Wow. How's Google going to beat new HD Kindle Fire at $159?

**DroidDavi** · 09-06-2012, 05:01 PM

I will be buying a n7 and have no desire for a kindle. I can get Amazon apps on my n7. Going with the n7 just seems like a over better choice.

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**dmmarck** · 09-06-2012, 05:03 PM

Just an FYI:

Amazon Kindle Fire HD vs. iPad vs. Nexus 7 vs. Surface RT vs PlayBook | Android Central

**MichaelPayton21** · 09-06-2012, 05:30 PM

The 8GB N7 is toast. it wasn't even that popular with techies, who wanted the 16GB model. The N7 was never going to be a popular consumer tablet no matter what Google claimed. Honestly, who outside of these types of forums give a rat's bottom about "pure Android"? No one.

All the average person wants is an inexpensive tablet that is easy to work and has a huge ecosystem. Preferably, it would also not have the screen pop off upon exposure to air. Amazon will kill the N7 and that $299 8.9" model might finally be the one tablet that can hold it's own against the iPad.

Haters scoff at the $499 model, but that's over $300 cheaper than the similarly spec'ed iPad 3. Amazon might not have as many games as iOS, but they compete well in video and music and kill everyone in the book market.

Seriously tempted to Craigslist my own N7 and get the 32GB 7" model instead. I don't need raw naked Android to read a comic or ebook, but I would love that much internal storage.

Based on the limited demand for the 8GB N7 and competition from the new Kindles, Google would do well to axe that model and add a 32 or 64GB N7 fast.

**YAYTech** · 09-06-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by microzone

The 8GB N7 is toast. it wasn't even that popular with techies, who wanted the 16GB model. The N7 was never going to be a popular consumer tablet no matter what Google claimed. Honestly, who outside of these types of forums give a rat's bottom about "pure Android"? No one.

All the average person wants is an inexpensive tablet that is easy to work and has a huge ecosystem. Preferably, it would also not have the screen pop off upon exposure to air. Amazon will kill the N7 and that $299 8.9" model might finally be the one tablet that can hold it's own against the iPad.

Haters scoff at the $499 model, but that's over $300 cheaper than the similarly spec'ed iPad 3. Amazon might not have as many games as iOS, but they compete well in video and music and kill everyone in the book market.

Seriously tempted to Craigslist my own N7 and get the 32GB 7" model instead. I don't need raw naked Android to read a comic or ebook, but I would love that much internal storage.

Based on the limited demand for the 8GB N7 and competition from the new Kindles, Google would do well to axe that model and add a 32 or 64GB N7 fast.

While a higher capacity N7 might be worthwhile, where are you getting the impression that the 8gb model isn't selling well? And if it isn't selling well, could that be from a lack of distribution? I only recall seeing 16gb models in retail stores.

**JHBThree** · 09-06-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by microzone

The 8GB N7 is toast. it wasn't even that popular with techies, who wanted the 16GB model. The N7 was never going to be a popular consumer tablet no matter what Google claimed. Honestly, who outside of these types of forums give a rat's bottom about "pure Android"? No one.

All the average person wants is an inexpensive tablet that is easy to work and has a huge ecosystem. Preferably, it would also not have the screen pop off upon exposure to air. Amazon will kill the N7 and that $299 8.9" model might finally be the one tablet that can hold it's own against the iPad.

Haters scoff at the $499 model, but that's over $300 cheaper than the similarly spec'ed iPad 3. Amazon might not have as many games as iOS, but they compete well in video and music and kill everyone in the book market.

Seriously tempted to Craigslist my own N7 and get the 32GB 7" model instead. I don't need raw naked Android to read a comic or ebook, but I would love that much internal storage.

Based on the limited demand for the 8GB N7 and competition from the new Kindles, Google would do well to axe that model and add a 32 or 64GB N7 fast.

These will suffer the same fate as the first one: strong out of the gates but collapse soon after.

**Dave_k605** · 09-06-2012, 05:37 PM

heavily skinned os, little to no updates, no play store.....

No thanks, I'll pay slightly more for something that is android, not just built on top of it and stripped of the goods.

**dmmarck** · 09-06-2012, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by YAYTech

While a higher capacity N7 might be worthwhile, where are you getting the impression that the 8gb model isn't selling well? And if it isn't selling well, could that be from a lack of distribution? I only recall seeing 16gb models in retail stores.

This. I'd love to see proof.

**hoosiermama2799** · 09-06-2012, 05:54 PM

I have the first Fire and bought my Nexus in early August. I am heavily invested in the Amazon ecosystem. I absolutely hate the locked down version of Android,especially that carousel. I hate that every book I buy appears on every Fire on my account (there are 3 on my account).

Even with the specs on these, I am convinced I made the right decision for me to get a Nexus. My Nexus is very smooth and I love Jelly Bean...even straight out of the box.

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**kinster02** · 09-06-2012, 06:43 PM

I say, all they have to do is remove some of the perks like the $ 25 credit, and those magazines and books and that could reduce the price.

**JHBThree** · 09-06-2012, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by kinster02

I say, all they have to do is remove some of the perks like the $ 25 credit, and those magazines and books and that could reduce the price.

Of the nexus 7? The hardware is over $180. They have zero space to reduce the price at all.

**dmmarck** · 09-06-2012, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by JHBThree

Of the nexus 7? The hardware is over $180. They have zero space to reduce the price at all.

Yup. Very narrow profit margin.

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Ry · 09-06-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_k605

heavily skinned os, little to no updates, no play store.....

