Former Palm Pre people...

**reeneebob** · 09-03-2012, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Blaize19

I have two unlocked GSM Pre3s...wanna buy one of them? I don't really need two...

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If I had the cash I would.

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**zmann** · 09-03-2012, 10:51 AM

I don't mean to make this thread a WebOS vs android thing and I'm sorry,, I will stop now, but i just find it funny every now and then when I go over there and read some threads you still read how android has no multitasking and WebOS is better then everything on this planet (even though it's a dying system that nobody wants to make hardware for) and we android users are all drones,,, read that yesterday, yet there are many people still waiting for something that is never going to happen. Again sorry for the rant and ill shut up now.

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**crxssi** · 09-03-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by zmann

I don't mean to make this thread a WebOS vs android thing and I'm sorry,, I will stop now, but i just find it funny every now and then when I go over there and read some threads you still read how android has no multitasking

That is too funny! Android has always had multitasking... well.... until HTC took most of it away on the Evo LTE and One X..... but at least we have it back now

**hatchettjack** · 09-03-2012, 10:57 AM

dont get me wrong, i loved my palm pre, and in 2008 it was a ground breaking phone! but my evo lte and ice cream sandwich blows it away, and i hardly ever even think about it!

**crxssi** · 09-03-2012, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by zmann

Android does all the same things WebOS does, and just as fast.

Well, almost. The Pre/WebOS Linux did not have to be "rooted" to modify the system, which was great. And Android Linux doesn't use the card "metaphor" for the user interface. Yet Android has so much more than WebOS.... widgets being one huge thing, voice typing is another big one.

I will always have a fond place in my heart for the Palm Pre/WebOS, and a lot of good experiences (along with the bad). It could have been so much more if it came out sooner, had more resources behind it, hit multiple carriers much sooner, and offered better hardware. Palm let their smartphone line rot for YEARS before finally offering WebOS; nothing was worthwhile or innovative after the Treo 600 until the Pre (that is SIX YEARS!)

But I don't have any regrets and don't need to look back.

**crxssi** · 09-03-2012, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by hatchettjack

dont get me wrong, i loved my palm pre, and in 2008 it was a ground breaking phone!

2009 (I know it seems longer ago, though)

**Blaize19** · 09-03-2012, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by reeneebob

If I had the cash I would.

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I completely understand, but it's there if you get a wild hair. :-D

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**Mikey47** · 09-03-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Fisack23

Now, it's minimize, hold down the button for 2 seconds, flick aside, and wonder if it actually closed or is still hogging up space!

Not to dredge up two year old arguments, but you know you do know that just because you swiped away a card in webOS did **NOT** mean the application truly exited and was not consuming memory and cpu cycles right? In order to prove this all you needed to do was open a terminal Window, start an application like the browser, do a "ps" command to get a list of the processes running. In that list you will see the browser. Now swipe the browser away and do another "ps" and guess what? You still see the browser running! This would happen with many apps, not just the browser.

Why did this completely fly over so many people's heads? Because webOS, unlike Android, did not provide an easy way to see processes that were running. The assumption always was "if I don't see the card it isn't running", which is complete false.

**crxssi** · 09-03-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mikey47

Not to dredge up two year old arguments, but you know you do know that just because you swiped away a card in webOS did **NOT** mean the application truly exited and was not consuming memory and cpu cycles right? In order to prove this all you needed to do was open a terminal Window, start an application like the browser, do a "ps" command to get a list of the processes running. In that list you will see the browser. Now swipe the browser away and do another "ps" and guess what? You still see the browser running! This would happen with many apps, not just the browser.

Why did this completely fly over so many people's heads? Because webOS, unlike Android, did not provide an easy way to see processes that were running. The assumption always was "if I don't see the card it isn't running", which is complete false.

Interestingly, I have noticed the same behavior in Android/Sense. When you swipe away a "card" in the recently used tasks, I have often gone right into task manager and the app is still resident.

**kiwicarlos741** · 09-03-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by crxssi

Interestingly, I have noticed the same behavior in Android/Sense. When you swipe away a "card" in the recently used tasks, I have often gone right into task manager and the app is still resident.

I've noticed this from the start that let's say if u have a task killer it'll show u the apps it'll kill, they'll still be present in recent apps drawer and if u did it backwords let's say go to recent apps and close everything, I go to task manager and apps that I just closed are still open Su h ads facebook, games or a lot of other things, so technically speaking for the other poster both of them do not completely close the apps

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**scratchfwb** · 09-03-2012, 05:46 PM

Well with this battery it is barely noticeable. Withe the Pre I was on the charger after 5 hours.

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**ananniia** · 09-03-2012, 05:59 PM

I had the pre for 3 years before it died, moving to the evo 4g lte in May. I still miss having a physical keyboard and the multitasking, but its ok. I do really love ICS on the evo lte, and customization is great. I wish I could run webos on this phone, the screen is gorgeous, and I think it really would do webos justice. If I could have it my way, I would take the best features from each os and make my own!

