[Booshanky]

Hi everyone,

Before anyone mentions, yes, I've searched around and haven't found much good info on this.

I've got the 30 dollar a month wifi hotspot thing, but I'm really finding that I don't use it enough to justify the cost. Additionally, since the battery life is so bad on the EVO, it doesn't really make sense to use it as a hotspot.

I downloaded an app called easytether and that works great, plus it keeps the phone plugged into my laptop, charging it.

My question is, if I cancel the 30 dollar charge for the mobile hotspot feature, can I still use easytether?

[Braaainz]

According to the contract you signed with Sprint for service, no.

Your Terms of Service (TOS) state that without adding an additional plan, like the wifi hotspot, you will not connect your mobile phone to other devices to share data.

So, if you tether your phone, you are breaking your contract.

Can you still do it? Yes. However, breaking a contract and then continuing to use those contracted services is (IMHO) rather unethical.

Before the Evo, I paid for Sprint's unlimited phone as modem feature. I know a lot of people told me to cancel that and then just do it on the sly. When some of those people got their service suspended, cancelled, data capped/throttled back, or were told that they'd be charged for future data... they were mightily pissed, but they only had themselves to blame. So, if you do it, you do it at your own risk.

[AldousSnow]

I got to ask... why do you have to download anything. I simply plug in my evo and select share internet and i tether for free.

[marko358]

I got to ask... why do you have to download anything. I simply plug in my evo and select share internet and i tether for free.

Does that actually work? And is it free?

[Darth Mo]

I got to ask... why do you have to download anything. I simply plug in my evo and select share internet and i tether for free.

That only works over 4G and it's thought that will stop soon with an update.

[Booshanky]

According to the contract you signed with Sprint for service, no.

Your Terms of Service (TOS) state that without adding an additional plan, like the wifi hotspot, you will not connect your mobile phone to other devices to share data.

So, if you tether your phone, you are breaking your contract.

Can you still do it? Yes. However, breaking a contract and then continuing to use those contracted services is (IMHO) rather unethical.

Before the Evo, I paid for Sprint's unlimited phone as modem feature. I know a lot of people told me to cancel that and then just do it on the sly. When some of those people got their service suspended, cancelled, data capped/throttled back, or were told that they'd be charged for future data... they were mightily pissed, but they only had themselves to blame. So, if you do it, you do it at your own risk.

I just use it so infrequently that I don't think it's worth the price. If it was 5 bucks, I'd stick with it. But 95% of the time I use it when there's just no wifi around, which is rare.

That being said, would it even be possible for sprint to find out that I'm using the phone this way? I would assume they would have to check for red flags like high bandwidth usage, but I'm not downloading movies or anything, actually I'm usually just writing e-mails since it's easier with a real keyboard.

[bubbatex]

I just use it so infrequently that I don't think it's worth the price. If it was 5 bucks, I'd stick with it. But 95% of the time I use it when there's just no wifi around, which is rare.

That being said, would it even be possible for sprint to find out that I'm using the phone this way? I would assume they would have to check for red flags like high bandwidth usage, but I'm not downloading movies or anything, actually I'm usually just writing e-mails since it's easier with a real keyboard.

You would have to tether for a long time before Sprint will notice. You are fine for limited use. Really, if you are not going over 5gbs/mo, no red flags are going to go up. I see no big deal in using these free tethering apps occasionally (non-hotspot).

[anthonylokrn]

If you are somewhat tech savvy, then read up on rooting the phone. Rooted phone will allow you to use WiFi tethering apps without having to pay the $30 hotspot free, and it works for both 3G/4G.

Froyo/2.2 is suppose to have hotspot built into the rom thus bypassing the sprint app, but speculations are that sprint will probably disable that function in froyo.

[Braaainz]

I just use it so infrequently that I don't think it's worth the price. If it was 5 bucks, I'd stick with it. But 95% of the time I use it when there's just no wifi around, which is rare.

That being said, would it even be possible for sprint to find out that I'm using the phone this way? I would assume they would have to check for red flags like high bandwidth usage, but I'm not downloading movies or anything, actually I'm usually just writing e-mails since it's easier with a real keyboard.

