[cadman]

Follow up post: So true about Crackberry! scroll down to the bottome of your screen and you'll see all news from the sister sites of AC for other devices. The news right now on CB says,"new premium clock app" and "we unbox a Bold 9700 AND it's WHITE!" I remember when the 9700 came out.

A year ago.

mwahahaha!!!!!

[bubbatex]

Still hard to determine until you put it in your hand. I went to T-M to see the HD2. It's not too bad, but it is still big!

[bubbatex]

i care because i want THE BIGGEST, BADDEST, AND BEST!

Coming from a guy who loved the Centro?!?

[Rizop]

I guess I'll play devil's advocate here for the sake of argument. Here are some reasons why one might consider the Incredible better than the EVO (I don't necessarily agree with these, I'm just listing them):

* Size - some people may prefer the smaller dimensions of the Incredible

* AMOLED screen is preferred by some

* Monthly cost - For those who use little to no texting (<250 messages/month), Verizon would only cost $70 or $75 / month depending on which texting option you choose. Sprint+EVO would require $80/month for the Everything Data + Premium Data add-on (yes, I realize you get unlimited texting with Sprint's plan, but to those who don't need it, it's a waste). With the mandatory $10/month fee, Sprint is no longer the cheapest option for everyone.

* Speed - we don't really know the answer to this yet. But it is certainly possible that the EVO in its current state is slower than the Incredible. The processor is the same, but the software is not. We don't really know. For all we know the kernels are quite a bit different because of the WiMax radio support (anyone who has done any Linux kernel development in the embedded world knows that sometimes vendor drivers can force you to switch your kernel base or require you to forward or back-port it). This is yet to be determined, but you guys certainly can't say that there is "no way" that the Incredible is faster. Software matters a lot.

The last thing I'll point out is that a lot of people probably won't care about the advantages that the EVO has over the Incredible:

* WiFi hotspot support: Largely irrelevant to many because not many will pay $30/month for it.

* Screen size: Seen as a disadvantage to some

* 4G/WiMax support: Not many cities have support for this yet. Based on the reviews so far, even 4G cities have spotty coverage (especially indoors). Finally, in many reviews the speeds aren't as high as Sprint is claiming for "typical" performance. Plus, given that 4G is such a huge drain on the battery, many will be forced to only using it occasionally.

* Front camera: A lot of people remain skeptical on video conferencing ever taking off

* HDMI out: This is another one of those features that will excite some users, but leave others scratching their head as to why they would ever really want it

That said, I'll *probably* end up getting the EVO myself, as I have access to a family plan that makes it more affordable. If I were on my own getting an individual plan, I'd likely go for the Incredible.

Great post

[FreezingD]

... I would say VZW is a better network, but that's where the advantages end. They're more expensive, their customer service is horrible, and they are not flexible at all with their policies. VZW would charge you to breathe if they could. I'll stick with Sprint thank you very much.

I agree that VZW would charge you to breathe if they could. But I found found them to be very flexible, and their customer service to also be very good. Maybe they are flexible because I'm never delinquent paying my bill?

It would have been a very, very difficult decision if the EVO had been available on VZW. I probably would have had to wait to hold both in my hand before I made my decision, same as if the N1 had been available. The Incredible has no other competition on VZW right now, so the choice was very clear. And I am very, extremely happy with this device.

[Septro]

I guess I'll play devil's advocate here for the sake of argument. Here are some reasons why one might consider the Incredible better than the EVO (I don't necessarily agree with these, I'm just listing them):

* Size - some people may prefer the smaller dimensions of the Incredible

* AMOLED screen is preferred by some

* Monthly cost - For those who use little to no texting (<250 messages/month), Verizon would only cost $70 or $75 / month depending on which texting option you choose. Sprint+EVO would require $80/month for the Everything Data + Premium Data add-on (yes, I realize you get unlimited texting with Sprint's plan, but to those who don't need it, it's a waste). With the mandatory $10/month fee, Sprint is no longer the cheapest option for everyone.

* Speed - we don't really know the answer to this yet. But it is certainly possible that the EVO in its current state is slower than the Incredible. The processor is the same, but the software is not. We don't really know. For all we know the kernels are quite a bit different because of the WiMax radio support (anyone who has done any Linux kernel development in the embedded world knows that sometimes vendor drivers can force you to switch your kernel base or require you to forward or back-port it). This is yet to be determined, but you guys certainly can't say that there is "no way" that the Incredible is faster. Software matters a lot.

