[scorpiodsu]

Would you be saying the same thing if it was Google or Samsung in apples position. That is my biggest issue with statements like yours; you sure as hell wouldn't be saying that if it was any other company.

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Exactly. I'm sure people that are die hard Apple fans didn't like the some of the things that were happening the the iPad and iPhone in other countries due to court rulings in some of the Samsung patent wars. But those same people probably enjoy stuff like this. And that's exactly what I don't like. People love to be very firm against something when it somehow affects them in a negative way. But if it's the same situation but is beneficial, the user has a different perspective all of a sudden. If the same here. Because people want this phone they are somehow mad at Apple for doing exactly what other companies are trying to do to them. If Samsung was able to block all Apple shipments, Anroid fans would be estatic. They wouldn't be complaining about the patent system at all.

[Ry]

Exactly. I'm sure people that are die hard Apple fans didn't like the some of the things that were happening the the iPad and iPhone in other countries due to court rulings in some of the Samsung patent wars. But those same people probably enjoy stuff like this. And that's exactly what I don't like. People love to be very firm against something when it somehow affects them in a negative way. But if it's the same situation but is beneficial, the user has a different perspective all of a sudden. If the same here. Because people want this phone they are somehow mad at Apple for doing exactly what other companies are trying to do to them. If Samsung was able to block all Apple shipments, Anroid fans would be estatic. They wouldn't be complaining about the patent system at all.

Thank you.

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[ptm88]

Funny how the apple fanboy has a galaxy nexus..

[scorpiodsu]

Funny how the apple fanboy has a galaxy nexus..

If your referring to me then what makes me a fanboy if I have a Nexus? Because I'm speaking with objectivity and unbiased opinion and not slamming Apple? Ummmm ok. Sorry that you think because I don't share everyone's sentiments I somehow pledge allegiance to a company. In fact, what makes pains you even more is that I don't pledge allegiance to Android. I have no allegiance which is why I can rock a Nexus and defend Apple at the same time. In any event, do you have anything intelligent to say about the actual topic? