Looks like the ipad mini is a no-show meaning HUGE SALES for n7

**Nychotxxx** · 10-11-2012, 12:13 PM

This would be a great opportunity for asus/google to bring out a two-camera version with hdmi.

**Unicorn Rancher** · 10-11-2012, 12:16 PM

That sounds cool. What's the lead time for those design and production changes?

**YAYTech** · 10-11-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by UnicornRancher

That sounds cool. What's the lead time for those design and production changes?

Since he's just daydreaming... infinite years.

**KitN** · 10-11-2012, 12:48 PM

I agree, if Apple doesn't come out with an iPad Mini (there's still time), then that could spell HUGE sales for the Nexus 7. Yep.

And I agree, this would be a great time for Google to announce/release a supped-up version or even a scaled down version for $99-149 or simply drop the prices of current 8/16gb version to prime them to fly off shelves this holiday season! :thumbup:

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**still1** · 10-11-2012, 01:54 PM

people still forget that its Apple and the price would be some where between $350-400

No way its coming down to $250

**flux capacitor** · 10-11-2012, 02:07 PM

What on earth is this thread about?

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**Mongooze2** · 10-11-2012, 02:58 PM

Where is this coming from?? Why do you say it's a no-show?

**Unicorn Rancher** · 10-11-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by still1

people still forget that its Apple and the price would be some where between $350-400

$350 at a minimum and probably more.

Remember the 4" iPod Touch is $299 for the cheapest model. Expanding to a 7" screen, even with no other improvements, will drive up the price. Not only for the raw materials but the very real risk of cannibalizing their own sales with more competing products.

**natehoy** · 10-11-2012, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by KitN

or simply drop the prices of current 8/16gb version to prime them to fly off shelves this holiday season!

Let's go with the theory that Apple will not release an iPad Mini. Just as a theory, mind you, because it's a rumor at best (of course, so is the possible existence of an iPad Mini, but I digress...).

What about Apple NOT releasing a competing product (assuming it ever would have been one) makes you think that Google is going to DROP prices on a product they are already breaking even on at best?

If Apple doesn't come out with something in response to Google's current shot across the bow of the USS Cupertino, Google wins this battle. They don't need to keep firing ammunition. Google's Finance and Marketing departments will get together and build something even more Apple-threatening (Nexus 4 to compete with the iPod Touch and Nexus 10 to compete with the iPad, both 100 clams cheaper than Apple's offerings, maybe?). Or they'll add more awesomesauce to the Nexus 7 but charge accordingly.

If Apple does come out with the rumored iPad Mini in the 6-to-8 inch range with a competitive price point to the Nexus 7, THAT'S when things start getting awesome for us consumers, because Google will be forced back into the fight.

And the Nexus 7 is some pretty strong ammunition.

Personally, I'm really hoping Apple and a few other competitors DO come out with something that can compete with the Nexus 7. Amazon has already responded. The more people in the battle, the more we all win.

**1812dave** · 10-11-2012, 04:05 PM

I ink Samsung has already made a touch competitor

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**MantisToboggan** · 10-11-2012, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by UnicornRancher

$350 at a minimum and probably more.

Remember the 4" iPod Touch is $299 for the cheapest model. Expanding to a 7" screen, even with no other improvements, will drive up the price. Not only for the raw materials but the very real risk of cannibalizing their own sales with more competing products.

The iPod Touch has absolutely no bearing on the price of the iPad Mini.

The same way as how the $650 iPhone doesn't have any bearing on the $500 10" iPad.

**1812dave** · 10-11-2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by MantisToboggan

The iPod Touch has absolutely no bearing on the price of the iPad Mini.

The same way as how the $650 iPhone doesn't have any bearing on the $500 10" iPad.

Disagree. The iPhone is a subsidized phone. The touch is a small factor iPad mini if u will and price will be carefully thought out by Apple

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**Nychotxxx** · 10-11-2012, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mongooze2

Where is this coming from?? Why do you say it's a no-show?

Because it hasnt shown and reports say its delayed possibly for months.

**MantisToboggan** · 10-11-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by dave1812dave

Disagree. The iPhone is a subsidized phone.

