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    Good hardware, speedy updates and affordability? Sounds like a good two year phone to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherDroid View Post
    Part of the whole point of a Nexus is you're not on contract.
    I signed a contract anyway to get the promotional pricing on my monthly package. No biggie, I'm happy with TMo's service and--assuming we see another Nexus 5 in the next year or two--ill just sell this one and upgrade the old fashioned way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gone down south View Post
    The N4 has Band 4 LTE on it's chip, it can be turned on with a quick hack. And surprise, surprise, T-Mobile is using, among others, Band 4 for it's LTE roll-out in the US.
    Except it doesn't have an amplifier so unless you're right near the LTE tower, it won't be of use.
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    It's a Nexus device. So while it won't have the latest hardware compared to others released over the next two years, if the LTE isn't a big concern for you, it's the best device today (assuming you can get your hands on one). The reason is simple: In two years, it will be running the then-latest version of Android OS, whereas phones introduced 1 - 1 1/2 years from now will, in 2 years, be running older software.

    Hardware does a lot for a phone, but it's the software that empowers longevity.
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    Except it doesn't have an amplifier so unless you're right near the LTE tower, it won't be of use.
    This means that in addition to the normal a$$ sucking battery drain that LTE causes, since you're missing the amplifier, you'd be constantly searching for an LTE signal. Unless you want to stand around under a tower, you'd be lucky to go 3 hours before the phone was dead. I'll say it again...if you want an LTE phone, that's what you need to buy, because the N4 is NOT an LTE device.

    Personally, I'm glad it's not. I much prefer the better battery life of H+ and my data speeds on Tmobile are awesome. There has not been a single moment that I've had this phone when I felt like it was slower than my GNEX on Verizon. To the contrary, it's much faster in every possible aspect. To the OP...it's a perfect 2 year phone, though I'm sure I'll jump all over the N5 when it comes out in Nov/Dec.
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    I believe that nothing is "2 year proof" nowadays because there is always something cooking in the pot to be served oon, but if anything is the Nexus 4 is. Hardware software combo is hard to beat and will last. My 2 cents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by greydarrah View Post
    This means that in addition to the normal a$$ sucking battery drain that LTE causes, since you're missing the amplifier, you'd be constantly searching for an LTE signal. Unless you want to stand around under a tower, you'd be lucky to go 3 hours before the phone was dead. I'll say it again...if you want an LTE phone, that's what you need to buy, because the N4 is NOT an LTE device.

    Personally, I'm glad it's not. I much prefer the better battery life of H+ and my data speeds on Tmobile are awesome. There has not been a single moment that I've had this phone when I felt like it was slower than my GNEX on Verizon. To the contrary, it's much faster in every possible aspect. To the OP...it's a perfect 2 year phone, though I'm sure I'll jump all over the N5 when it comes out in Nov/Dec.
    I'm just glad there will be tmo LTE options, period. And specifically, I hope to grandfather my unlimited contract in to it with my next phone. But, I assume they will be sacrificing their H+ coverage with LTE taking over? I don't know the specifics of the technology.
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    Yes. Definitely. No question. Absolutely. For sure.

    I figured I would give you a solid answer instead of a vague response like everyone else.

    It's a fast phone that will give you far more longevity than the Galaxy Nexus and that phone has proven to be a fine 2 year device. Plus the big thing to look at is that hardware has only recently caught up to software so the need to upgrade will not matter as much.

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    I won't go on my usual rant about the phone. I will just say it simply

    It is not for one reason alone.

    Apps are getting bigger and we are becoming pack rats with photos and media. 16gb won't be close to enough in two years let alone 8gb.

    That is the best reason that it will not be a seriously viable phone in two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greydarrah View Post
    This means that in addition to the normal a$$ sucking battery drain that LTE causes, since you're missing the amplifier, you'd be constantly searching for an LTE signal. Unless you want to stand around under a tower, you'd be lucky to go 3 hours before the phone was dead. I'll say it again...if you want an LTE phone, that's what you need to buy, because the N4 is NOT an LTE device.

    Personally, I'm glad it's not. I much prefer the better battery life of H+ and my data speeds on Tmobile are awesome. There has not been a single moment that I've had this phone when I felt like it was slower than my GNEX on Verizon. To the contrary, it's much faster in every possible aspect. To the OP...it's a perfect 2 year phone, though I'm sure I'll jump all over the N5 when it comes out in Nov/Dec.
    Wow! What part of the Nexus 4 fully supports LTE on band 4 you guys don't understand?

    "In the case of the Nexus 4, the hardware includes the latest and greatest cellular hardware from Qualcomm with MDM9215M, its third generation 28nmCategory 3 LTE multimode baseband, and a WTR1605L transceiver. I tore down the Nexus 4 to ascertain whether PAs were present that could work with LTE, and saw indeed that at least bands 4, 2, and 1 did have Avagopower amplifiers (A5704, A5702, and ACPM7251) which noted support for LTE. The remaining piece of the puzzle was software stack, both in Android and inside the version of the AMSS (Advanced Mobile Subscriber Software) running onboard MDM9215M."

