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    Default Re: I can no longer tether my pc (on Tmobile prepaid SIM).

    If you buy a data plan that says 5 gb a month of 4g speed and unlimited 2g after that I don't see why anyone has to pay more money so they can use that data on another device.

    I stream and download items on my phone just like my computer. It shouldn't matter how fast I use up that 4g because I decided to downloaded a 200gb video game patch on my computer by tethering with my phone.

    Its like straight talk and their crappy data rules. They advertise unlimited data but then say they can cut you off if you stream anything or whenever they are bored basically.

    If it isn't an unlimited plan do not say it is, than paying for tethering is fine.

    Also don't tell me how fast I can use my data. If I want to use 5gbs of my total 4g alotment in one day on my phone or on my tab/computer I should be able to do that however I like.

    Tethering is just a way for them to milk more profit out of their customers and it is clearly not right. Its like them making rules like oh on sundays you can stream youtube but on Tuesdays you cannot you have to pay 5 dollars a month extra for the primetime youtube plan add on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danootz View Post
    In the APN menu, where it says:

    T-Mobile US ............................. (O)
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    Is that bullet ticked for you? When I followed that process in the other thread, when I got to resetting the APN, that "processing" dialog box popped up and then the bullet went from ticked to unticked.

    I ticked it on (and then questioned if that would throw off the steps but it doesn't seem to have) and everything seems fine. My tethering is still normal.

    I never tested it with the bullet unticked. I think I even tried a second APN reset to see if it'd be unselected, but it didn't happen like the first time.

    And I guess, just to make sure, you're using the integrated tethering ability in Android, right? Not a 3rd party tethering app from the market?
    Yes, mine worked exactly like you described yours...went from selected to unselected, and then I re-selected it. I also went back in later and deleted the "US" part of the APN, thinking that maybe that part was new (can't remember what it used to say), and maybe they are now monitoring that APN name for tethering, but dropping the "US" had no effect.

    And I am using the native tether (not 3rd party...though maybe I'll try that).
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    Default Re: I can no longer tether my pc (on Tmobile prepaid SIM).

    My APN settings are the same as you listed BTW.

    It'd have to be a big coincidence, but it wasn't like had used a ton of data prior to changing the settings, right? Maybe a block was set?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greydarrah View Post
    Seriously?? The ability to tether is an integral function of a Nexus device. I love my phone, and use it all throughout the day, but I could never understand why anyone would willingly choose to type emails and forum responses with their thumbs on a tiny keyboard/screen, when a pc is right in front of them. It's kind of like saying, "Why get up and turn on my 42" flat screen when I could just sit here and watch a movie on my little bitty 4" phone." The phone works great when you have no better option, but we often have other choices that work better.
    I'm on my phone right now with my laptop right beside me.. some people like me just use the phone more I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by greydarrah View Post
    Seriously?? The ability to tether is an integral function of a Nexus device. I love my phone, and use it all throughout the day, but I could never understand why anyone would willingly choose to type emails and forum responses with their thumbs on a tiny keyboard/screen, when a pc is right in front of them.
    Then buy a data plan that supports tethering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cozzy123 View Post
    If you buy a data plan that says 5 gb a month of 4g speed and unlimited 2g after that I don't see why anyone has to pay more money so they can use that data on another device.
    I agree. If I had a N4, a HSPA+ N7 and a laptop with a broadband card, why shouldn't I be able to use all 3 for one low price as long as I don't go over the limit.
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    Default Re: I can no longer tether my pc (on Tmobile prepaid SIM).

    I see this tethering debate as a reaction to the lack of data plans with reasonable rates.

    The carriers just can't avoid the temptation of trying to suck $50+ a month out of someone that wants to use their notebook on the go or just avoid having to use wifi networks with questionable security.

    They don't care if you use 20 gb or 20 mb, if they think they can get money out of you they will mess with you until you pay.

    There are plenty of carriers that will let you go over your quota because it really doesn't cost them anything after their network is in place, they have already paid for the bandwidth. It's that $50 they are after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cozzy123 View Post
    If you buy a data plan that says 5 gb a month of 4g speed and unlimited 2g after that I don't see why anyone has to pay more money so they can use that data on another device.
    Well, first of all, because that's what you signed up for. No one held a gun to your head to force you to sign up for that plan, you did it on your own. I don't see why some refuse to understand the terms of service they freely signed up for. Second, in technical terms, the reason your data usage is limited to your phone is because the carrier takes into account overall usage patterns - that you most likely *won't* do everything on your phone - either because another device is more convenient or your phone lacks the capacity to do something (for example, the capacity to hold a 200 GB game). Those are factored into the calculation when they allocate bandwidth. When you use your phone as a hotspot against the terms of service, you are screwing it up for the rest of your fellow subscribers.

