Will froyo fix the 30 FPS cap on evo?

**cbfinger** · 06-18-2010, 04:04 PM

I have a question this will froyo update fix the 30 fps cap on the evo? the nexus one doesnt have a cap neither does the aria why. this is so annoying

**drdrewdown** · 06-18-2010, 04:06 PM

i think i read somewhere that they were getting 90fps on 2.2 with an evo

**cbfinger** · 06-18-2010, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by drdrewdown

i think i read somewhere that they were getting 90fps on 2.2 with an evo

really that make me happier could you possibly post the article

**spiicytuna** · 06-18-2010, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by drdrewdown

i think i read somewhere that they were getting 90fps on 2.2 with an evo

Link please.... I see these threads popping up everyday on all of the evo boards and I have yet to see this response.

**ryan9102** · 06-18-2010, 04:30 PM

"Android framework engineer "Romain Guy" isn't quite sure where this problem is coming from. He wrote a response, saying that for the record the "target was, is and will be 60fps." Strangely the Nexus One, which has official Froyo support already, also seems to be having the issue. It at least starts out during the Froyo running load animation at 60 fps (which allows it to appear smooth), but its framerate subsequently drops to 30 fps upon reaching the home screen."

**drdrewdown** · 06-18-2010, 04:34 PM

honestly i'm not sure where i read/heard it. coulda been on IRC, sorry guys!

**spiicytuna** · 06-18-2010, 05:56 PM

"The same issue was reported earlier on Motorola DROID running 2.1 but installing Android 2.2 resolved the 30fps cap issue. Some users installed android 2.2 froyo on their EVO 4G, but later found that the [30fps] issue still persists. "

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Here's someone who tested Froyo + 2 other ROMS and it still had the cap:

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From all that I have read, and I am not one complaining about the 30fps issue; if it's fixed, great, if not, I am okay with that too, but, from what I have read the only way it will be fixed is if (a) , or (b) toast's (xda developer) kernel is fixed to boot on the and someone comes up with a way to . That being said people are diligently working to fix the issue as noted in .

**aridon#ac** · 06-18-2010, 06:12 PM

We need the source code to fix this. Once we get that we can adjust the kernel or drivers to fix this.

**Eric1987** · 06-18-2010, 06:17 PM

I could careless about the 30 FPS cap. I dont need more than 30 to play a game anyways. I can deal with 25.

**aridon#ac** · 06-18-2010, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Eric1987

I could careless about the 30 FPS cap. I dont need more than 30 to play a game anyways. I can deal with 25.

While I think the level of ******** on this is over blown you will notice a hugh difference and htc should not have done such a sloppy coding job.

**cdjh** · 06-18-2010, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by aridon

We need the source code to fix this. Once we get that we can adjust the kernel or drivers to fix this.

Forgive the conspiracy theory, but I wonder if HTC is delaying the release. The reason they would want to do that is because it is perhaps not fixable in the kernel. So they would want to sell as many EVOs as possible before the bad press gets worse. Plus they could get past the 30 day return window for the early adopters who would return it if they knew there was no hope of fixing it.

Ok enough negative waves. That's my glass is half empty Outlook for the day.

**Eric1987** · 06-18-2010, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by aridon

While I think the level of ******** on this is over blown you will notice a hugh difference and htc should not have done such a sloppy coding job.

Anything OVER 30 FPS is overkill. Sure it MIGHT look a bit smoother but games are meant to be played at 30 FPS. I just like seeing higher numbers.

**cbfinger** · 06-18-2010, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by cdjh

Forgive the conspiracy theory, but I wonder if HTC is delaying the release. The reason they would want to do that is because it is perhaps not fixable in the kernel. So they would want to sell as many EVOs as possible before the bad press gets worse. Plus they could get past the 30 day return window for the early adopters who would return it if they knew there was no hope of fixing it.

Ok enough negative waves. That's my glass is half empty Outlook for the day.

If that's the case I won't be very happy

**RayStinkle** · 06-18-2010, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by ryan9102

"Android framework engineer "Romain Guy" isn't quite sure where this problem is coming from. He wrote a response, saying that for the record the "target was, is and will be 60fps." Strangely the Nexus One, which has official Froyo support already, also seems to be having the issue. It at least starts out during the Froyo running load animation at 60 fps (which allows it to appear smooth), but its framerate subsequently drops to 30 fps upon reaching the home screen."