The last thing I'll point out is that a lot of people probably won't care about the advantages that the EVO has over the Incredible:

* WiFi hotspot support: Largely irrelevant to many because not many will pay $30/month for it.

* Screen size: Seen as a disadvantage to some

* 4G/WiMax support: Not many cities have support for this yet. Based on the reviews so far, even 4G cities have spotty coverage (especially indoors). Finally, in many reviews the speeds aren't as high as Sprint is claiming for "typical" performance. Plus, given that 4G is such a huge drain on the battery, many will be forced to only using it occasionally.

* Front camera: A lot of people remain skeptical on video conferencing ever taking off

* HDMI out: This is another one of those features that will excite some users, but leave others scratching their head as to why they would ever really want it

That said, I'll *probably* end up getting the EVO myself, as I have access to a family plan that makes it more affordable. If I were on my own getting an individual plan, I'd likely go for the Incredible.

*Size - some people prefer flip phones and sliders too. Some prefer to read fully presented webpages and use a keyboard with more natural spacing. EVO is better.

*AMOLED - Have you tried to use the Incredible screen in open sunlight?? Yea I love brighter colors if I have to use two hands to provide shade for my phone to read it /sarcasm off. EVO wins

*Cost - Do an apples to apples comparison of equal plans and Sprint is consistently cost-competitive against other carriers. 450minutes and unlimited data, text = $10 diff to the benefit of Sprint versus Verizon. EVO wins.

*Speed - No we don't know the answer yet so why don't we just not comment?

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As for your other points:

*Wifi HotSpot - Wherever your laptop is at, do you have your phone with you? The answer is yes. And since I pay $59.99 for a 5GB capped Mobile broadband for my lappy from Verizon - $29.99 just saved me 30bucks with Sprint with no bandwidth caps. So yea Verizon can SUCK IT.

*Screen Size - yea and chicks say size doesn't matter too /sarcasm off

*4G/WiMax - since most the cities haven't been fully lit up yet - let's hold off on the sniping since every review has shown 4G to be faster than 3G in all cases. Whether it is reaching Sprint's advertised rate versus reality, that's yet to be told. But hey don't listen to the guy who gets barely .5mb/s download throughput on Verizon's supposedly superior 3G service in some locations and almost 2mb/s in others..

*Front Facing Cam - I'll wait till someone posts a detail review of the QIK app before I open my yapper and pretend to talk for 'a lot of people'

Trust me I'm not banging Verizon (I use it, my wife has an Eris) - but dam these emo posts from folks nibling at every little detail to find fault where there is an obvious benefit just crack me up.

[Yourdogsdead]

I guess I'll play devil's advocate here for the sake of argument. Here are some reasons why one might consider the Incredible better than the EVO (I don't necessarily agree with these, I'm just listing them):

* Size - some people may prefer the smaller dimensions of the Incredible

* AMOLED screen is preferred by some

* Monthly cost - For those who use little to no texting (<250 messages/month), Verizon would only cost $70 or $75 / month depending on which texting option you choose. Sprint+EVO would require $80/month for the Everything Data + Premium Data add-on (yes, I realize you get unlimited texting with Sprint's plan, but to those who don't need it, it's a waste). With the mandatory $10/month fee, Sprint is no longer the cheapest option for everyone.

* Speed - we don't really know the answer to this yet. But it is certainly possible that the EVO in its current state is slower than the Incredible. The processor is the same, but the software is not. We don't really know. For all we know the kernels are quite a bit different because of the WiMax radio support (anyone who has done any Linux kernel development in the embedded world knows that sometimes vendor drivers can force you to switch your kernel base or require you to forward or back-port it). This is yet to be determined, but you guys certainly can't say that there is "no way" that the Incredible is faster. Software matters a lot.

The last thing I'll point out is that a lot of people probably won't care about the advantages that the EVO has over the Incredible:

* WiFi hotspot support: Largely irrelevant to many because not many will pay $30/month for it.

* Screen size: Seen as a disadvantage to some

* 4G/WiMax support: Not many cities have support for this yet. Based on the reviews so far, even 4G cities have spotty coverage (especially indoors). Finally, in many reviews the speeds aren't as high as Sprint is claiming for "typical" performance. Plus, given that 4G is such a huge drain on the battery, many will be forced to only using it occasionally.

* Front camera: A lot of people remain skeptical on video conferencing ever taking off

* HDMI out: This is another one of those features that will excite some users, but leave others scratching their head as to why they would ever really want it

That said, I'll *probably* end up getting the EVO myself, as I have access to a family plan that makes it more affordable. If I were on my own getting an individual plan, I'd likely go for the Incredible.

