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    Default EVO Shift 4G first review!

    Just picked up my Shift 4g this morning and wanted to give you all a first quick review. Obviously since Ive only had it for about 2 hours I cant comment on battery life and I havent tested every single feature yet. But if there is something you wanna know about that I forgot to mention ask me and ill test it for you!

    I havent rebooted the phone yet but when we turned it on in the store it seemed to boot pretty quickly...one thing to get used to is the power button is on the top so to make the screen go black you have to reach all the way to the top...a slight adjustment from the heros front red power button, but worth mentioning....it loads up with sense and it all looks pretty familiar (to anyone who has used sense at least).....I dont see really many new widgets or anything except FM radio (at least coming from the HERO this is new...)....the phone moves fast(!) everything is very responsive and just feels natural....more on this later as i bog it down with apps and such lol but looks like the processor is a hit....the phone feels solid and is clearly built well and easily makes the epic feel like a toy....the keyboard slides out smoothly with a very slight click when fully opened...i would have preferred a slightly more locked in feel but regardless it feels pretty sturdy and I trust HTC enough that I dont think its gonna break off from normal use in the next year or two....the keyboard itself feels very comfortable and seems to be easy to type with...not having a dedicated row for numbers is not that big of a deal as the FN key can be hit twice as a sorta "caps lock" function and then you have a dedicated number row as well as all the symbols....the "D-pad" is nice and easy to click around (took me a second to realize it wasnt like an optical pad lol you actually have to click the edges like a joypad) but theres no center click like that of a trackball....there is an enter key which can be used to click on things highlighted by the d-pad, for example, in the market to select an app to download, however, when using the default browser or dolphin HD browser, I cant seem to click on links i highlight with the d-pad...the enter key does nothing and theres no other option so i still have to touch the screen....this seemed strange to me so i checked the manual and I couldnt even find a mention of the d-pad at all!...i skimmed through so ill take a more close look later....i sure hope i can find a way to click links otherwise the d-pad is relatively useless if i have to zoom in and use the touchscreen to click links (although still not the end of the world really especially if youre coming from an all touch display)....again for other things though the enter key has been working to select whatever has been highlighted...also the onscreen keyboards, although ive only used em once or twice at this point, feel snappy and have no lag unlike the heros infamous laggy keyboard. cant comment on 4G speeds as I couldnt connect for some reason here in my office (near colubus circle in manhattan)...maybe cause im inside? or maybe cause its the first time trying to connect its having trouble finding the signal....idk but i will get more on this later as i try it again....gps connected almost instantly and maps moves quick and gets your location right away....browsing is nice, even on 3g it felt a little faster than the hero (placebo effect?) and with full flash embedded in the page its much more like a real web browser...call quality sounded good, ring lag at a minimum (only tested one call each way so far but incoming calls took about a ring and a half before the shift displayed the call and outgoing calls started ringing on the phone i was calling before the shifts dialer ringed once!)...the buttons on the bottom took almost no time getting used to going from hard keys to capacitive buttons for home, menu, back and search and the touch vibrate helps ensure you did press the button....overall im very impressed so far and really look forward to seeing what this thing can handle as i play with it more and more


    edit: forgot to mention the camera!....pic quality seems to be pretty good...havent put any pics up on a computer to really see how they look but on the phone they look sharp...the flash is nice and even inside with the lights on didnt white out the whole picture....looks like its gonna be real good for night photos...havent tried the camcorder but its 720p so it will be pretty nice no matter what
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    also just tried angry birds....absolutely no lag it was perfect...however as i was playing my finger would occasionally cover the light/proximity sensor and make the screen lose brightness until i moved my finger again...something to think about when holding the phone in landscape for any reason...i think htc should have put the sensor on the other side of the earpiece so our fingers dont cover it
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    Don't like the volume buttons on the bottom of the keyboard either but hey....bought it for my wife....she wanted the smaller version of my phone....overall...fast...don't miss the front facing camera since it worked so crappy on my rooted Evo.
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    hey, thanks for the review. can i ask, is there any lag with the camera? like can u take multiple pictures quickly without it taking a lot of time to process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetmonster457 View Post
    hey, thanks for the review. can i ask, is there any lag with the camera? like can u take multiple pictures quickly without it taking a lot of time to process?

