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    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    Quote Originally Posted by ncguy View Post
    I think then that you would like cyberon even better. It is also very accurate and it uses voice verification. No need to touch any buttons to cancel dialing. It would be my first choice if I could use it without having to disable search and google now.
    I'll try Cyberon soon. For the moment, I'm experimenting with the Voice Control app, mainly because they provide a 7 day free trial license, which I really appreciate as an alternative to the regular 15 minute setup and trial window in Play. They also maintain an active support presence and forum for the app, so it looks like support may be meaningful.

    The Voice Control app also provides confirmation, which does work (but the option setup seems backwards to me). So far, my voice input results are spotty - some commands (Call and Wake Me Up, Signal Level, Battery Level, Start app, What Time is it?) work well, and it does pick up names correctly, whereas I can't get "Set Alarm" to work at all, which isn't a major problem. I haven't tried Bluetooth on it yet, however.
  2. #27  

    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    Quote Originally Posted by vicw926a4 View Post
    I'll try Cyberon soon. For the moment, I'm experimenting with the Voice Control app, mainly because they provide a 7 day free trial license, which I really appreciate as an alternative to the regular 15 minute setup and trial window in Play. They also maintain an active support presence and forum for the app, so it looks like support may be meaningful.

    The Voice Control app also provides confirmation, which does work (but the option setup seems backwards to me). So far, my voice input results are spotty - some commands (Call and Wake Me Up, Signal Level, Battery Level, Start app, What Time is it?) work well, and it does pick up names correctly, whereas I can't get "Set Alarm" to work at all, which isn't a major problem. I haven't tried Bluetooth on it yet, however.
    Sounds interesting. Please report back on the Bluetooth voice dialing once tested.
  3. #28  

    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    Quote Originally Posted by ncguy View Post
    Sounds interesting. Please report back on the Bluetooth voice dialing once tested.
    I was really impressed with the feature set, options and UI on Voice Control, but unfortunately I just couldn't get stable BT operation with it, either using my Galaxy Nexus w. JB, or my old Droid X, with Gingerbread, paired with my Jabra Journey hands-free unit. It performed unpredictably on both, and in a couple of cases required a reboot of my phone to restore normal app operation.

    I went ahead and purchased and installled Cyberon, per your recommendation. It worked fine, with no issues that I have found so far, BT or otherwise. The $6 price seems pretty stiff for so simple an app, and I wish it could start a navigation cycle, but it works well for the basic phone dialing function, with confirmation. I do like the fact that it allows the user to filter out contacts that aren't likely prospects for hands-free dialing, or that don't have phone numbers associated with them.

    While I had the BT issue with Voice Control, I would encourage anyone to try out the free test version, and perhaps you won't have BT issues, in which case that app would be my first choice.

    It will be very interesting to see where Google goes with this issue - whether they have made a conscious, and probably irreversible decision to cut out third-party voice dialer apps, or it it was simply a mistake or oversight on their part. Even if they want to fix it, who knows how long it will take to work its way out to the field.
  4. #29  

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicw926a4 View Post

    It will be very interesting to see where Google goes with this issue - whether they have made a conscious, and probably irreversible decision to cut out third-party voice dialer apps, or it it was simply a mistake or oversight on their part. Even if they want to fix it, who knows how long it will take to work its way out to the field.
    That is certainly a very key question about the future of the Android platform for me personally.

    I forgot to mention that if you buy the cyberon international English version instead of the us version it adds the digit dialing feature which apparently is patent protected in the us. Probably something to discuss in a PM.
  5. #30  

    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    Quote Originally Posted by ncguy View Post
    That is certainly a very key question about the future of the Android platform for me personally.

    I forgot to mention that if you buy the cyberon international English version instead of the us version it adds the digit dialing feature which apparently is patent protected in the us. Probably something to discuss in a PM.
    Hmm. I bought the US version yesterday. I'll send you a PM on that subject. I've been testing some more on Voice Control with BT, and finally got it working, by using one of the Bluetooth options in the app, namely "Disable Bluetooth audio handling", which eliminates the app greeting, and uses the phone mic for command input, but otherwise works. I don't know if I could live with the phone mic thing, but it does have some good features, including the ability to digit dial, and an array of options, including the ability to digit dial. I also noted that it has an option to report the caller name on incoming calls, which works, as opposed to Cyberon and Vlingo, which just report the number. At my age, I have a hard time remembering my own number, let alone associate the caller's phone number with his name.
  6. #31  

    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    Nice features, especially caller announce but bluetooth is definitely a requirement for me.
  7. #32  

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    Me too. The command input via the BT mic is an absolute requirement. I've queried the developer on that subject FWIW.

