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    Default Re: Has anyone figured out the Navigation app?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeLip View Post
    Download either Sygic or CoPilot. They use stored data. Neither require a data connection. Once it's installed, you're done.
    Just another example of Google's crappy apps used to get people to buy the device. They don't allow you to remove them (without rooting). Then you have to spend more money to buy a fully functional app from the play store.

    The software on the N7 is a scam, but a smart one. They were very careful as to which features were not functional or not there at all to make you want to replace them.
    Apple screwed up by having a crappy mapping and nav apps. that people could complain about.

    What Google did (not allowing nav directions to be taken from cached maps while off line) could be called a 'feature', but what Apple did could be called a 'bug'.

    They both had the same result of getting you to spend money in their app stores.
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    I think Google uses online mapping engine instead of local (stored in phone) to avoid licensing issues. So each time the route has to be recalculated the devices gets it from the Google server hence the need for internet connection. Since Google already has the navigation engine online, it is easy for them to maintain the online one which serves more than Android Phones.

    GPS will work without Wi-Fi, mapping software probably uses the Wi-Fi to get a fix faster (even if not connected to any WiFi). Also I think these days most of the GPS are built as combo chips with WiFi, GPS, NFC etc built in together sharing some circuitry. So they might need some part of the WiFi circuitry for the GPS to function better or something.

    Most of these are my assumption based on little that I know.
  3. #53  

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    There are several reasons why it's to Google's advantage to not push all maps to local storage. First, it saves some storage space on your device. Secondly, it allows them to push only the amount of data needed for your trip, not large updates every time they update maps. Thirdly, they are probably updating maps on a constant and dynamic basis, unlike the other map providers which release data monthly or quarterly. Next, it allows them to do cool things like monitor trips, traffic, routes, travel times which gives them tremendous data and allows them to make their map products that much better with things such as estimated travel time depending on how busy the streets actually are. Finally, data connectivity is becoming pretty ambiguous for most devices... and more popular all the time. In the end, I seriously doubt Google will ever provide a traditional GPS service, it doesn't seem like that's something they're aiming for. But for what it does, and how it works, even now, it's a pretty amazing FREE product.
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    Tried a 50 mile journey at the weekend and same as before loose the voice prompt within 3 miles and it never returned for the entire journey.Re did the return journey using wi fi and again exactly the same even tried different mounting positions. Hey Ho looks like there is Mapping but no Navigation voice prompt. Wonderful. back to my Tom Tom I guess unless I am doing something wrong.
  5. #55  

    Default Re: Has anyone figured out the Navigation app?

    Quote Originally Posted by tflash View Post
    Just another example of Google's crappy apps used to get people to buy the device. They don't allow you to remove them (without rooting). Then you have to spend more money to buy a fully functional app from the play store.

    The software on the N7 is a scam, but a smart one. They were very careful as to which features were not functional or not there at all to make you want to replace them.
    Apple screwed up by having a crappy mapping and nav apps. that people could complain about.

    What Google did (not allowing nav directions to be taken from cached maps while off line) could be called a 'feature', but what Apple did could be called a 'bug'.

    They both had the same result of getting you to spend money in their app stores.
    Yeah, total scam. You spend the HUGE sum of $200 for an N7 and all you get is a crappy little fully functional high resolution, tablet with some really great software. Man, what a travesty.

    Since you are probably humor challenged, let me be clear I think you are completely and utterly wrong. You can criticize G's decision to put the nav engine in the cloud but I find it amazing that you call it a scam on their part. I think you are the perfect candidate to pay the Apple tax - they've got great maps and nav SW.
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    I tried Sygic & another one but neither of those found a destination (in a rural area) BUT Google nav found the address.

    What I would like to see is an overlay app that uses the Google maps. Is there one?
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    I forked over the $9.99 for co-pilot and I love it. It can give you turn-by-turn without wifi, but it also gives you an alternative route if your existing route is going to take 10 more minutes than what it originally estimated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biogon View Post
    Second, there's no benefit to Google -- it's not like we get ads while navigating!
    The benefit to Google is they can say how great the app store is when you go there to get apps with features that aren't missing or screwed up.
    Fine, I'll pay the $10 for the CoPilot app that will do what the native 'nav' app should have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philba View Post
    Yeah, total scam. You spend the HUGE sum of $200 for an N7 and all you get is a crappy little fully functional high resolution, tablet with some really great software. Man, what a travesty.

    Since you are probably humor challenged, let me be clear I think you are completely and utterly wrong. You can criticize G's decision to put the nav engine in the cloud but I find it amazing that you call it a scam on their part. I think you are the perfect candidate to pay the Apple tax - they've got great maps and nav SW.
    "fully functional" - really?
    No file manager.
    A USB port that can't read and write files to a "USB" flash drive.
    The need for an OTG cable for USB hosting. (not included)
    No DLNA support as a 'renderer' or a 'server'.
    No offline nav support. (Maps and GPS, yes, but nav., no)
    Bluetooth that won't work as a headset to a phone for hands free calling in a car.
    A keyboard with no arrow keys.
    A movie player that won't play many file formats.
    No camera app.
    An auto screen brightness function that adjusts up, but not down.
    Audio output max is low.
    A calendar app that will only do 'events' with no task or checklists that I can tie to a certain date.