    unfortunately i dont see any setting for taking multiple pics in a row or anything like that....there is an option to turn off the "review time" they call it where you get a chance to see and delete the pic or whatever before it even saves, but even with no review it takes a second or so...still not really very long but if youre trying to do action shots or something it doesnt look like it can do that
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    Quote Originally Posted by pabongka View Post
    Don't like the volume buttons on the bottom of the keyboard either but hey....bought it for my wife....she wanted the smaller version of my phone....overall...fast...don't miss the front facing camera since it worked so crappy on my rooted Evo.
    yea i hit the button once when holding the keyboard but it really doesnt seem to be a problem i dont feel like its in the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by StAlphonso View Post
    also just tried angry birds....absolutely no lag it was perfect...however as i was playing my finger would occasionally cover the light/proximity sensor and make the screen lose brightness until i moved my finger again...something to think about when holding the phone in landscape for any reason...i think htc should have put the sensor on the other side of the earpiece so our fingers dont cover it
    Turn off auto brightness. If it's like the g2 it won't work right anyway.

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    Does it have a dedicated button for taking pictures? I know when I had the Evo it was a bit tricky with the onscreen button? Thanks for the review also it has really helped me to decide to go after work to get one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgdesigns View Post
    Does it have a dedicated button for taking pictures? I know when I had the Evo it was a bit tricky with the onscreen button? Thanks for the review also it has really helped me to decide to go after work to get one.
    Happy to help! while the keyboard is open you can press the enter key and it will take the picture but other than that its the onscreen button which i think works fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamlilysdad View Post
    Turn off auto brightness. If it's like the g2 it won't work right anyway.

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    yea i forgot to say that im sure there is an option...actually turning down my brightness is something i always did on my hero too to conserve battery life and forgot to do it right away with this phone...now if i cover the sensor the screen stays the same and all that happens is the buttons become backlit
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    you can use the "Enter" key right above the D-pad to select links and what not.

    i bought mine a few hours ago, still getting everything configured but so far so good, feels a LOT smoother than my Evo. i'm liking the form factor and the keyboard, also the touch buttons are a different color, almost a blue hue to them which is nice.

    can't report on battery life yet, going to be a few days before i start to get accurate readings, going to be using the snot out of it getting everything the way i want it.

    feels weird going back to sense, can't wait for the CM guys to get CM6/7 running on this thing
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    I picked my Shift up earlier today and so far, I love it. I like it a lot better than my Evo. I agree with the other poster, that it feels a lot more smoother than the Evo. I also like the keyboard. It's very smooth and easy to navigate. I'm not a big fan of the FCC so not having that is not an issue to me.

    I'm going to pop my 16GB SD Card into this baby, load some apps and get everything all set up. So far this is a keeper, I'm seriously thinking about selling my Evo now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edgemaster191 View Post
    you can use the "Enter" key right above the D-pad to select links and what not.
    hmm doesnt seem to work for me on either stock browser or dolphin...tried to click into this forum on the phone and enter did nothing...same thing with google....cant click the link to enter the website cant click images....

    oddly enough within a search box on google when it gave me suggestions and i scrolled down to one i was able to click it and it searched but after the search i couldnt "enter" into any links....

    can you confirm that on your device? go to google search something and try to "enter" into the website from the browser
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    Sounds like a pretty decent phone. Much similarity to her brother(evo). I'm happy that HTC came out with a physical keyboard for those who love the EVO, but wasn't happy with the virtual keyboard. Personally, I can use both - it doesn't bother me at all.
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    just hit 1574 in my first quadrant test....

