04-16-2012 03:03 PM
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  1. Anonymous7532479's Avatar
    Hey there. This question is directed more towards smartphones in general. However, I'm posting it here because the One X is the first phone that I've personally encountered that I would want to buy, but would actually consider not doing so because of it.

    Non-removable batteries. Can anyone shed some light as to why some companies are actually doing this now? Is there an important reason why the manufacturers don't want the owner to be able to swap batteries in and out? I'm not being snarky or douchey in asking - I genuinely would love to know why.

    I honestly can't see myself purchasing a phone with a non-removable battery. Especially an LTE phone. The only way I would consider it is if it had a huge one (3000+). I have family and friends too who simply refuse to buy phones unless you can change the battery.

    Battery life is SO important to users. I feel like it's even more important to "normal" smartphone owners. I can't figure our why this is starting to show up on a lot of phones?

    Love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!


    -mcskipp
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    04-09-2012 06:20 PM
  2. xonex's Avatar
    If you're prepared to carry another battery around, what's the difference if you carry a charger around?
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    04-09-2012 06:52 PM
  3. crazy_skier's Avatar
    You can't always find an outlet to use. What happens when you're on the move all day and can't sit to let your phone charge for awhile. Plus a charger is bulkier than an extra battery
    04-09-2012 07:24 PM
  4. neopanther's Avatar
    Xonex. I don't think you gave your response much thought. Carrying a battery/batteries around is way different than carrying around a charger. Ever been to six flags and your phone was dying? What are you going to do? Go find a plug and sit next to it two hours and wait for it to charge or would you rather pull a fully charged battery out of your bag and keep it moving? Welded-in batteries are a VERY stupid idea. It's not that difficult. I always buy extra batteries and cradle chargers. Non-removable batteries cause more problems than they are supposed to be preventing.
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    04-09-2012 07:25 PM
  5. UncleMike's Avatar
    A spare battery is smaller and doesn't require being tethered to an electric outlet to get back to a full charge.
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    04-09-2012 07:27 PM
  6. venious's Avatar
    If your battery can't be removed, then the manufacturer knows the phone will be out of service sooner. In the end, it means you'll be coming back sooner to replace your phone and not reselling it to someone that is in the market for a phone. Sounds great, right?

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    04-09-2012 07:32 PM
  7. tohio's Avatar
    Carry a charger around?? Seriously? WOW! I also refuse to buy a cell phone that doesn't have a removable battery (as long as that option is available). Switching out a battery is painless as oposed to charging the phone. Also, pulling the battery for manual resets is a must for the MOD crowd. No non-removable battery phones for me!
    04-09-2012 07:33 PM
  8. silverfang77's Avatar
    I think they do it to build obsolescence into the phone. Once the battery goes, you're forced to buy a new phone or pay dear to have the battery replaced by the manufacturer. Either way, they win, you lose.
    neopanther and Jonneh like this.
    04-09-2012 07:35 PM
  9. Shotine's Avatar
    I feel that is is a bad trend starting and the only way it can be reversed is by the out crying of the users. As for my self i ride a street bike so i carry a extra battery with me so i can have power when needed and will not own a phone that dose not have a interchangeable battery.
    neopanther likes this.
    04-09-2012 07:41 PM
  10. Since9600's Avatar
    Personally I totally agree, I have always carried a spare for every phone I have ever owned and would NEVER buy a phone with a non-swappable battery.. Especially if you like the outdoors (like camping/hiking etc).. How is a non-swappable battery going to last me a week in the middle of no where with no power outlet? Last camping trip I went through four cell batteries...
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    04-09-2012 07:45 PM
  11. Lorak's Avatar
    Most manufacturers are doing it now for the form factor, they can make phones thiner if they don't have to worry about users having to get to it.

    And they have decided that they will sell more phones due to the thin design than they will lose because the battery is not removable.
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    04-09-2012 07:49 PM
  12. MA2GA28's Avatar
    Hey there. This question is directed more towards smartphones in general. However, I'm posting it here because the One X is the first phone that I've personally encountered that I would want to buy, but would actually consider not doing so because of it.

    Non-removable batteries. Can anyone shed some light as to why some companies are actually doing this now? Is there an important reason why the manufacturers don't want the owner to be able to swap batteries in and out? I'm not being snarky or douchey in asking - I genuinely would love to know why.

    I honestly can't see myself purchasing a phone with a non-removable battery. Especially an LTE phone. The only way I would consider it is if it had a huge one (3000+). I have family and friends too who simply refuse to buy phones unless you can change the battery.

    Battery life is SO important to users. I feel like it's even more important to "normal" smartphone owners. I can't figure our why this is starting to show up on a lot of phones?

    Love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!


    -mcskipp
    Razr Maxx for the win? I get anywhere from 2 to 4 (yes, 4) days out of it with low-moderate to high-moderate use.

    With that said, HTC has always had battery issues in their phones. Never been their strong suit. They're too focused on offering a phone that is amazeballs than actually realizing it's only amazeballs for 3 hours due to the teeny battery they provide.

    Why do they go the non-removable route? Venious is partially correct. Once the battery goes, you either have to pay the company to replace it for you or just trash the phone after the 2 years. Less secondary markets for decent but not-new phones = more money spent on their new phones. Simple economics. The other reason might be to do with the way they battery is in the phone with everything else. Design-wise, its a possibility that the phone (like a Razr, Razr Maxx, etc) can't be built with an easily accessible battery. Thus, there's really no design choice to allow for a removable battery due to its positioning amongst other components.
    04-09-2012 07:54 PM
  13. xonex's Avatar
    OK, I understand what you guys are saying.
    There is battery packs that hold 2 full charges, maybe a bit bigger than a phone battery but its viable option to carry.
    Don't you guys use car chargers whilst driving? Or does everyone ride bicycles or ride the bus?

