to Android and iOS. That's just how it is. If you're OK with that, that's one thing, but don't lie to yourself and say the ecosystems or comparable.

    If you need a good camera for a trip, BUY A CAMERA. You'll be so much happier with the results compared to any phone camera. Seriously, Spend $150-$250 on a real camera and you won't regret it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solutions Etcetera View Post
    You are gravely mistaken.
    then prove that iphone 5 and n4 dont have the same camera.

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    I just read something about both having a sony sensor.
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    The photos look fine. What worries me is the video quality which is very blurry from the main camera.
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    I agree with those who say there is a lot of noise in Phil's photos. Question is: what is that due to? It's a jpeg, and it could be getting re-compressed at any point from the camera software to AC's servers.

    Also, these are indoor shots which usually have poor lighting, and this causes the camera software to crank up the ISO, which leads to noise.

    Have a look at this shot:


    (download the full size file by clicking on "options" in G+) If you zoom in to 1:1, you can see that the leaves in the center of the pic are nearly perfectly sharp. So that's good. If you look towards the outside things get more mottled. It might be that the camera's jpeg compression algorithm does not handle blurry areas very well and makes them look mottled instead of having a clean bokeh. If that is the case, any slightly blurry shot (due to motion or lack of focus) will look noisy at 1:1.

    So I wouldn't yet conclude that the camera really has issues. It appears it has good potential, but like any cell pone camera with a tiny sensor, difficult lighting conditions will not result in incredibly sharp pictures at 1:1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teleclimber View Post
    I agree with those who say there is a lot of noise in Phil's photos. Question is: what is that due to? It's a jpeg, and it could be getting re-compressed at any point from the camera software to AC's servers.

    Also, these are indoor shots which usually have poor lighting, and this causes the camera software to crank up the ISO, which leads to noise.

    Have a look at this shot:


    (download the full size file by clicking on "options" in G+) If you zoom in to 1:1, you can see that the leaves in the center of the pic are nearly perfectly sharp. So that's good. If you look towards the outside things get more mottled. It might be that the camera's jpeg compression algorithm does not handle blurry areas very well and makes them look mottled instead of having a clean bokeh. If that is the case, any slightly blurry shot (due to motion or lack of focus) will look noisy at 1:1.

    So I wouldn't yet conclude that the camera really has issues. It appears it has good potential, but like any cell pone camera with a tiny sensor, difficult lighting conditions will not result in incredibly sharp pictures at 1:1.
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    People, Sony BSI sensors are the most common point-and-shoot sensors anywhere. In camera software is what determines the outcome of the pictures (hence why people sometimes like to shoot RAW and apply their own software touches). Sony BSI sensors are in point-and-shoots of just about any camera manufacturer (and some DSLR's as well).

    So let's cut out all the nonsense. Most of you making comments are not experts in photography and you're making a big deal out of this camera situation even though you know very little of the topic you're talking about. With cell phone cameras, you better not be shaky or you will get blurry pics. And if you are not in good light, forget it. You better be like a tripod...lol. I don't care what mobile phone you have. Most of the phones we're talking about are going to have similar sensors or even the very same sensors. The amateur photographer will be most to blame for blurry pics along with the limits of the teeny tiny mobile phone camera sensor.

    Go buy a real point-and-shoot if you want good pics...something you can fit in a pocket like a Canon S90/S95/S100/S110 or similar. Let's stop talking about these phone cameras. I bet if you had all 3 or 4 phones next to each other with the same amateur taking the pictures, you'd end up with very similar results. To this day, no mobile phone camera has been all that impressive on a consistent basis compared to a good point-and-shoot. And that's not going to change anytime soon.
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