Do you think HTC will actually fix the 30 fps issue?

**greasyg** · 07-18-2010, 08:07 PM

Just curious, do you really think HTC is planning to eventually fix the 30fps issue or do you think they are just going to stick with their initial statement that it's not a problem.

**pwnst_r** · 07-18-2010, 08:16 PM

No. And they're right, it's not a problem or an issue.

**gksmithlcw** · 07-18-2010, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by pwnst_r

No. And they're right, it's not a problem or an issue.

I disagree. However, they designed it that way so it is up to them whether they change it. I hope they do but I'm not holding my breath.

**Caitlyn McKenzie** · 07-18-2010, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by gksmithlcw

I disagree. However, they designed it that way so it is up to them whether they change it. I hope they do but I'm not holding my breath.

Name anything other than the UI that consistently runs above 30fps without a cap on a snapdragon phone. Then you can disagree.

**gksmithlcw** · 07-18-2010, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Vincent Law

Name anything other than the UI that consistently runs above 30fps without a cap on a snapdragon phone. Then you can disagree.

I can, and do, disagree because I dislike my hardware being capped. If I bought a PC and found out my video card was locked @ 30 FPS even though I don't see any signs of it, I would still consider it a problem.

However, as I said, it was designed this way and HTC never made any promises about frame rates so it is up to them whether or not they want to change it.

I do think there has been enough concern shown that they're considering it but we will see.

**unbreakableblue** · 07-18-2010, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Vincent Law

Name anything other than the UI that consistently runs above 30fps without a cap on a snapdragon phone. Then you can disagree.

Why can't he disagree? What a ridiculous thing to say.

OT: I doubt HTC will fix the issue. Doesn't really bother me, though.

**Caitlyn McKenzie** · 07-18-2010, 08:35 PM

Because it's not a problem or an issue. In order for it to be an issue you'd have to hit 30fps.

Every other device is limited to 60fps. Should we start complaining about that as well? After all, it's a limit!

**duckwars** · 07-18-2010, 08:39 PM

I wish you guys could see my evo running fresh 1.0 with the fps unlock.

Put my phone side-by-side with a stock phone, and THEN tell me the cap is no big deal.

I love that, "it only effects the UI!". Right, it only effects the the part of the phone you have to interact with every time you use the thing.

**gksmithlcw** · 07-18-2010, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Vincent Law

Because it's not a problem or an issue. In order for it to be an issue you'd have to hit 30fps.

Every other device is limited to 60fps. Should we start complaining about that as well? After all, it's a limit!

And who is saying we can't hit 30 FPS? With the cap removed, people seem to be quite happy with the video performance on the Evo.

**pwnst_r** · 07-18-2010, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by duckwars

I wish you guys could see my evo running fresh 1.0 with the fps unlock.

Put my phone side-by-side with a stock phone, and THEN tell me the cap is no big deal.

I love that, "it only effects the UI!". Right, it only effects the the part of the phone you have to interact with every time you use the thing.

Well we could see it if you put up a vid. Even with the claimed UI smoothness.

Thanks in advance.

**Caitlyn McKenzie** · 07-18-2010, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by duckwars

I wish you guys could see my evo running fresh 1.0 with the fps unlock.

Put my phone side-by-side with a stock phone, and THEN tell me the cap is no big deal.

I love that, "it only effects the UI!". Right, it only effects the the part of the phone you have to interact with every time you use the thing.

Because 99.9% of the time the UI is static. And also, much of the UI even runs slower than 30fps.

Originally Posted by gksmithlcw

And who is saying we can't hit 30 FPS? With the cap removed, people seem to be quite happy with the video performance on the Evo.

Uh, who says? Common sense says. Show me something that does. Those that "removed" the cap are under the placebo effect.

**gksmithlcw** · 07-18-2010, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Vincent Law

Uh, who says? Common sense says. Show me something that does. Those that "removed" the cap are under the placebo effect.

'Uh', if they ever fix the issue, I'll be glad to run the benchmarks and some games and let you know. Until then, we're kinda screwed on that front.

Go flame someone else.

**pwnst_r** · 07-18-2010, 08:52 PM

I'm thinking the uncapped guys should run those benchmarks.

**Caitlyn McKenzie** · 07-18-2010, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by gksmithlcw

'Uh', if they ever fix the issue, I'll be glad to run the benchmarks and some games and let you know. Until then, we're kinda screwed on that front.

Go flame someone else.

The benchmarks achieved LESS than 30fps, even on a Nexus One. How do you, perchance, expect the cap to matter?

It's not a flame, it's a simple question.

**gksmithlcw** · 07-18-2010, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Vincent Law

The benchmarks achieved LESS than 30fps, even on a Nexus One. How do you, perchance, expect the cap to matter?

It's not a flame, it's a simple question.

The cap matters if the system can perform better without it. It's already been shown to run more smoothly without the cap. Simple question? Simple answer.