    I also like the Battery Level response, rather than have to try to read it out on the tiny Notification Bar.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
  8. #33  

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    Does anyone think that Google will be able to separate the voice dialing feature from the other voice features so that voice dialing works without a data connection? I do not lknowe why the voice dialing feature needs to go to the server.
    I live in Canada but am in the US 5 days a week where I can still make phone calls without roaming but I do not have the data roaming turned on. Right now it is a pain because all I get is a network error when trying to voice dial.
  9. #34  

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    I subscribed to this forum just to thank you. Using Titanium Backup to freeze Google Search is really a great idea.
    It allowed me to do some test using different apps. Even though I was not able to find a working solution for me.

    I have a galaxy nexus with cyanogenmod 10.
    Cyanogenmod 10 adds the old voice dialer as the default dialer when pressing the BT dial button.
    The voice dialer is English only, so it is useless for me (I'm Italian... yes I can say "call" instead of the corresponding Italian word... but then... none of my contacts is recognized).

    If I freeze the voice dialer app, the new google dialer is used, but that is useless too: for some strange reasons this is English only while called through the BT button.
    Note that, when I use Google Search I can speak in Italian, and it works perfectly, even offline (I downloaded the offline Italian package).

    So, I freezed the new google dialer and now I can launch Cyberon Voice Commander.

    Happy then? you can say.... NO!

    When used through my car bluetooth system, Cyberon is totally mute. I don't know why. Other apps works perfectly, e.g. Vlingo is ok.

    So I tried Vlingo... but Vlingo only work when the screen of the nexus is not locked, besides, Vlingo works online only.

    So:
    1) old voice dialer: English only
    2) new google voice dialer: Enlish only (even though everything else is in Italian, even offline)
    3) Cyberon Voice Commander: mute
    4) Vlingo: online only, and not working when the screen is locked.

    Wawwww!!!!

    I want to do some more test with Cyberon, there must be a way to get it working. Any idea?

    Thank you again.
  10. #35  

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    I've not had the muting problem with Cyberon with Google Search frozen on my stock, rooted VZN Galaxy Nexus, paired to a Jabra Journey. It's been the most reliable of the 3rd party apps for me, but it's really limited in features. Forgive me for asking the obvious, but did you reset the phone after configuring the app?

    I also learned an alternate way to block Google Search. The 8/28/12 app update removed the Disable App feature in Google Search, but if you instruct the app to Remove All Updates, in Settings/Apps, the button is restored, and you can then disable it. The disabled condition stays after a reboot. Behavior of the 3rd party apps is pretty much the same as freezing with TB, but doesn't require a rooted device.

    As an alternate app, you might try the Eva Intern app. It has a huge array of features and options, and the developer gives a 30 day free trial license of the full app before you need to purchase. It's more complicated setting up, and I'm encountering an idiosyncracy or two due to the workaround, but I'm very impressed with it, and the developer is totally engaged in support via email.

    There are three versions of the paid app - Eva, Evan and AVX - all identical functionally, and differing only in the UI. They are set up so that your configuration are remembered if you switch between them.

    You do need to keep Vlingo installed, so that the other apps can use its voice recognizer engine.

    Good luck

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
  11. #36  

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    I called Verizon and asked about this issue. Apparently it is a known issue. As usual, they had no idea when a fix will be o

    I told the tier 2 tech support guy that the problem is a serious driving safety issue, he agreed with me. His suprevisor said that I had the
    option of exchanging my 11-month-old Galaxy Nexus for a brand new Samsung Galaxy S3. He put notes in my account
    for this offer. He said all I had to do was to visit a Verizon corporate-owned/operated store and they'll give me a new GS3.
    Hmmmm..... not sure if I want to do that. Do I really want to give up my Galaxy with Jelly Bean for a VZW GS3 with outdated
    ICS software?

    Verizon seems to prefer to exchange phones to shut up complaining customers.This has already happened to me once.
    When my VZW Samsusung Fascinate was still on Froyo, it had many software problems which Verizon could fix.
    (Gingerbread was the solution, but you know how long it took Verizon to push that out) Anyway, I was offered a free
    exchange from my old banged-up Fascinate to a new VZW Samsung Droid Charge. I did accept their offer and
    received a new Droid Charge as promised. Now I don't know if I want to go down the same road and exchange my
    Galaxy Nexus for a new Galaxy S3. Perhaps I should wait a couple more weeks and see if they'll upgrad the offer
    to a Galaxy Note 2.

    Sheesh... why can't Verizon, Samsung, and Google come up with a fix for this "simple" bluetooth headphone problem?

