Why does everyone want ICS so bad?

**Saneless** · 05-12-2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by pergerson6

I have to admit meanrom is in the lead right now on these ics roms.

Nah, any rom that forces both cores online all the time pretty much shows it doesn't really understand how these phones are supposed to work.

**pergerson6** · 05-12-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Saneless

Nah, any rom that forces both cores online all the time pretty much shows it doesn't really understand how these phones are supposed to work.

I think mikeyxda would seriously disagree!

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**Saneless** · 05-12-2012, 08:49 PM

A lot of the devs disagree with my point of view

But I take the stance that for the most part, Google and HTC engineers have a better grasp of what's going on than they do.

**pergerson6** · 05-12-2012, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Saneless

A lot of the devs disagree with my point of view

But I take the stance that for the most part, Google and HTC engineers have a better grasp of what's going on than they do.

So why does my phone run superior rooted than unrooted? You find a stock single core 3D that gets benchmarks like this then you can have a debate!

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**Saneless** · 05-13-2012, 12:29 PM

Your definition of superior is different than mine. So your phone "won" a benchmark test. I haven't had a single issue with speed with the standard clock speed, why would I want to ruin my battery by increasing it?

I don't play benchmarks all day. I actually use my phone, and the longer I can use it without charging, the better. If I wanted to take benchmark screenshots all day, then sure, I'd run this thing faster than I do now. But when I want to have a completely great experience, without lag, that lasts 20 hours, I leave it the way it is.

**pergerson6** · 05-13-2012, 01:28 PM

I'm using zr-icsense GT with stock kernel running 1188 max 756 min! When I was still on 3.0 GT I was at 1728 max 384 min! Sure the battery is better at stock but the performance was far better over clocked. Using dodava's kernel was just as stable as stock. I still could get at least 12 hours with slightly above average usage. And benchmarks do have some value in showing what your phone is capable of unless you use a fake rigged Rom like sk rom. But I have to admit I'm perfectly satisfied with the stock performance on zr-icsense gt.

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**benny3** · 05-13-2012, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Saneless

A lot of the devs disagree with my point of view

But I take the stance that for the most part, Google and HTC engineers have a better grasp of what's going on than they do.

lol are you kidding. why then are you running a custom rom and not the one HTC gave you...just saying

**pergerson6** · 05-14-2012, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by benny3

lol are you kidding. why then are you running a custom rom and not the one HTC gave you...just saying

I would like to hear this response also?? All dual-core roms utilize power a lot better than a single core would. In reality you would get better performance at stock speeds than a single core over clocked!

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**Saneless** · 05-15-2012, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by pergerson6

I would like to hear this response also?? All dual-core roms utilize power a lot better than a single core would. In reality you would get better performance at stock speeds than a single core over clocked!

And I get the best overall experience and battery life by leaving the core stock, so it uses the speed it's given and uses the second core only when necessary. Dual core in a standard environment all the time is not going to change your experience all that much. It's just not designed to. Again, if all you experience is benchmarks, I suppose that statement will be different for you.

But why not stock? Plenty of reasons. Reboot menu, battery guage, tethering, notification changes, leedroid tweaks, browser edits, different signal themes, themes in general, keyboard changes, audio changes, removed bloat, and disabled logging.

Since I don't play benchmarks all day and I don't have any lag with anything, plus I have great battery life, I get plenty out of ROMs.

**pergerson6** · 05-15-2012, 10:57 AM

I'm using the stock linux 3.0 ics kernel right now and my benchmarks are probably half of what they were oc at 1.7 GHz. And my on hands performance seems the same to me running both cores. It seems running one core has a lot of lag but not when both cores are active.

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**sunriseshell** · 05-16-2012, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by pergerson6

I was just wondering why everyone wants ICS so bad?

Because it's freaking awesome!

Originally Posted by P_M_G

if everybody thought this way, they'd still be on froyo. or worse....on a bb or phone where you have to dial 7777 to type an "S"...

Agreed.

Originally Posted by P_M_G

...it's the reason we all root ... we aren't happy with just stock and/or standing still with our devices.

I haven't took the plunge with my ƎVO yet, waiting for the official release, too afraid to void warranty etc.
I am running CM9 on my Touchpad, it's really really nice. Better than GB and HC IMO. Runs really smooth, app switching is great. Lots of options to customize the launcher. it just feels like a "proper" working software, the're really starting to get it right.
The difference between GB and ICS to me is like the difference between Vista and 7. The first attempt was ambitious, but still "rough around the edges". The later one got it right, everything works like it should.

**pergerson6** · 05-16-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by sunriseshell

Because it's freaking awesome!

Agreed.

I haven't took the plunge with my VO yet, waiting for the official release, too afraid to void warranty etc.
I am running CM9 on my Touchpad, it's really really nice. Better than GB and HC IMO. Runs really smooth, app switching is great. Lots of options to customize the launcher. it just feels like a "proper" working software, the're really starting to get it right.
The difference between GB and ICS to me is like the difference between Vista and 7. The first attempt was ambitious, but still "rough around the edges". The later one got it right, everything works like it should.