**kiwicarlos741** · 09-03-2012, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by ananniia

I had the pre for 3 years before it died, moving to the evo 4g lte in May. I still miss having a physical keyboard and the multitasking, but its ok. I do really love ICS on the evo lte, and customization is great. I wish I could run webos on this phone, the screen is gorgeous, and I think it really would do webos justice. If I could have it my way, I would take the best features from each os and make my own!

That is one thing I truly miss as well is the phyisical keyboard. I could type without looking at where the buttons where and not have a single error. I can type without looking at this touch keyboard too but not as fast or without errors as the palm pre or palm treos I had.

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**Mikey47** · 09-03-2012, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by kiwicarlos741

I've noticed this from the start that let's say if u have a task killer it'll show u the apps it'll kill, they'll still be present in recent apps drawer and if u did it backwords let's say go to recent apps and close everything, I go to task manager and apps that I just closed are still open Su h ads facebook, games or a lot of other things, so technically speaking for the other poster both of them do not completely close the apps

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But this is my point exactly about the Pre, the same thing happened there. Remember there was no "task manager" app. You had to use the terminal app. If you did you would see many of these apps running after you thought you closed them.

**JimHuff** · 09-03-2012, 07:01 PM

The Wave Launcher helps with my Pre nostalgia.

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**kiwicarlos741** · 09-03-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mikey47

But this is my point exactly about the Pre, the same thing happened there. Remember there was no "task manager" app. You had to use the terminal app. If you did you would see many of these apps running after you thought you closed them.

Yeah I know that but I was just trying to say that ice cream sandwhich does the same exact thing, even tho u toss the cards away or use the task killer u go and see the running processes and the apps I just tossed or killed are still there sometimes. Both web is and ics do it.

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**Jonathan I Ezor#IM** · 09-03-2012, 08:32 PM

My Galaxy S3 is probably the closest thing to a worthy successor to my Pre3. Similar size and shape, large screen, removable battery. Still haven't tried the Touchstone mod, and webOS remains superior to Ice Cream Sandwich in many ways, but I can work well on my new phone. {Jonathan}

P.S. Damnit, I miss Preware, though.

**mstrblueskys** · 09-03-2012, 09:40 PM

I miss webOS with all my being. My Evo LTE replaced a pixi (because it was the only one that actually fit in a pocket) and as much as I love having maps almost instantly, a fantastic camera, a brilliant screen and a wonderful piece of hardware, I still visit WebOS Nation before I go to Android Central. I did the Sprint Pre and FrankenPre as well. I am hoping that after this month I'll be able to flash a new WebOS onto my EVO, but until that happens, I'm quite content with the EVO running CM10. I know it's not the same - but it will have to do (for now).

**jimmyg41** · 09-04-2012, 11:36 AM

Multi-tasking on Webos>>>>>>any other OS. That being said, I don't miss the lack of support from Palm or developers.

**midmofan** · 09-04-2012, 01:16 PM

Very loyal Palm and Pre user here for as long as i could be and still use my TouchPad all the time. (do have it dual-booting with CM-9 though). WebOS, (after the update) was wonderful, did a lot of things far better than either Android or I-Fruit and (if you got one that didn't fall apart) the Pre keybord and form factor was great. And NOTHING has approached the touchstone yet.

But even with the rose-colored screen protectors on, its important to keep some things in mind:

*WebOS lost a lot of the basic PIM functionality that Palm had made famous. Very basic and, for many, needed calendar, contact and tasking functions were just not adequate.

*WebOS took a while to even work well -- the first version was rushed and incomplete. A long-awaited update was great, but there were still things that needed to be done when the plug got pulled.

*Without going into all the why's, the apps and developers were just not there in enough numbers. There were some great apps to be sure, but not enough of them. Indeed, not even some of the key ones ones promised at the unveiling. And then, of course, some of the ones that were there at first started to go away or not be supported.

*The hardware was hit and miss at best, I went through 3 Pre's in a year before I got one that worked and didn't fall apart, and that one was starting to go when I gave up and got an EVO. Things did get better it seems near the end but by then...

*Thing took forever to boot up. And you had to reset often. Think would lock-up at the worst times.

*Battery life was bad. Just was. Had to buy an extended battery just to function.

In all, a "smartphone experience" is not just the OS or the multitasking or whatever, it is a combination of the OS, the apps, the hardware, the support, the carrier and more. With all of that, Android was a better choice for me and a lot of others with the OG Evo and am not sorry I switched then and like my EVO LTE as well even with the several issues (like multitasking) that are not up to par with other devices or the old Pre's

It is so sad because, by now, with continued REAL development, WebOS could have been even better and have had an open road for adoption since Palm/HP is very well protected in the patent-fight department.