    I still think the N7 is the best choice for a 7" tablet with no monthly fees.
    I also think the software could have been better, even for the $250 I payed.

    Whether they are 'bugs' or 'features', or if it's a 'scam' or a 'business model', I'm not sure.

    I'm not some trolling Apple fan, but I'm not a Googleite either.

    So which SW apps that came with the N7 are you still using and have no desire to replace or supplement them with 3rd party apps?
    For me the list is:
    Play books
    YouTube
    Maps
    Calculator
    Play Store
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    The November edition of Which? had test results for satnavs and included some apps. As far as the British Isles was concerned , the best app was Navigon Mobile Navigator v1.8.2 but at a cost of UKP42. They also rated Google Maps as bad and only useful for getting around on foot! Another app - iGo My Way at UKP 17.50 narrowly missed being a best buy but was a " good all- rounder with clear maps".
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeLip View Post
    Download either Sygic or CoPilot. They use stored data. Neither require a data connection. Once it's installed, you're done.
    I notice that both these apps require permission to access a lot of content on the N7. I mean, why should they need access to phone calls or social info? Should I be worried about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tflash View Post
    <goes on and on>
    It depends on what you want. Frankly, most of your objections sound hypercritical. The N7 and Android certainly can be improved but expecting G to provide perfection (your definition of it) seems incredibly unrealistic. You were the one that called their SW a scam and I still see no proof of that. For the lack of certain features to be a scam, you have to show intent. I think G is working as fast as they can to add more features. I am certain they they don't have a strategy of shipping crappy OS SW to get you to buy apps from their store. That just doesn't pass the sanity test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philba View Post
    It depends on what you want. Frankly, most of your objections sound hypercritical. The N7 and Android certainly can be improved but expecting G to provide perfection (your definition of it) seems incredibly unrealistic. You were the one that called their SW a scam and I still see no proof of that. For the lack of certain features to be a scam, you have to show intent. I think G is working as fast as they can to add more features. I am certain they they don't have a strategy of shipping crappy OS SW to get you to buy apps from their store. That just doesn't pass the sanity test.
    Especially since there are perfectly acceptable FREE nav apps available in the store. Google makes, let me see (naught, naught, carry the naught....) nothing on them. Thank you Jethro Bodine for that math lesson I have found that the Google Nav app is in general pretty decent. They do not offer the flexibility of an app like Magellan for iOS, or certainly not Navigon. But hey, it's free. If you don't like free, there is a simple solution. Don't use it. I find their map display far better than anyone elses and it's usually my first choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeLip View Post
    Especially since there are perfectly acceptable FREE nav apps available in the store. Google makes, let me see (naught, naught, carry the naught....) nothing on them. Thank you Jethro Bodine for that math lesson I have found that the Google Nav app is in general pretty decent. They do not offer the flexibility of an app like Magellan for iOS, or certainly not Navigon. But hey, it's free. If you don't like free, there is a simple solution. Don't use it. I find their map display far better than anyone elses and it's usually my first choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by YAYTech View Post
    Micro transaction games are a major PITA, but games are really only free one of two ways: advertisements or micro-transactions. No one is going to work and having their boss say "hey Bob, I want you to spend the next month programming a game that has no avenue for making a profit, so we can give it away for free!"
    Of course Google has a strategy to get you to visit the play store. Of course Google makes $ on 'Free' apps. Maybe they are 'loss leaders' to get you to by movies and such? Google spends money to provide the play store so it makes sense that they make money on them somehow. Facebook makes money somehow, and they are 'free'.

    I didn't start this thread about the lack of offline nav. I did say Google was smart about it and Apple was dumb. A smart scam will show no 'proof' of intent. See how well they fooled people? Anyone can feel free to respond to this to say they got in the last word, but I made my point so I'm done here.
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    Wow, and I've never read so many pages of comments saying the same thing but differently. I love this!


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    Copilot live USA - the best GPS app - on sale often for 5 bucks

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    on Google Play page (from my computer) right now it shows a Nexus 7 with navigation on the screen "Your travel anywhere companion! A no-compromise Android tablet" Click it and shows Wifi only version with navigation promoted on the N7 screen. Probably just oversight, but makes it seem like we should expect the navigation to be useful. Are they improving offline navigation cache?
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    As of this weekend, 7-21,13 I'd just "updated" 80 app package.
    Monday night= no Navigation. Better part of the evening spent trying to fix Goggles fix to app that was not broken.YOU ARE GOOGLE. ACT LIKE IT, NOT APPLE!
    Tuesday evening after uninstalling MAPS and a few other "apps that never worked" I installed MAPS VERSION 6.1.1 and seem to have my navigation program, with traffic and layers and directions and routes, and we'll know tomorrow as it's another day. We'll see.
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