I can't say whether Sprint would know or not. I can say that in previous years, people were caught and had their data rate throttled back, data caps placed, received warning letters, were charged for data over their capped amounts, etc. Now, it seemed to me, that there were a lot of people tethering, but it was really only the ones who were downloading bit torrents, streaming music and videos constantly, etc... that ended up getting caught (i.e. >5gb a month)

i.e. it appeared from what I saw online that if you kept your tethering to checking emails or reading newsfeeds... you wouldn't have a problem.

I think it's more an issue of whether you want to be the type of person who breaks their word over $30... but that's just me.

[PWBarrett]

My understanding was that the $10/mo removed the 5gb cap, period.

[npark]

I can't say whether Sprint would know or not. I can say that in previous years, people were caught and had their data rate throttled back, data caps placed, received warning letters, were charged for data over their capped amounts, etc. Now, it seemed to me, that there were a lot of people tethering, but it was really only the ones who were downloading bit torrents, streaming music and videos constantly, etc... that ended up getting caught (i.e. >5gb a month)

i.e. it appeared from what I saw online that if you kept your tethering to checking emails or reading newsfeeds... you wouldn't have a problem.

I think it's more an issue of whether you want to be the type of person who breaks their word over $30... but that's just me.

It's an included feature of the phone. Plugging it in via USB and tethering is what is included. I don't see the ethical dilemma.

[eagle63]

This is one of those few cases in which I don't have any moral dilemma with breaking the terms of service. I pay for unlimited data, it shouldn't matter how I use the data. There's no reasonable explanation Sprint (or any other carrier) can give that justifies the additional $30 tethering charge, other than "because we can."

[Darth Mo]

This is one of those few cases in which I don't have any moral dilemma with breaking the terms of service. I pay for unlimited data, it shouldn't matter how I use the data. There's no reasonable explanation Sprint (or any other carrier) can give that justifies the additional $30 tethering charge, other than "because we can."

That's not true, it's a service, not a tangible item. They can control it however they want.

[theiphonewannabe]

Dropped Comcast and am saving 34.99 a month even with paying the 30 dollar fee. It is working great.

[Booshanky]

I can't say whether Sprint would know or not. I can say that in previous years, people were caught and had their data rate throttled back, data caps placed, received warning letters, were charged for data over their capped amounts, etc. Now, it seemed to me, that there were a lot of people tethering, but it was really only the ones who were downloading bit torrents, streaming music and videos constantly, etc... that ended up getting caught (i.e. >5gb a month)

i.e. it appeared from what I saw online that if you kept your tethering to checking emails or reading newsfeeds... you wouldn't have a problem.

I think it's more an issue of whether you want to be the type of person who breaks their word over $30... but that's just me.

Oh please, I'm not going to feel bad for a multi-billion dollar corporation. I think they can hang.

[Booshanky]

It's an included feature of the phone. Plugging it in via USB and tethering is what is included. I don't see the ethical dilemma.

The ethical dilemma is that you should feel bad for violating a completely arbitrary rule imposed by a humongous corporation. A rule violation that will in no way harm that company.

[figgie]

The ethical dilemma is that you should feel bad for violating a completely arbitrary rule imposed by a humongous corporation. A rule violation that will in no way harm that company.

So it is ok to pick and choose who's rules you choose to follow? Why not forgo paying taxes? After all the US goverment is the biggest corporation out there? A rule voilation will in no way harm the US goverment with all the money they make right?

Absolutely insipid idea.

[Booshanky]

So it is ok to pick and choose who's rules you choose to follow? Why not forgo paying taxes? After all the US goverment is the biggest corporation out there? A rule voilation will in no way harm the US goverment with all the money they make right?

Absolutely insipid idea.

The insipid idea is that you're extrapolating not paying any taxes with using 1 or 2 gigs a month to check e-mail, which I pay for, which I can do without breaking any rules, on my phone.

All you missed was some hitler reference and the slide down your slippery slope would be complete.

[solo1]

Maybe it isnt the fact that they merely can , so they do ... Maybe they just put that "premium" charge to keep the traffic down ... 1/3 of the customers may use the "paid" tethering ... 1/3 may opted out ... 1/3 may use the "free" tethering ... If Sprint just said you can have a free for all it would build up HEAVY traffic because people will use it just cuz ... I feel its a filter of sorts because they cant really monitor it or totally stop it from happening if you tether by means other than the "premium" ... They're are alot of "do-gooders" out there that would not think of crossing that line ... and those are the ones that are being weeded out ... Just my opinion.