    and this processor can be OC'd to like 1.7-1.8ghz supposedly?....wow...i dont even think its necessary its already blazing!



    my hero rooted to 2.2 gets like 385 lol...EVO on the graph (avg scores i suppose?) shows under 1250....


    edit: Make that 1612 when i ran it again!

    edit 2: ran linpack test...got 34.671 mflops


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    Quote Originally Posted by StAlphonso View Post
    hmm doesnt seem to work for me on either stock browser or dolphin...tried to click into this forum on the phone and enter did nothing...same thing with google....cant click the link to enter the website cant click images....

    oddly enough within a search box on google when it gave me suggestions and i scrolled down to one i was able to click it and it searched but after the search i couldnt "enter" into any links....

    can you confirm that on your device? go to google search something and try to "enter" into the website from the browser
    i see what you're saying. guess i didn't try it in a browser :-/ that is kinda odd.


    everything else seems good so far. i think my 16gb SD card from my Evo died can't seem to move stuff off from it. tried from my phone as well as a stand alone card reader.
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    hopefully it can be fixed...im gonna start emailing htc when i get home tonight see if theres any way they could make an update for that...seems like it should be simple enough just make the enter key do the same thing as touching a link....
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    Quote Originally Posted by StAlphonso View Post
    also just tried angry birds....absolutely no lag it was perfect...however as i was playing my finger would occasionally cover the light/proximity sensor and make the screen lose brightness until i moved my finger again...something to think about when holding the phone in landscape for any reason...i think htc should have put the sensor on the other side of the earpiece so our fingers dont cover it
    If you go into display settings you can turn the light sensor off, that way it won't affect your usage when holding the phone.
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    What are the memory specs. Does it have the same issues as the G2 and can you get Swype beta on it ? Thanks so much, may pick one up tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricP2631 View Post
    What are the memory specs. Does it have the same issues as the G2 and can you get Swype beta on it ? Thanks so much, may pick one up tomorrow.
    internal phone storage shows 343MB free after i downloaded a few apps from the market...maybe 5 or 6 total....SD can handle up to 32GB card i believe

    not sure what issues you refer to with the G2 specifically and i havent tried to put swype on it yet...ill let you know when i get a chance to try it
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    With the G2 it said it had a 2gb of internal storage but part was saved for the OS and so forth, I was just curious because i was thinking about the EVO as well with the same amount of memory.
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    Yeah 384 is low for storage, are you sure you weren't looking at RAM? I would think that since it's a cousin of the G2 that it would have almost 1gb available for apps. I think I had like 1.1 or 1.2gb for apps when I had my G2.
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    Default EVO vs SHIFT What EVO users really need to know.

    Got a Shift this morning at 9am. I have compared it with my EVO and this is what I have found.