That makes no difference in the context of this discussion. It's a $650 device, whether you pay the $650 up front out of contract or if you sign a contract and pay for it over 2 years, it's still a $650 device. The fact is the 3.5" (and now 4") device costs more than the 10" tablet. So, saying "The touch costs $XXX so the bigger screen tablet has to cost more" is unfounded.

The touch is a small factor iPad mini if u will and price will be carefully thought out by Apple

The iPod Touch is an iPhone without cell service. Just like with the iPhone, it's price has absolutely no bearing on the price of a tablet that Apple sells. They are in completely different markets, just like the iPad and iPhone. Their prices do not effect each other.

**Unicorn Rancher** · 10-11-2012, 05:34 PM

Time will tell.

**roblox84** · 10-11-2012, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by MantisToboggan

The iPod Touch has absolutely no bearing on the price of the iPad Mini.

The same way as how the $650 iPhone doesn't have any bearing on the $500 10" iPad.

You're right. Pricing for Apple doesn't really matter. They could charge 500–600 for a mini ipad and people will still buy it. The easiest way to describe this is that Apple fan people are basically a cult of their own and are forced to support apple products no matter what. This isn't a joke either, marketing people that were working under Steve Jobs were very good at what they did.

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**MantisToboggan** · 10-11-2012, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Solutions Etcetera

Nope. Historically the iPod has had much weaker processors and camera. This is still the case with the current version, even given the higher price.

No, what I originally said is correct. The iPod Touch IS an iPhone without cell service. Just because a couple specs are a little bit lacking, it doesn't change that fact.

**1812dave** · 10-11-2012, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by MantisToboggan

No, what I originally said is correct. The iPod Touch IS an iPhone without cell service. Just because a couple specs are a little bit lacking, it doesn't change that fact.

Sorry but you lost that argument with solutions. :-)

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**MantisToboggan** · 10-11-2012, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by dave1812dave

Sorry but you lost that argument with solutions. :-)

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There is no argument, I am simply stating facts.

Next you are going to tell me that the 8GB Nexus 7 isn't a tablet because it has less storage space than the 16GB model

**1812dave** · 10-11-2012, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by MantisToboggan

There is no argument, I am simply stating facts.

Next you are going to tell me that the 8GB Nexus 7 isn't a tablet because it has less storage space than the 16GB model

Just STOP

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**jpash549** · 10-12-2012, 01:37 PM

October 23? Not a 7" but 7.85" , 4 to 3 aspect ratio having about 40℅ more screen area than Nexus 7. Will the larger screen make it more popular than the N7 size if the weight can be kept down to ~400 grams?

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**1812dave** · 10-13-2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by jpash549gg

October 23? Not a 7" but 7.85" , 4 to 3 aspect ratio having about 40℅ more screen area than Nexus 7. Will the larger screen make it more popular than the N7 size if the weight can be kept down to ~400 grams?

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I thought rumors claim that it will not be a 4:3 aspect ratio

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**jpash549** · 10-13-2012, 12:21 PM

There were some rumours that it would be 16 to 9 aspect ratio but the predominant and most recent opinions are that it will be like the iPad2 just smaller screen diagonal as far as the screen goes. The internals of course will probably be different. In other words "rumour has it"- we shall see if they actually announce on 10/23. Perchance could at least some of these rumours be "official Apple" leaks to build up interest and maintain center stage position? That probably happened with the iPhone5.

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**Borarjti** · 10-13-2012, 12:23 PM

Even if the Ipad Mini ever comes out, it will still be out done by any AND every Android tablet, because apple will still limit what people can do with their devices as they have done since the first iphone came out.

**jrwatson** · 10-13-2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by UnicornRancher

$350 at a minimum and probably more. . . . Remember the 4" iPod Touch is $299 for the cheapest model. Expanding to a 7" screen, even with no other improvements, will drive up the price. Not only for the raw materials but the very real risk of cannibalizing their own sales with more competing products.

yeahh there's no way they're going to start pricing the iPod Touch at what it's really worth lol. I mean it made sense 10 years ago when the technology was fairly new to the public, and electronics were more costly in general (I mean, in high school I gladly forked over $300 for a 32GB ipod video).

twenty years down the line if they still make iPods, I won't be surprised if it'll still be priced at the equivalent of $300, even if they haven't made any revolutionary changes to the design. whereas an iPhone is a phone, an iTouch is essentially a 4" tablet.