[figgie]

The insipid idea is that you're extrapolating not paying any taxes with using 1 or 2 gigs a month to check e-mail, which I pay for, which I can do without breaking any rules, on my phone.

All you missed was some hitler reference and the slide down your slippery slope would be complete.

Don't be silly.

A company whether the US goverment, Sprint or that Mom and Pop pizzeria around your corner, is just that. A company/business. The service they provide, according to your Einstien level thinking, is irrelvant. Just the size of said company.

See how utterly dumb it is to generalize.

[meyerweb]

I downloaded an app called easytether and that works great, plus it keeps the phone plugged into my laptop, charging it.

Umm, you can still plug your phone into the USB port while using the mobile hotspot, to keep it charged.

My understanding was that the $10/mo removed the 5gb cap, period.

ARRGH!!!! Does anyone actually read the TOS? If you have an Everything, or Everything Data plan, there IS NO CAP for data use on the phone. Absolutely, positively, not. The CAP only applies to broadband modems and tethering plans. And the cap for tethering plans still applies to the EVO, even with the $10 fee.

So it is ok to pick and choose who's rules you choose to follow?

In truth, we all do that every day. Do you never exceed the speed limit? Do you always pay your state's "use tax" when you purchase something on the internet and don't pay sales taxes? Have you ever "borrowed" software that someone else purchased, or installed something you bought on more than one computer? If you can honesty answer "no" to all of these questions, you should have someone nominate you for sainthood.

Ignoring the moral issue, if the OP uses tethering modestly, and not to download movies or bootleg copies of Office 2010, the odds of Sprint noticing are slim to none. PDAnet has sold many thousands of copies of their program, and reports of people getting caught using it are extremely rare.

The moral question is for the OP to decide, not me.

[figgie]

In truth, we all do that every day. Do you never exceed the speed limit? Do you always pay your state's "use tax" when you purchase something on the internet and don't pay sales taxes?

Ohh of course I do. But make no mistake about it. I am WELL aware of the consequence of being caught going ONE over much less 20. Same with not reporting sales to the state I live in or running around in a race car on a street.

One will cost me money, the other will cost me money, the third will cost me my car, money and more money and perhaps jail time. I am under no dilusion of the choices I make and there consequences.

[Booshanky]

Don't be silly.

A company whether the US goverment, Sprint or that Mom and Pop pizzeria around your corner, is just that. A company/business. The service they provide, according to your Einstien level thinking, is irrelvant. Just the size of said company.

See how utterly dumb it is to generalize.

Oh I understand the argument. You seem to be arguing that rule breaking is rule breaking. That's it. My point is that one should look at the effect of the rule breaking, and whether I check my e-mail on my phone or on my computer is irrelevant to how much data I transfer from sprint.

So who is being harmed?

[Booshanky]

In truth, we all do that every day. Do you never exceed the speed limit? Do you always pay your state's "use tax" when you purchase something on the internet and don't pay sales taxes? Have you ever "borrowed" software that someone else purchased, or installed something you bought on more than one computer? If you can honesty answer "no" to all of these questions, you should have someone nominate you for sainthood.

Ignoring the moral issue, if the OP uses tethering modestly, and not to download movies or bootleg copies of Office 2010, the odds of Sprint noticing are slim to none. PDAnet has sold many thousands of copies of their program, and reports of people getting caught using it are extremely rare.

The moral question is for the OP to decide, not me.

Very well put. I'm perfectly ok breaking a rule that seems to be arbitrary, especially since I'm not doing anything like downloading torrents or anything like that. That's what my 35mbit/2mbit home connection is for.

[figgie]

Oh I understand the argument. You seem to be arguing that rule breaking is rule breaking. That's it. My point is that one should look at the effect of the rule breaking, and whether I check my e-mail on my phone or on my computer is irrelevant to how much data I transfer from sprint.

So who is being harmed?

I am. The "what for" portion is irrelevant. Though I have done it. I am also aware of the outcome should something happen. At the same time I am prepared for said consequence of my choice which means getting kicked off sprint for contract voilation and possible civil litigation for the full amount of the contract (2 years).

Yes, I have taken the time to read the Contract, the EULA, the fine print, notices and all other Sprint verbatim on service agreement with me.