    Once again, nobody forces you to sign up for the plan. If you don't like T-mobile's tethering limitation, either buy a tethering plan or go to a Share plan with AT&T, where they do allow your device to tether at no extra charge.

    Quote Originally Posted by cozzy123 View Post
    I stream and download items on my phone just like my computer.
    Then do it on your phone. You want to do it on your computer, and as I said, that usage pattern is entered into the assumptions of mobile bandwidth allocations.

    Quote Originally Posted by cozzy123 View Post
    Also don't tell me how fast I can use my data. If I want to use 5gbs of my total 4g alotment in one day on my phone or on my tab/computer I should be able to do that however I like.
    On T-mobile, you can in fact use up your 5 gig in the first day if you want. No one will stop you. On Straight Talk, again, read the terms of service before you subject yourself to it. If you don't, others aren't responsible for your lack of reading the contract you are entering into.

    Quote Originally Posted by cozzy123 View Post
    Tethering is just a way for them to milk more profit out of their customers and it is clearly not right.
    It frankly doesn't matter what you think is right. It matters what you signed up for. Don't sign up for something you don't think is right.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalocin View Post
    I see this tethering debate as a reaction to the lack of data plans with reasonable rates.

    The carriers just can't avoid the temptation of trying to suck $50+ a month out of someone that wants to use their notebook on the go or just avoid having to use wifi networks with questionable security.
    Carriers have plans that include tethering. AT&T and Verizon's share plans all include no-cost tethering, as do T-mobile's contract plans with 5 or 10 gigs of data.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalocin View Post
    They don't care if you use 20 gb or 20 mb, if they think they can get money out of you they will mess with you until you pay.

    There are plenty of carriers that will let you go over your quota because it really doesn't cost them anything after their network is in place, they have already paid for the bandwidth. It's that $50 they are after.
    Actually, it takes money to maintain and expand infrastructure, as well as provide for the evergrowing bandwidth demands. But in any case, why do you think you're entitled to the bandwidth they paid for without following their terms? Can I come and demand to stay in your house because "you already paid the mortgage" and thus you don't really need the extra rent from me?

    Bottom line: there are plenty of plans these days that allow tethering without an extra tethering fee. Choose one of those if you want to tether without paying extra.
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    Default Re: I can no longer tether my pc (on Tmobile prepaid SIM).

    No, your $30 is more than enough to pay for inferstructure.

    A better analogy is a landlord that bans their tenants from using the bathroom because you can pee out the window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yfan View Post
    Actually, it takes money to maintain and expand infrastructure, as well as provide for the evergrowing bandwidth demands.
    does tethering per se put higher demands on carrier networks? is it more data intensive than using your phone if you are doing the exact same activity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdbii View Post
    does tethering per se put higher demands on carrier networks? is it more data intensive than using your phone if you are doing the exact same activity?
    If you are using your phone and your wife, gf or kids are tethered and using a tablet, yes. They have no way to tell the difference so they act accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minnemike View Post
    If you are using your phone and your wife, gf or kids are tethered and using a tablet, yes.
    but what if you are not doubling up devices simultaneously, but only using one device at a time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalocin View Post
    No, your $30 is more than enough to pay for inferstructure.
    That really isn't up to you to decide. What IS up to you to decide is what terms of service you agree to. If you don't like it and don't want to live by it, go pick another service. If I don't like the rules of a class - for example, I believe that all tests should be open book and the Professor doesn't allow it - I don't get to cheat and play by my rules. If I sign up for a class, I agree to live by its rules. If not, I pick another class (or school). Seriously, if you think $30 is enough to pay for infrastructure, and no one else will give it to you at the price you want, set up your own service. Good luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalocin View Post
    A better analogy is a landlord that bans their tenants from using the bathroom because you can pee out the window.
    Without the absurd idea, actually, many landlords DO charge you extra if you have guests staying for an extended period of time, on the count that they will use more utilities, even if your guests don't actually do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdbii View Post
    does tethering per se put higher demands on carrier networks? is it more data intensive than using your phone if you are doing the exact same activity?
    Again, consumer habits are part of the calculation in the bandwidth math. It takes into account the fact that you don't *want* to do certain things on your phone even if it's possible. If you don't do it on your phone, that reduced bandwidth drain. And that's born out by your very post - if you can do the exact same activity on your phone, and you know you agreed to terms of service that limits your data to your phone only, why don't you? Think about it. That behavior is taken into account.
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    Default Re: I can no longer tether my pc (on Tmobile prepaid SIM).

    I bet the next thing you are going to say is that Oil companies don't price fix and gasoline is reasonably priced.

    Some people can see when they are getting screwed instead of just spreading the other cheek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalocin View Post
    I bet the next thing you are going to say is that Oil companies don't price fix and gasoline is reasonably priced.