I'm running fro yo on my nexus one right now and consistently hit 60 fps, so I don't know where that came from.

**Kedar** · 06-18-2010, 08:03 PM

Well, you get rid of most of the framterate issues at 60fps.
Ask PC gamers... they know.

I would like for some developers to work games on the Snapdragon processor and Google/HTC to fix 30 fps cap.

**aridon#ac** · 06-18-2010, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Eric1987

Anything OVER 30 FPS is overkill. Sure it MIGHT look a bit smoother but games are meant to be played at 30 FPS. I just like seeing higher numbers.

No. flat out wrong. There will be a noticeable difference when this is fixed. The human eye can easily distinguish between 30 and 60 fps especially gaming. End of story.

That said people are really titty baby about this and there isn't a need for it. If you can't wait for a fix then return it and buy something else or buy the evo again after its fixed.

**spiicytuna** · 06-18-2010, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by aridon

While I think the level of ******** on this is over blown you will notice a hugh difference and htc should not have done such a sloppy coding job.

I don't disagree that I'll notice a difference.... I am tired of every evo forum I visit seeing new threads started daily about the same complaint. I am ok with what I have 60+ fps would be awesome but what I have works and does a decent job at it.

**Kedar** · 06-18-2010, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by spiicytuna

I don't disagree that I'll notice a difference.... I am tired of every evo forum I visit seeing new threads started daily about the same complaint. I am ok with what I have 60+ fps would be awesome but what I have works and does a decent job at it.

If no one complained or blew it out of proportion, then Google/HTC would have less desire to change it.

Raging Thunder 2 plays flawlessly on the Nexus One... but has framerate issues on the HTC Evo. =/

**leestyle** · 06-18-2010, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by spiicytuna

I am ok with what I have 60+ fps would be awesome but what I have works and does a decent job at it.

It shouldn't just "work and do a decent job", it's the lead device for Sprint, it should be held to a higher standard, and the fact that HTC does not even consider the 30fps cap an issue was the last straw. Therefore I returned mine today to RadioShack and received my 30 day refund from Sprint.

**maduhbee#ac** · 07-09-2010, 11:25 AM

it seems that nobody really knows the REAL advantage of 60 FPS! Besides gaming (60 FPS is real noticeable) the biggest real advantage is the 2D Responsiveness in your swipes and gestures. I was messing with an ipad, and that easily blows the EVO 4G out of the water in terms of touch responsiveness! The screen followed my fingers without any noticeable delays, even when I was moving it really fast! EVO 4G, there's a slight delay, and I can see that 60 FPS will definitely help it out quite a bit!

On the gaming side, 60 FPS i don't really care unless it's on my ps3 or PC. It's the 2D UI experience I want the 60 FPS for!

**6tr6tr** · 07-09-2010, 11:42 AM

UM, yes froyo might fix it BUT the froyo fixing the cap is before HTC touches it. The HTC-Sense-Froyo might not fix it.

**eagle63** · 07-09-2010, 11:50 AM

Not sure I understand the discussion here... Android itself has no framerate cap right? So what is Froyo going to "fix"? If the cap was something introduced by HTC specifically for the Evo (which by all accounts is what happened based on what HTC has said) then how will having Froyo eliminate this??

Or are you just thinking/hoping that HTC will forget to re-enable the cap in their build of Froyo for the Evo?

**Yourdogsdead** · 07-09-2010, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by minsc

Not sure I understand the discussion here... Android itself has no framerate cap right? So what is Froyo going to "fix"? If the cap was something introduced by HTC specifically for the Evo (which by all accounts is what happened based on what HTC has said) then how will having Froyo eliminate this??

Or are you just thinking/hoping that HTC will forget to re-enable the cap in their build of Froyo for the Evo?

I guess they are hoping that Froyo's increased performance boost will allow HTC to remove the cap.

**iamfuze** · 07-10-2010, 01:29 AM

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**d3xn2o** · 07-10-2010, 02:00 AM

Im guessing no one on here lurks over on the Hack/Rom Section this has been covered...

Novatec -

Epson -

Like i said we covered all this over in that section

You need to Root and Flash these Kernels of course at your own Risk...

Personally im Overclocked to 1.19 GHZ running 46 FPS And Undervolted

Battery life is amazing and the phone just runs sooooo Smooth

Hope This Clears anything up for you guys

I get that XDA is sort of Confusing just read thru it

Its honestly not too complicated