    (P.S. being the bonehead that I am, I did not notice this thread before starting another one asking the same question... sorry)
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  12. #37  

    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    I don't think Verizon will have anything to contribute to solving this problem, except by perhaps delaying the fix from distribution. I think this a pure Google JB issue.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
  13. #38  

    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    Quote Originally Posted by vicw926a4 View Post
    I've not had the muting problem with Cyberon with Google Search frozen on my stock, rooted VZN Galaxy Nexus, paired to a Jabra Journey. It's been the most reliable of the 3rd party apps for me, but it's really limited in features. Forgive me for asking the obvious, but did you reset the phone after configuring the app?
    If you mean "restart", then yes, I restarted my phone after installin Cyberon.
    If you mean "re-bind" to the bluetooth headset, no. I will try this later, after work.
    Besides, yesterday I found this on google, I tried this and worked: if I push the BT button, and then I enter the Cyberon options, and then I exit the options... it starts working! This need to be done just once (per bluetooth binding? need to test again).


    Quote Originally Posted by vicw926a4 View Post
    I also learned an alternate way to block Google Search. The 8/28/12 app update removed the Disable App feature in Google Search, but if you instruct the app to Remove All Updates, in Settings/Apps, the button is restored, and you can then disable it. The disabled condition stays after a reboot. Behavior of the 3rd party apps is pretty much the same as freezing with TB, but doesn't require a rooted device.
    I did know this method, but, to me, it is much more convenient to simply disable the app with TB. Besides, I used the "remove all updates"/"disable" method before and then, after re-installing the updates back, I had some problems with the settings panel, language selection (I do not remember what exactly was the problem, I don't want to try again).


    Quote Originally Posted by vicw926a4 View Post
    There are three versions of the paid app - Eva, Evan and AVX - all identical functionally, and differing only in the UI. They are set up so that your configuration are remembered if you switch between them.

    You do need to keep Vlingo installed, so that the other apps can use its voice recognizer engine.
    I saw it on google play, but I did not try it because it says it is English only.
  14. #39  

    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    Quote Originally Posted by mturconi View Post
    If you mean "restart", then yes, I restarted my phone after installin Cyberon.
    If you mean "re-bind" to the bluetooth headset, no. I will try this later, after work.
    Besides, yesterday I found this on google, I tried this and worked: if I push the BT button, and then I enter the Cyberon options, and then I exit the options... it starts working! This need to be done just once (per bluetooth binding? need to test again).
    Actually, I meant to say "reboot", but from what you say about the Cyberon oddity on your phone, it sounds like the re-pairing may be more likely to help in your case.

    Quote Originally Posted by mturconi View Post
    I did know this method, but, to me, it is much more convenient to simply disable the app with TB. Besides, I used the "remove all updates"/"disable" method before and then, after re-installing the updates back, I had some problems with the settings panel, language selection (I do not remember what exactly was the problem, I don't want to try again).
    The Disable alternative would be more useful for non-rooted phones, I guess. I've been back and forth between the TB Freeze and the app Disable alternative, and I haven't experienced any issues, but there must be some subtle difference in our devices, or configuration that is causing the behavior on yours to be different than mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by mturconi View Post
    saw it on google play, but I did not try it because it says it is English only.
    Sorry, I didn't even think about alternate language availability - it's too bad it's only available in English, but I doubt the developer will be adding more, given the complexity of the app, and the fact that he is a one man operation.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 2
  15. #40  

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    Well:
    Cyberon now is ok, apparently the access to the options was needed only once.
    Google Now, and old phone dialer freeze are automatically mantained after a reboot.

    So... YEAH!!!!

    For the time being, I can live without google now.

    Thank you again for the idea of using TB.

    (I will spread this hint on other forums, maybe other people may find this helpful too)
  16. #41  

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    Glad to hear that all is well. Good idea to spread the word. There will be tons of folks affected as JB distribution ramps up, although I don't know how non-Nexus versions will behave, and maybe some of the other versions will have fixes built-in. Actually, I hope they don't, only because it will raise the heat on Google to fix this thing.

    I'm amazed that this problem hasn't surfaced on any of the media, or even the Android venues, such as Android Central. I think it's at least as serious as antenna-gate was on the iPhone, with a considerable potential safety impact, if smartphones are actually being used for hands-free operation while driving.

    While you are spreading the word about TB use, I recommend that you include mention of the alternative use of Disabling the Google Search app, for the majority of users who don't have their phones rooted.
  17. #42  

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    I haven't had a chance yet to try this in the below link personally but it looks like work is being done on a workaround. This looks promising.

    Should also mention that android 4.2 will be revealed Monday on the new nexus 4. There's always hope that it will contain a permanent solution.

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1883895
    Found a way to choose my Bluetooth button app with Google now installed
  18. #43  

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncguy View Post
    I haven't had a chance yet to try this in the below link personally but it looks like work is being done on a workaround. This looks promising.

    Should also mention that android 4.2 will be revealed Monday on the new nexus 4. There's always hope that it will contain a permanent solution.