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    Sigh

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    I think it'll last you for 2 years though after that you'll be ready for an upgrade.
    If it had a better camera & LTE (other than Band 4) it would likely age better but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qbancelli View Post
    Wow! What part of the Nexus 4 fully supports LTE on band 4 you guys don't understand?

    "In the case of the Nexus 4, the hardware includes the latest and greatest cellular hardware from Qualcomm with MDM9215M, its third generation 28nmCategory 3 LTE multimode baseband, and a WTR1605L transceiver. I tore down the Nexus 4 to ascertain whether PAs were present that could work with LTE, and saw indeed that at least bands 4, 2, and 1 did have Avagopower amplifiers (A5704, A5702, and ACPM7251) which noted support for LTE. The remaining piece of the puzzle was software stack, both in Android and inside the version of the AMSS (Advanced Mobile Subscriber Software) running onboard MDM9215M."

    Band 4 does nothing for the US, which I believe a majority of members here are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    Band 4 does nothing for the US, which I believe a majority of members here are in.

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    Until T-Mobile starts activating it in the US next month ....

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    Well then those six people will have it....

    Just kidding... Just kidding

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    Even though I am using the SG3, the Nexus S 4G pulled me through my last 2 years... It was the first time I went through my contract without trading up. It was so easy to root too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    I won't go on my usual rant about the phone. I will just say it simply

    It is not for one reason alone.

    Apps are getting bigger and we are becoming pack rats with photos and media. 16gb won't be close to enough in two years let alone 8gb.

    That is the best reason that it will not be a seriously viable phone in two years.

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    Some people aren't pack rats, so this is a personal choice. I have every app I could need installed plus lots of photos and videos and I still have 9gb free. And this is with 1.3gb for my Titanium backup. 8gb is certainly not enough but 16 is plenty for most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yahoowizard View Post
    Yes if you're on T-Mobile, since that's about the biggest thing missing from this phone. It might not be as important now, but the lack of it will be a lot more important in a year and especially beyond that date. T-Mobile's HSPA 42 in my opinion is fast enough, but AT&T's HSPA is already somewhat behind in speed, and will be a lot more in the future. Every other aspect of the phone, in my opinion, is ahead enough. There won't really be apps, I imagine, even two years later, that you wouldn't be able to run on the Nexus 4.
    HSPA+ on AT&T is a fallback for millions of people. They have pretty good LTE coverage now. DC HSPA+ can even compare to LTE in download average speed, and for uploads LTE is in another stratosphere.

    As for the Nexus 4 yes it will last that long. The GS2 variants are getting JB so that flies in the face of the support issues. By the time you've had a phone for 15-18 months updates seem to matter and you're watching the market to see what you should buy next, anyways.

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    IMO nexus phones are great 2 year phones, decent specs and you don't have to worry about waiting forever for the newest android versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    Band 4 does nothing for the US, which I believe a majority of members here are in.

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    The Nexus 4 was tailor-made for T-Mobile USA, which is what I use and care about.

    Guys on AT$T and Verizon got prenty of other devices to choose from.

    Whats the point of using a N4 on a overly expensive carrier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keithdroid View Post
    I believe that nothing is "2 year proof" nowadays because there is always something cooking in the pot to be served oon
    That really has no bearing on whether or not the Nexus 4 will be usable for two years, though. If people can't hang onto the phone for two years because of all the new devices coming out, that simply means they're impatient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qbancelli View Post
    The Nexus 4 was tailor-made for T-Mobile USA, which is what I use and care about.

    Guys on AT$T and Verizon got prenty of other devices to choose from.

    Whats the point of using a N4 on a overly expensive carrier?
    1. Coverage. AT&T's LTE Coverage is actually pretty good now. Their HSPA+ coverage is like twice that of T-Mobile. In many rural and "in-between" areas, T-Mobile is useless. AT&T's network also seems better at handling higher capacities than T-Mobile's. I had posted some Speedtests a while back on another forum, but after I moved here my median speeds on T-Mobile with a full HSPA signal (doesn't matter what kinda phone you have at these levels) was about 120 kbps down and a little over 1mbps up. It was like that all over here, and in the place where I later moved to (where I live now, they are basically useless). I called them about it and they said it was because their servers were over capacity. Never had an issue like that with AT&T.

    I had them for about 22 months and ended up paying the ETF fee (I had two phones for myself from them) instead of waiting another month or so to drop them because their data speeds and coverage were simply unusable. The only thing good about it was the 5GB soft-cap and free tethering, but with such terrible speeds it doesn't even matter - similar to unlimited data on Sprint CDMA devices (Sprint at least has WiMax here, though, so you can actually get a better experience getting a GS24G from Boost Mobile than messing with T-Mobile).