No thanks, I'll pay slightly more for something that is android, not just built on top of it and stripped of the goods.

It really depends how invested you are in the Amazon ecosystem.

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Ry · 09-06-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by dmmarck

Yup. Very narrow profit margin.

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These Kindle Fire HDs are probably being sold at a loss.

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**dmmarck** · 09-06-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Ry

These Kindle Fire HDs are probably being sold at a loss.

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Except they have ads on lockscreens and only real purpose is to be a service linking Amazon content.

I know the Nexus was portrayed as that, but for Kindles it's much more so.

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Ry · 09-06-2012, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by dmmarck

Except they have ads on lockscreens and only real purpose is to be a service linking Amazon content.

I know the Nexus was portrayed as that, but for Kindles it's much more so.

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Oh sorry. I was referring to simply hardware costs.

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**dmmarck** · 09-06-2012, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ry

Oh sorry. I was referring to simply hardware costs.

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Lol no worries, was typing mid set and didn't read much past your comment.

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**Dave_k605** · 09-06-2012, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Ry

It really depends how invested you are in the Amazon ecosystem.

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I'm not a penny, with that being said..if I had books or music bought from Amazon, I could easily still read/listen to it on any device I had.

Now turn the tables and say you are invested into Google play, much harder to get your material on kindle.

**dmmarck** · 09-06-2012, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_k605

I'm not a penny, with that being said..if I had books or music bought from Amazon, I could easily still read/listen to it on any device I had.

Yup. Other than video, I see no reason in a device focused solely on Amazon content distribution.

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**Dave_k605** · 09-06-2012, 07:39 PM

The only reason I the kindle will do better than the n7 is its a house hold name.

The new kindle doesn't even have gps....no thanks

**Sauceboy25** · 09-06-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by JHBThree

Of the nexus 7? The hardware is over $180. They have zero space to reduce the price at all.

Well the problem is that its being produced by Asus - I don't know who's manufacturing the Kindle or if Amazon is completely controlling that supply chain. If its the latter, as I think, then it takes a large profit-requiring cog out of the chain, so its simply a lot easier to set up a product like the Fire where you can afford to lose money out of the box and make it up on content.

For Google to do that, with Asus as third-party manufacturer, is just simply a more complicated process.

**JHBThree** · 09-06-2012, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sauceboy25

Well the problem is that its being produced by Asus - I don't know who's manufacturing the Kindle or if Amazon is completely controlling that supply chain. If its the latter, as I think, then it takes a large profit-requiring cog out of the chain, so its simply a lot easier to set up a product like the Fire where you can afford to lose money out of the box and make it up on content.

For Google to do that, with Asus as third-party manufacturer, is just simply a more complicated process.

Amazon uses an OEM for their designs. (pegatron i think) The last Fire was a refeence design that was used as the basis for the Playbook.

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**seriyb** · 09-06-2012, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_k605

The only reason I the kindle will do better than the n7 is its a house hold name.

The new kindle doesn't even have gps....no thanks

That's a great point. I've never used KF extensively so i wouldn't know but does it have the ability to install:
- Google GPS/Navi
- Google talk (or at least some sort of a video chat app)... although Google talk is used by almost everyone with Google accounts.
- Gmail (or at least a mail app)? It must
- A banking app
- A cloud storage app
- Cloud based contacts app (linked to popular email services)

If not, then this device is extremely limited and I'll be shocked to see it take a serious market share. It wouldn't be a smart investment.
Someone please shed some light on this.
Thanks

Edit: i see they offer Amazon cloud storage

Ry · 09-06-2012, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by seriyb

That's a great point. I've never used KF extensively so i wouldn't know but does it have the ability to install:
- Google GPS/Navi
- Google talk (or at least some sort of a video chat app)... although Google talk is used by almost everyone with Google accounts.
- Gmail (or at least a mail app)? It must
- A banking app
- A cloud storage app
- Cloud based contacts app (linked to popular email services)

If not, then this device is extremely limited and I'll be shocked to see it take a serious market share. It wouldn't be a smart investment.
Someone please shed some light on this.
Thanks

Officially- rule out any Google Apps.

You can browse the Amazon App Market on the desktop to see about the other apps.

Via

IHS iSuppli's analysis of tablet market share also calls into question a dubious stat Amazon released last week. Amazon said the Kindle Fire holds a 22% market share in its nine months on the market -- but IHS iSuppli found that the Kindle Fire never held more than a 14% share, and sales have slipped significantly in recent months.

Still, over 10% market share would be significant but Amazon is probably using some fuzzy math.

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**ragingd** · 09-06-2012, 08:19 PM

Google needs to really step up its game in its ecosystem to compete. They also need to market and advertise the Nexus 7 more. Showcase it more to the masses.

The only good thing I hope comes from the new kindle fires would be for developers to develop more tablet apps. All android tablets lack tablet apps. Google needs to find a way to get developers to produce these apps. Without it, I believe android tablets won't succeed. Especially with Windows 8 tablets coming.

Ry · 09-06-2012, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by ragingd

Google needs to really step up its game in its ecosystem to compete. They also need to market and advertise the Nexus 7 more. Showcase it more to the masses.

The only good thing I hope comes from the new kindle fires would be for developers to develop more tablet apps. All android tablets lack tablet apps. Google needs to find a way to get developers to produce these apps. Without it, I believe android tablets won't succeed. Especially with Windows 8 tablets coming.

It really is about marketing.

Then the apps.

Depending on price, I can envision Windows 8 tablets killing off any momentum Android tablets can muster up in the next two months.

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