I see that now lol!

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**jean15paul** · 05-17-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by sunriseshell

Because it's freaking awesome!

Agreed.

I haven't took the plunge with my [HL]ƎVO[/HL] yet, waiting for the official release, too afraid to void warranty etc.
I am running CM9 on my Touchpad, it's really really nice. Better than GB and HC IMO. Runs really smooth, app switching is great. Lots of options to customize the launcher. it just feels like a "proper" working software, the're really starting to get it right.
The difference between GB and ICS to me is like the difference between Vista and 7. The first attempt was ambitious, but still "rough around the edges". The later one got it right, everything works like it should.

@sunriseshell Where did you get that slick backwards "E"????

**Paul627g** · 05-17-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by jean15paul

@sunriseshell Where did you get that slick backwards "E"????

Like this one..

Ǝ

If you have a Windows computer.. Look under in your start menu/programs/accessories/system tools/character map.

You will find the backwards " Ǝ " along with dozens and dozens of other letters to copy and paste.

FYI, Its called Latin Capital Letter Reversed E

**sunriseshell** · 05-17-2012, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Paul627g

Like this one..

Ǝ

If you have a Windows computer.. Look under in your start menu/programs/accessories/system tools/character map.

You will find the backwards " Ǝ " along with dozens and dozens of other letters to copy and paste.

FYI, Its called Latin Capital Letter Reversed E

Yep

**VickMackey#AC** · 05-18-2012, 02:39 PM

If the multi-tasking issue afflicts our build of ICS, I won't upgrade.

**BigDinCA** · 05-18-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by VickMackey

If the multi-tasking issue afflicts our build of ICS, I won't upgrade.

I believe the new multi-tasking system is a function of the 4.0 build of Sense and shouldn't affect the 3.6 build we'll get with the ICS update.

**spind426** · 05-24-2012, 08:29 AM

Ok to the know it all that say devs dont know what they are talking about by forcing both cores online is a complete moron. Do me a favor genius. If you look at a screencast video capture clip on youtube on any stock droid device the video is choppy and runs very poorly. When i ran stock evo3d forget about it, it was a lag fest, both the game order and chaos, and screencast ran poorly while trying to record video. After root and forcing both cores online (my battery life remained exactly the same let me include) I WAS ABLE TO RUN SCREENCAST FLAWLESSLY! Not only that but i manually increased the capture rate to 30FPS rather than 24. I could then run screencast without even knowing it was running thats how smooth my phone ran. Than i felt like going all out and setting the resolution to the highest setting and it still ran just as smooth! I will upload a clip of my screencaster perfomance just so you can compare it to other android screencast videos. After Meanrom/dodava 5.4 my phone runs always twice as fast as an iphone 4s. Yes i did a website speed load test and an application open test. It just amazes me that you are really trying to argue that 1core online with a second core that basically never runs is better... Not only that but you are blatently calling developers stupid!. Another clear example is running gta3/minecraft before and after root. The difference is like holy crap.. My phone actually runs more stable with true dualcore. Why put 100% stress on cpu1 and then wait for cpu2 to turn on then go right back off again when cpu1 goes down to 99% stress, its true, cpu2 really never has a load... Plus I tihnk the battery of real dualcore is actually better because cpu2 is not being enabled/disabled 100 times a session. Its like you are using a totally new phone when you enable true dualcore. EVO3D is a beast just waiting to be unleashed.. Do your phone a favor and enable true dualcore.

P.S. Nobody is "FORCING" both cores online at the same time. As with any dualcore chip, both cores run in sync with eachother.. It is just HTC that decided to add a configuration that made it so only one would run (which IMO is dumb.. i have no idea why they would do such a thing) But all the developers are doing is removing that extra..bogus script. And returning the chip to the way it was meant to be used. I could understand if they were trying to save battery but they really trapped in a lot of evo3d's true power.

1.Remove asynchronous core script
2.Remove underclock
...You have unleashed a monster.

**jefflabonte12** · 05-24-2012, 08:42 AM

Well on my phone it can only be a benefit! I heard so many time that the battery life would get better and that the update would allow me to have a better android experience so why not!

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**Saneless** · 05-25-2012, 10:33 PM

Very happy for you. I've never had good battery life with a dual core Rom , that's great that it's changed your life. Other actual software and hardware engineers have chimed in over the past year that back up what I've seen, but I'm sure some kid who is a hobbyist knows more

**zmann** · 05-26-2012, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Saneless

Very happy for you. I've never had good battery life with a dual core Rom , that's great that it's changed your life. Other actual software and hardware engineers have chimed in over the past year that back up what I've seen, but I'm sure some kid who is a hobbyist knows more

Very poor reading comprehension. Your attack is very unwarranted. Re -read what you are responding to.

EVO-LUTION 3D

**pergerson6** · 05-26-2012, 11:30 AM

I don't think virus,mikeyxda,dropzeroc,swagsr,d3rp,freeza,and aamikam are hobbiest! All there roms are dual-core and I think they pretty much know what there doing regarding Rom development.

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