Very nice post. Personally, I would have loved if the Evo had an AMOLED screen, but only the one that is actually usable in sunlight (Samsung makes it). My Zune is horrible in the sun.

Speed wise, from the reviews, it looks like it's the same as the Incredible (It has the same core does it not?)

Both phones are great, both phones are Android. So in the end we all win.

[Nate#AC]

*Size - some people prefer flip phones and sliders too. Some prefer to read fully presented webpages and use a keyboard with more natural spacing. EVO is better.

*AMOLED - Have you tried to use the Incredible screen in open sunlight?? Yea I love brighter colors if I have to use two hands to provide shade for my phone to read it /sarcasm off. EVO wins

*Cost - Do an apples to apples comparison of equal plans and Sprint is consistently cost-competitive against other carriers. 450minutes and unlimited data, text = $10 diff to the benefit of Sprint versus Verizon. EVO wins.

*Speed - No we don't know the answer yet so why don't we just not comment?

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As for your other points:

*Wifi HotSpot - Wherever your laptop is at, do you have your phone with you? The answer is yes. And since I pay $59.99 for a 5GB capped Mobile broadband for my lappy from Verizon - $29.99 just saved me 30bucks with Sprint with no bandwidth caps. So yea Verizon can SUCK IT.

*Screen Size - yea and chicks say size doesn't matter too /sarcasm off

*4G/WiMax - since most the cities haven't been fully lit up yet - let's hold off on the sniping since every review has shown 4G to be faster than 3G in all cases. Whether it is reaching Sprint's advertised rate versus reality, that's yet to be told. But hey don't listen to the guy who gets barely .5mb/s download throughput on Verizon's supposedly superior 3G service in some locations and almost 2mb/s in others..

*Front Facing Cam - I'll wait till someone posts a detail review of the QIK app before I open my yapper and pretend to talk for 'a lot of people'

Trust me I'm not banging Verizon (I use it, my wife has an Eris) - but dam these emo posts from folks nibling at every little detail to find fault where there is an obvious benefit just crack me up.

It was not an "emo" post. People were sincerely asking how anyone could say that the Incredible was superior. I gave reasons why people might think so. Yes, they are mostly subjective. Yes, your own personal opinions differ. That's not exactly surprising. Your own subjective preferences don't make EVO superior for everyone else.

As far as mentioning the speed issue, I mentioned it specifically because others in this thread were making silly claims like "there's no way the EVO is slower".

[Nate#AC]

Very nice post. Personally, I would have loved if the Evo had an AMOLED screen, but only the one that is actually usable in sunlight (Samsung makes it). My Zune is horrible in the sun.

Speed wise, from the reviews, it looks like it's the same as the Incredible (It has the same core does it not?)

Both phones are great, both phones are Android. So in the end we all win.

Yeah, it's the same processing core. There's no hardware limitation that would make one faster than the other. I only wanted to point out that because they are potentially running different kernels, performance might vary. In theory they should be able to make them perform the same, but that isn't necessarily true right away (especially with early firmware).

[Rizop]

It was not an "emo" post. People were sincerely asking how anyone could say that the Incredible was superior. I gave reasons why people might think so. Yes, they are mostly subjective. Yes, your own personal opinions differ. That's not exactly surprising. Your own subjective preferences don't make EVO superior for everyone else.

As far as mentioning the speed issue, I mentioned it specifically because others in this thread were making silly claims like "there's no way the EVO is slower".

Exactly. There are actually a couple of reviews (CNET and Washington post maybe) that insinuate that the EVO seems to be a little bit slower than the incredible...actually CNET said that the evo was NOWHERE as "zippy" as the incredible. We wont really know for sure until someone gets to see them side by side, but i hope this isn't the case. I have tinkered with my cousins' incredibles for an extended period of time and the phone had almost no stuttering/jutter issues out of the box. The unboxing videos that i have seen of the EVO show a very slight stutter/jutter issue(while scrolling through menus, etc..) that i didnt see with the incredible(hopefully this is me imagining things)

[Gekko]

Coming from a guy who loved the Centro?!?

at the time i bought the Centro, it was the best smartphone available on Sprint. if they would have had a Centro XL and XXL at the time - i would have bought the XXL.

[ashykat]

I agree that VZW would charge you to breathe if they could. But I found found them to be very flexible, and their customer service to also be very good. Maybe they are flexible because I'm never delinquent paying my bill?