    2. DC HSPA+ doesn't offer many battery savings over LTE, especially in the latest handsets. Additionally, LTE barely affects your battery in the absence of LTE coverage.

    3. On top of not really gaining anything factorable in battery efficiency, T-Mobile's devices almost never function anywhere near that speed (and almost always below HSPA+ 21Mbps speed, making that radio configuration functionally a waste in those devices). In the vast majority of cases, the devices never go above 14.4Mbps in download speed, and I've seen an HTC Vivid on AT&T's HSPA+ network clock 10.7 Mbps Down/3.2 Up here. It has a 14.4 Mbps HSPA+ Radio (and LTE, but LTE wasn't up yet, back then), so performing quite close to it's theoretical maximum. Even if AT&T had DC HSPA+ 84 Mbps, that device in all likelihood would have gained very little from it, since I was on T-Mobile and seen their speeds in a lot of big cities like Baltimore, DC, Philly, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Memphis, etc.

    DC-HSPA+ 42Mbps can't even start to compare to LTE. It isn't, and will never be, in the same league. Even in markets where there are tons of LTE devices (i.e. iPhone 5s, Galaxy S3s, One X's, etc.) LTE runs circles around HSPA+. Nothing is gained by getting a phone with basically an unusable LTE radio, and when you try to evolve to certain use cases that involve uploading more data instead of just streaming and downloading, HSPA+ will offer a factorably worse user experience than LTE. Which brings me to that...

    On an HSPA+ network when your uplink speeds are slow, a ton of applications start to falter. Skype stops letting you *send* video if it detects your upload speed is slow, VoIP applications (Skype, Talk Voice/Video Chat, Hangouts) in general really degrade in quality, file transfer speeds in IM applications suffer, Uploading Videos to services like YouTube or Facebook (especially 720p or 1080p of factorable length (i.e. longer than 30 seconds or so) becomes a chore, and Instant Upload functionality in apps like DropBox and Google+ go from being huge conveniences to absolute battery killers due to the time it takes to upload multiple 3.x MB images over the slower network - keeping your phone awake and transmitting long after LTE would have completed the job. I went to a Zoo and had Google+ Instant Upload drain my battery from 80% to almost nothing in like 1.5 hours because of the slow HSPA+ upload speeds. I can upload a 1GB file on LTE in that time (or less), and still have a ton of battery left.

    Additionally, even though HSPA+ handles capacity worse than LTE, because LTE and HSPA+ coverage almost always overlaps, non-LTE data speeds get boosts indirectly due to the LTE devices that get offloaded to that network, which makes AT&T's network [for those who live in LTE markets] even more attractive, IMO, for those who don't mind forgoing LTE but want to use a device like this. That's not possible on T-Mobile, because they don't have anything but their HSPA+ network - everything is on it - which is why they're facing congestion issues here that Sprint (with WiMax), Verizon and AT&T (with LTE) don't have to worry about.

    T-Mobile has congestion issues in many areas because their network is smaller, they don't have as many towers deployed as AT&T/Verizon, and their cheap prices attract a lot of people. AT&T and Verizon aren't immune from this either, but they have invested a magnitude more in beefing up their networks (and have LTE on top of CDMA/HSPA+ deployed in many of their problem areas, anyways). Sprint has continuously had issues with their data network being overloaded mostly due to the same issues T-Mobile has (being forced to compete aggressively on price and attracting a ton of customers on a much smaller network).

    If you don't travel (much) and your coverage and data speeds are fine for your uses, stay/go with T-Mobile. But for me, it wasn't worth the cheap price they were charging for the service. It was just too bad to justify. I certainly wouldn't go with them just to get a Nexus phone, and after using LTE for so long I couldn't use anything that was limited to HSPA+.

    From my armchair stance of seeing the market move from mostly downloading media to also uploading/sharing media, I can't consider anything without LTE worthy of a 2 year commitment. It's too limiting, for me, personally.
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    So tell me how you feel about T-Mobile, lol

    Look, I get super coverage and excellent speeds in NYC.

    LTE Advance will come soon. So I am very happy with my phone and my carrier.

    Any one who gives me unlimited texts, 100 minutes of talk,($0.10 a minutes after) 5GB of data at speed around 20Mbps for just $30, without a contract, gets my love and appreciation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    I won't go on my usual rant about the phone. I will just say it simply

    It is not for one reason alone.

    Apps are getting bigger and we are becoming pack rats with photos and media. 16gb won't be close to enough in two years let alone 8gb.

    That is the best reason that it will not be a seriously viable phone in two years.

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    Yep

    And carriers are greedy so instead of offering unlimited data like they should they want you to pay more.

    2 gigs of data on verizon costs 60 bucks! If that ain't outrageous...



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