    The thing is, I came from a gs2 and that used so much power I wouldn't get 10 hours but this quad core one x is just sipping the battery. Running out of battery is now something I don't worry about and its a nice feeling.
    I'm getting 24+ hours now with the same use so hopefully needing a spare battery or charger is a thing of the past.
    04-09-2012 07:56 PM
  14. tt1080i's Avatar
    What happens when you need to do a battery pull because your phone is locked and and unresponsive to any buttons.
    I've been there on a few phones.

    And what about upgrading to a longer lasting battery

    That's why I would prefer a removable battery
    04-09-2012 08:02 PM
  15. sjamie's Avatar
    Has anyone successfully modded a phone that had a non-removeable battery and prefer it to be that way?
    04-09-2012 08:03 PM
  16. RonD's Avatar
    The reason they are going to non-removable batteries is because they are monocoque construction. That means the exterior skin is the structure and there is no internal frame. With the monocoque constuction there is no back cover. This gives a smaller (thinner) and lighter device. I think they are trying to do like Apple does. I don't care about the thinness, give me a thicker device with a removable battery.
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    04-09-2012 08:07 PM
  17. Since9600's Avatar
    OK, I understand what you guys are saying.
    There is battery packs that hold 2 full charges, maybe a bit bigger than a phone battery but its viable option to carry.
    Don't you guys use car chargers whilst driving? Or does everyone ride bicycles or ride the bus?
    I have two cars with USB ports that I can charge off, BUT again not everyone wants to be tied to a charger, some of us do not sit next to a charger 24/7 and as I mentioned I have gone on week long camp/hiking trips which means no electricity.. I rather pack 4 fully charged batteries and know that I have 4 FULL charges...
    04-09-2012 08:08 PM
  18. Guy from SU's Avatar
    I have two cars with USB ports that I can charge off, BUT again not everyone wants to be tied to a charger, some of us do not sit next to a charger 24/7 and as I mentioned I have gone on week long camp/hiking trips which means no electricity.. I rather pack 4 fully charged batteries and know that I have 4 FULL charges...
    Seriously? You go through 4 batteries when you're out camping in the wilderness? Try turning the phone off and enjoying nature instead of playing "Draw Something" and turn on the phone in case of emergency.
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    04-09-2012 08:17 PM
  19. eatonjb's Avatar
    I think Apple sadly started a trend, Form over Function. Yes, most cases we might not need to change a battery, but I am always fearful that I might. Now that I started doing streaming music over BT, I noticed that without a removeable battery, I would be toating around another ipod or some other MP3 player.

    I do have one of thoes little chargers, but they don't work well just another device attached to your device. Pain in the BUTT!

    For the love of Android, I hope this trend does not stick. Perhaps the Maxx might be the only exception for me, but I rather still ahve the option.

    if they either stuffed a 5000mha battery, or a screen that does not eat battery, removeable or bust!
    04-09-2012 08:22 PM
  20. Since9600's Avatar
    Seriously? You go through 4 batteries when you're out camping in the wilderness? Try turning the phone off and enjoying nature instead of playing "Draw Something" and turn on the phone in case of emergency.
    LOL I have never played any of those games and refuse to play any... I don't even have facebook on my phone.. I just like having my phone ALWAYS ON ! Especially with kids, I just feel safer knowing the phone is always on.. Oh and the occasional personal blog update with pics and video as it all happens of course lol
    jroc likes this.
    04-09-2012 08:24 PM
  21. ncc1701p's Avatar
    Its a crappy math no matter how you look at it. Personally I'm w/ most people. I want a removable battery. When I was in japan i bought a mini elecom battery backpack 4200mA. Can charge a smart phone up to two times. I carry this too and its a life-saver. I still prefer to have control over my device as much as possible. Manufacturers are getting somewhat greedy w/ how they do this. There are services out there via Craigslist that will swap your battery out for a charge. THey've been doing this for iphones for years.

    Then there is insurance. You could pay ~$6/mo for it which IMHO i would pay for a phone with a non-removable battery. $6 * 12 = $72/yr. Worth it? yes or no. Im sure someone who's very good w/ #s and depreciation can better sum this up.

    I'm still rocking the OG Droid and frankly I'm afraid of what my next phone is going to be. 90% it will have a non-removable battery. :/
    carolmc65 likes this.
    04-09-2012 08:31 PM
  22. venious's Avatar
    I saw a solar charger on sale at Lowes, for any freaks that are up for that kind of baggage. Like $144.

    Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk
    04-09-2012 08:32 PM
  23. rbess1965's Avatar
    I think all you guys are right. There are occasions I would rather my phone be able to swap its battery if needed but I used a Samsung Charge for about 8 months without getting an extra and now that I have this Razr Maxx it seems even less important. For really heavy users it may not last as much as you'd like but for everyday normal use it's a really good device that easily gets me through the day. Just wanted to stand up for the Maxx crowd.
    jroc likes this.
    04-09-2012 08:32 PM
  24. trofmoc's Avatar
    one way to defeat rooting by not allowing battery to be rmoved. just a thought
    04-09-2012 08:47 PM
  25. Premium1's Avatar
    All about making the phones "thin" people of its a little thicker do they go this route
    04-09-2012 08:57 PM
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