It would have been a very, very difficult decision if the EVO had been available on VZW. I probably would have had to wait to hold both in my hand before I made my decision, same as if the N1 had been available. The Incredible has no other competition on VZW right now, so the choice was very clear. And I am very, extremely happy with this device.

I absolutely agree that the Incredible is a great device. I'm not crazy about AMOLED yet though due to the issues they have outside, but the color saturation looks pretty amazing. Every time I pick up my wifes Samsung Rogue I think, "God this screen looks great!" so I can definitely see the allure. Also the pocketability of the Evo will be somewhat a challenge at times I'm sure, which is something a 3.7 inch screen probably wouldn't give me. If I was going to stay with VZW that would be the phone I'd get.

As far as their customer service goes, maybe I've just had bad luck at my store? They've always been pretty unwavering even when speaking to management. I actually had to call *611 in their store and talk to customer service to finally get my issue resolved. I always paid on time as well. If money is no issue to people I definitely think that coverage wise VZW is the way to go. I don't think I ever had a dropped call with them, which is a far cry from my experience with AT&T.

[fry8]

Honestly it could just be the build quality between the different phones (from evo to evo). Maybe that's why some reviewers were saying it was slower or some have said that the call quality wasn't that great and some said that the call quality in fact did sound great. In my experience with the evo I did find the earpiece speaker to be on the soft side though. I will let you guys know if there is a difference between build quality between the mass market phone and the pre market phones.

[Gameboy70]

I'd consider getting the Incredible if it were on Sprint and supported 4G, just because it's more pocketable and has more internal memory. But I'd never switch carriers just for a phone, since all of them are bound to be obsolesced by something else in a few months. I'm going with the Evo since it's the one Snapdragon Android phone on Sprint that runs on 4G.

[Jordus]

I'll never understand why people are trying to go to arms over 2 phones that are very very close to one another.

I'd bet other than shell/screen and some carrier specific preloaded stuff and radios, the Incredible/Evo are essentially identical.

Incredible = best phone on Verizon

Evo = best phone on Sprint.

We shouldnt be fighting amongst our HTC friends, but rather be making fun of the iPhone noobs on AT&T

[MOE-GUNZ]

No phone is better than an another, its all personal preference <-- fact

[Tre Lawrence]

When people start making Incredible vs EVO diss tapes, I am out...

[shadrap]

East Side in da house.

[DroidGnome]

at the time i bought the Centro, it was the best smartphone available on Sprint. if they would have had a Centro XL and XXL at the time - i would have bought the XXL.

Me too! I got my Centro the day it was released (though purely by accident, didn't even know about it).. and use it STILL. It's a great little phone, and if you spend the time to research it's apps it is quite a powerful little device.

The Evo is the first phone I've seen (well except the Incredible) that has made me want to finally put my Centro to rest. I'm really gonna miss my Palm apps.

[crossover37#AC]

I have an EVO 4G, it's from Google I/O (they gave them to developers with a month of free service) and tne phone is awesome but this is what I noticed that is strange and hope it gets fixed in 2.2 froyo:

1. The YouTube app is a little buggy, when you go to a video and try to go back the screen stays black and I had to just press the home button because it wouldn't do anything

2. Sometimes the scrolling lags, not often but sometimes it was choppy

3. The weather apps don't update sometimes for a while, so you need to refresh it yourself

4. When you take pictures that are clear, the picture is blurry when you view it but when you zoom in on the picture a little bit the picture is crisp, you can wait and wait but the picture stays blurry until you zoom into picture, even just a little bit of zooming in will make the picture look how it should look...weird I know

[jxc]

no way the incredible is better, the EVO is currently the best phone in the world, IMO and besides, if you want a phone with a screen that is hard to see outside then go with the incredible, other than that, the EVO is better in every way...

of course, i believe that you should choose the best carrier for your money first and then choose the phone, if you have good sprint and verizon coverage where you always are, then the EVO is the BEST phone in the world, IMO

[Gekko]

3.7" vs. 4.3" display alone makes it not even close. throw in 4G and it's a no-brainer.

[ls3mach]

at the time i bought the Centro, it was the best smartphone available on Sprint. if they would have had a Centro XL and XXL at the time - i would have bought the XXL.

lmfao

The Centro has NEVER been the best smartphone on Sprint, not even when it came out.

[Gekko]

lmfao

The Centro has NEVER been the best smartphone on Sprint, not even when it came out.

for a serious business user - yes. for an $8/hour gamer fanboy - no.

[Jordus]

for a serious business user - yes. for an $8/hour gamer fanboy - no.