    1. EVO is about 40-50% brighter than the Shift.
    2. No real noticable speed difference between the two unless you run diagnostic tests. I tested with Google Maps, Browser, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube videos. Everything ran almost identical.
    3. Text is a little sharper on the Shift just because the screen is smaller.
    4. Keyboard is pretty good, I like it better than the one on the TP2.
    5. Handset/Headset volume is no better on the Shift (one of the major complaints about the EVO). When listening to music through headphones it still isn't that loud.
    6. Not as thick as I was expecting without a case. With a case it gets pretty fat, but still not as big as the TP2.
    7. Screen is equally responsive as the EVO, but just not very bright. This will be a deal-breaker for me, but my wife might not mind.
    8. Volume buttons on the left side are a bad idea with a keyboard. I find myself hitting them all the time. It would be better if the EVO's were on the left and the Shift on the right.
    9. Battery life is sooooo much better on the Shift. I mean like about 60-70% better. This will make Shift owners very happy. Unfortunately because the screen is not very bright I think users will need to leave it at full capacity which will definitely affect the battery life negatively. The other negative is that the Shift uses a different battery than the EVO, so batteries and chargers from the EVO and TP2 will not work with the Shift.
    10. Bad location for the microUSB port. Even though it is much better than the Samsung Galaxy S phones that have it on top, this location will prevent most users from mounting the Shift in their car with auto holders. I have tried several generic holders that I have and none of them will allow to charge the phone while using in the car. Shift users will have to wait for a custom solution from HTC which might be very difficult to create due to the location. This is another deal-breaker for me because I am traveling all the time and wouldn't be able to function without the wonderful car kit the HTC made for the EVO.
    11. Dpad on the Shift keyboard is average. It could have been designed much better, but doesn't work as well as I had hoped.
    12. The final difference I noticed was that the EVO gets better reception than the Shift. I have been with Sprint for 13 years and the EVO has the best reception hands down. The Shift is always one to two bars less in the same location as the EVO. They probably put the antenna in a different location.
    13. Call quality and speaker are very similar. I really couldn't tell the difference between the two. Both are above average.
    14. Camera and Camcorder are very similar. The only difference I noticed is that the EVO has harsher color tones. The same pictures are more muted on the Shift. In regards to detail most people won't notice a difference other than the different size of the picture due to 5MP vs. 8MP. The camcorders were pretty much the same except for more subtle colors on the Shift. When taking pictures with the flash on the Shift seemed to do a better job with only having one LED flash as opposed to two of them on the EVO. I find that sometimes the two flashes on the EVO can be too bright and affect photos.

    Those are my main observations. I will try and put up a comparison video on You Tube showing the differences I have talked about above. My biggest problem with the Shift is the lack of brightness on the screen. It will be hard to compete with other screens without that brightness. The high brightness on the EVO allows it to somewhat compete with the samsung devices, not for color saturation, but for outdoor viewing. It also appears that the Shift LCD is sunken quite a bit lower into the face of the phone than the EVO. That might also have something to do with the lack of brightness. The other possibility is that Sprint sourced two different screens for this device like they did on the EVO and there might be a brighter option, but I certainly didn't get it with mine.
    I would only recommend the Shift to Sprint customers that really want a physical keyboard and don't care about the screen brightness. There are also many users that think the EVO is too big and the Shift is a great size. Very pocketable. The device feels very solid, as most HTC devices do. It is a quality device and feels that way, unlike some Samsung devices on the market that feel very cheap and plasticky. This phone might be a perfect fit for my wife since she prefers a keyboard, albeit a candy bar style, but I don't see Sprint getting anymore candy bar smartphones other than Blackberries moving forward.
    I hope my comparison will help some of you make a decision to keep or sell your EVO. I know after comparing both, I will definitely be keeping my EVO. Good Luck Android users.
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    I forgot about the ROM/Internal Storage comparison between the EVO and Shift. Many are saying the Shift has 2GB of internal storage aside from the microSD card. Regardless of the specs the Shift and EVO have roughly the same internal storage for apps. Both have about 370MB available which isn't much at all. This is one thing I don't understand aobut Sprint. Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile all sell phones with a ton of internal storage. Sprint has never done this. For example Verizon has the Droid Incredible with 8GB of internal storage. This is another pet peeve of mine. They are trying to cut costs I guess, but it is not a good business decision. Unless Google starts allowing all programs to be loaded onto a storage card, other carriers will whip Sprint devices on internal storage.
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    my biggest complaint so far is the battery.

    why couldn't they have made them the same? i mean really...physical size they are almost identical, just put the contacts on the wrong side...*facepalm*


    oh well. battery life does seem decent, haven't run it long enough to give a fair comparison but just general observation it seems ok.

    i don't think the speaker is to bad, for what i need it for it's ok (youtube video's mostly) i will compare it to the Evo when my SD card finishes scanning...i think my 16gb card is on it's last leg i can order a new card but not sure i can get my pictures off this one ... fail for not backup up more often
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