    Some people can see when they are getting screwed instead of just spreading the other cheek.
    No, what I am going to say is whether you think you're paying a fair price is irrelevant. That you think oil companies are gouging you does not mean you can go to a gas station and pay less than their rate. What you can do is buy a more fuel efficient car or ride a bicycle (I have both). I also use an app to find cheaper gas. If you don't want to pay the price a vendor is charging you, don't buy from them. That's all. If you think you're getting screwed, that gives you the right to stop doing business with whoever is screwing you. It doesn't give you the right to violate an agreement you willingly entered into.

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    Default Re: I can no longer tether my pc (on Tmobile prepaid SIM).

    Are you Verizon customer service?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalocin View Post
    Are you Verizon customer service?
    It sounds like he is someone who understands how business and contracts work (which you apparently do not).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdbii View Post
    but what if you are not doubling up devices simultaneously, but only using one device at a time?
    I just think they can't tell either way so they make a broad rule like this. I think they can only set up some sort of automated check to see if you are tethering to start with and from there it is random if some guy they assign is monitoring the reports.

    There's also another argument that says you will never equal the data requirements on a phone that you would with a PC or tablet. Most people don't sit and watch movie after movie on a phone, but definitely do on a tablet, pc or media center for tv.

    Although things are going to change real quick once phones start to become the pc or media center itself. Hell, I'm already planning it out with an external monitor, bluetooth speaker box, keyboard and mouse. They'll have to figure out a whole new level of phone only usage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalocin View Post
    Are you Verizon customer service?
    Obviously, since it is so possible to activate the Nexus 4 on Verizon. :banghead:

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    Default Re: I can no longer tether my pc (on Tmobile prepaid SIM).

    Actually I'm well aware of how contracts and business work.

    The bottom line is if your lawyers aren't as good as their lawyers, you get screwed.

    Most consumers do not retain lawyers or write contracts so they get screwed most of the time.

    Unluckily not enough consumers know how to stand up for themselves so cell phone contract clauses mostly restrict the consumer, not the service provider.
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    Contracts are not always enforceable. Vague, boilerplate, and unconscionable contracts are some of the exceptions that come to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minnemike View Post
    There's also another argument that says you will never equal the data requirements on a phone that you would with a PC or tablet. Most people don't sit and watch movie after movie on a phone, but definitely do on a tablet, pc or media center for tv.
    I think that is reasonable, and as some have pointed out in this thread, the carriers take this into account. Also, a PC is more likely to be directed to full sites rather than mobile sites, and that alone will use more bandwidth...at least that is what I think. I see the argument on the other side too -- 5 GB (or whatever) is 5 GB of bandwidth whether tethered or not.
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    Default Re: I can no longer tether my pc (on Tmobile prepaid SIM).

    They don't allow tethering because they know that people are going to try and use their network to replace home Internet which IS a strain on network resources.

    There is talk that instead if data caps that maybe network bandwidth shaping is the answer. So maybe it becomes like landline ISPs where the more you pay per month the faster mb/s you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwilkins View Post
    They don't allow tethering because they know that people are going to try and use their network to replace home Internet which IS a strain on network resources.
    Exactly. Just look around on these forums, especially the Galaxy Nexus LTE ones, and look at some of the data some people use. I see posts where people use 300 GB a month on Verizon LTE with unlimited plans, and Verizon can't do anything about it. You get too many people on one tower doing that and see what happens then. Not saying it is wrong to use the data you pay for however you want, but there has to be limits. If your plan has a hard cap, then fine use it however you want. If not, then we all know the rules of the game, pay the extra and get tethering. If I tethered I think it would be worth it to not have to deal with these issues and spend hours or days finding a workaround.

    Oh by the way for me turning on data roaming actually made my speeds worse. I would hold on to HSPA better but pings were through the roof. Almost always over 500ms, and the one time it was at 17ms my dl speed was .06 mbps. Don't know if you seen an improvement but the slower speeds overall, and high pings were not worth it.
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    Oops guess I'm that category. Have a laptop, TV, DVD, 10inch tablet my nexus 7 , my gnexus and nexus4. Can't tell u last I used my TV laptop or 10 tablet most of time I'm happy with my gnexus and nexus4.
    Quote Originally Posted by greydarrah View Post
    Seriously?? The ability to tether is an integral function of a Nexus device. I love my phone, and use it all throughout the day, but I could never understand why anyone would willingly choose to type emails and forum responses with their thumbs on a tiny keyboard/screen, when a pc is right in front of them. It's kind of like saying, "Why get up and turn on my 42" flat screen when I could just sit here and watch a movie on my little bitty 4" phone." The phone works great when you have no better option, but we often have other choices that work better.


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