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1883895
    Found a way to choose my Bluetooth button app with Google now installed
    I hope 4.2 will fix it. I tried the method in that link, but didn't have any success. I didn't see any option in TB, as the thread had indicated, to make the Google Search app a User rather than system app. I will need to go back and try again.

    UPDATE: I went back and carefully tried the workaround from the XDA link, but it doesn't work on my GN. The Convert to User App option doesn't appear as an option in TB Special Features for the Google Search app.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 2
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    Good news for some. If you are content using a third party voice dialer like cyberon then the latest play store update to google voice enables the use once again of third party dialers as the default voice dialer. This is a huge development for me and many others and will allow me to now start playing with stock JB once again!

    If you like using the stock voice dialer then it also was improved in that it now provides confirmation prior to dialing. Sadly it was still so inaccurate that I found once again unusable. I read somewhere that you could train the voice but I'm not familiar with how to do that. If anyone knows how please chime in.

    Thank you google!
  20. #45  

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncguy View Post
    Good news for some. If you are content using a third party voice dialer like cyberon then the latest play store update to google search enables the use once again of third party dialers as the default voice dialer. This is a huge development for me and many others and will allow me to now start playing with stock JB once again!

    If you like using the stock voice dialer then it also was improved in that it now provides confirmation prior to dialing. Sadly it was still so inaccurate that I found once again unusable. I read somewhere that you could train the voice but I'm not familiar with how to do that. If anyone knows how please chime in.

    Thank you google!
  21. #46  

    Default Re: Jelly Bean Bluetooth Voice Dialing is totally useless

    Quote Originally Posted by ncguy View Post
    Good news for some. If you are content using a third party voice dialer like cyberon then the latest play store update to google voice enables the use once again of third party dialers as the default voice dialer. This is a huge development for me and many others and will allow me to now start playing with stock JB once again!

    If you like using the stock voice dialer then it also was improved in that it now provides confirmation prior to dialing. Sadly it was still so inaccurate that I found once again unusable. I read somewhere that you could train the voice but I'm not familiar with how to do that. If anyone knows how please chime in.

    Thank you google!
    Yes, it's all working great for me. I'm now able to use Eva 3rd party dialer on Bluetooth, without needing an alternate speech recognizer app, no longer need to disable Google Search, and regained use of Google Now and the Google Search bar. Life is good.

    Sorry I was starting to have ugly thoughts about you, Google. You have redeemed yourself.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
  22. #47  

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicw926a4 View Post
    Yes, it's all working great for me. I'm now able to use Eva 3rd party dialer on Bluetooth, without needing an alternate speech recognizer app, no longer need to disable Google Search, and regained use of Google Now and the Google Search bar. Life is good.

    Sorry I was starting to have ugly thoughts about you, Google. You have redeemed yourself.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    I have noticed that when I'm listening to audio, like a doggcatcher podcast, and take a call that after the call the podcast will automatically resume but the volume has been reduced to zero. Its a bit annoying and causes you to miss a bit of the audio until you remember to check the volume. Have you had this issue yet?
  23. #48  

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncguy View Post
    I have noticed that when I'm listening to audio, like a doggcatcher podcast, and take a call that after the call the podcast will automatically resume but the volume has been reduced to zero. Its a bit annoying and causes you to miss a bit of the audio until you remember to check the volume. Have you had this issue yet?
    Just tried the phone call received while listening to doggcatcher. The volume did drop off on the podcast to almost nothing after the call, but the phone volume settings hadn't changed at all - just the volume within doggcatcher, until I paused and restarted the podcast. Looks to me to be more an issue within doggcatcher. I also noted that if I paused a podcast in doggcatcher, the next incoming call didn't even ring the phone. I didn't see any of that behavior listening on Amazon MP3 player.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 2
  24. #49  

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicw926a4 View Post
    Just tried the phone call received while listening to doggcatcher. The volume did drop off on the podcast to almost nothing after the call, but the phone volume settings hadn't changed at all - just the volume within doggcatcher, until I paused and restarted the podcast. Looks to me to be more an issue within doggcatcher. I also noted that if I paused a podcast in doggcatcher, the next incoming call didn't even ring the phone. I didn't see any of that behavior listening on Amazon MP3 player.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 2
    I was wondering about doggcatcher being the problem but I didn't have this issue prior to jb when it worked with ICS. BTW, thanks for testing it.

    I'm also having issues now with the cyberon volume level. It is very low, much lower than before, and no apparent way to raise it. If there is background noise you really can't hear the voice.
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    NCGuy, Yes, I'm now going to try this. Do you recommend the Cyberon Voice Commander or the Cyberon Voice Speed Dial? Thanks for all your help on this one.
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