The flame is you coming at me telling me I'm not entitled to my opinion and then proceeding to continue an irrelevant argument.

**Caitlyn McKenzie** · 07-18-2010, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by gksmithlcw

The cap matters if the system can perform better without it. It's already been shown to run more smoothly without the cap. Simple question? Simple answer.

The flame is you coming at me telling me I'm not entitled to my opinion and then proceeding to continue an irrelevant argument.

But it doesn't run smoother. It's running the same as the same-spec'ed Nexus One (minus small differences due to Sense/Froyo). People THINK it's smoother but it's not. Placebo effect.

I told you you can't disagree simply because it's proven fact, not an opinion matter.

**gksmithlcw** · 07-18-2010, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Vincent Law

I told you you can't disagree simply because it's proven fact, not an opinion matter.

I can disagree with whatever I want for whatever reason I choose. It doesn't have to be logical or correct. As I'm sure you're aware, there are plenty of incorrect opinions out there...

As far as MY opinion goes, until I see a an uncapped Evo running side by side with a capped Evo, I can't say for sure whether or not a difference exists. I can, however, make the logical assumption that limiting my hardware can possibly have adverse effects on my system's performance. If you don't believe me, underclock your processor and see if you notice a difference.

I'm done.

**SplitInfiniti** · 07-18-2010, 09:17 PM

I've got the FPS fix applied to my EVO and did a comparison next to my wife's EVO which was completely stock. As much as Vincent Law believes it's placebo, there is definitely a noticeable difference in how smooth it is in all of the menu animations... Even if you put a stock EVO next to a stock Hero, the Hero is much smoother in the menu animations as well... that's pretty embarrassing if you ask me...

It only hurts the EVO's reputation whenever the benchmark tests are done and the EVO is dead last everytime...

**duckwars** · 07-18-2010, 09:20 PM

It is absolutely NOT a placebo. At the VERY least, it makes the scrolling on the home screen and app drawer MUCH smoother.

What benchmarks are you talking about? I've run fps2d after unlock and I average around 52 fps.

**Caitlyn McKenzie** · 07-18-2010, 09:28 PM

Since when is fps2d a benchmark? All it does is loop. That's not a benchmark. *facepalm*

I swear, you're all hopeless. Of all the things to complain about, you complain about the one thing that's most irrelevant.

**SplitInfiniti** · 07-18-2010, 09:47 PM

watch this video here and see how the EVO performs in the benchmark and the actual gaming demo...

http://www.androidcentral.com/att-sa...icsgaming-test

this issue is far from irrelevant...

**duckwars** · 07-18-2010, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Vincent Law

Since when is fps2d a benchmark? All it does is loop. That's not a benchmark. *facepalm*

I swear, you're all hopeless. Of all the things to complain about, you complain about the one thing that's most irrelevant.

This is why I asked, "what benchmarks are you talking about"?

Do you REALLY think you can't see the difference between a stock evo and one with the fps uncapped? Do you think there is no smoothness added?

**Jerry Hildenbrand** · 07-18-2010, 10:04 PM

"Stock" rom with fps unlocked (lol)
Stock Evo
Side by side, no difference.

Everyone saying it's better --
Uninstall the custom ROM and build a stock kernel with the dirty hack built in, then test again. I did. It's placebo, and the ONLY benchmark designed to use the Adreno GPU can't hit 30 fps with the Evo. Only Qualcomm phones that can are driving a much smaller display.

**duckwars** · 07-18-2010, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by gbhil

"Stock" rom with fps unlocked (lol)
Stock Evo
Side by side, no difference.

Everyone saying it's better --
Uninstall the custom ROM and build a stock kernel with the dirty hack built in, then test again. I did. It's placebo, and the ONLY benchmark designed to use the Adreno GPU can't hit 30 fps with the Evo. Only Qualcomm phones that can are driving a much smaller display.

What about Custom ROMs with unlock vs. that same custom ROM without the unlock?

You would agree there is a difference then? Fresh 1.0 unlock vs Fresh 1.0 no unlock, there is a difference! I'm not delusional.

**eagle63** · 07-18-2010, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by gbhil

"Stock" rom with fps unlocked (lol)
Stock Evo
Side by side, no difference.

Everyone saying it's better --
Uninstall the custom ROM and build a stock kernel with the dirty hack built in, then test again. I did. It's placebo, and the ONLY benchmark designed to use the Adreno GPU can't hit 30 fps with the Evo. Only Qualcomm phones that can are driving a much smaller display.

yeah, after watching Phil's recent Neocore tests with the N1, Evo, Galaxy, etc, I tend to agree. The proof was watching the N1 (which has no FPS cap) running Froyo hit only 28 FPS. What makes people think the Evo can do any better? It has the same cpu/gpu. One clarification though gbhil - the display size has nothing to do with it.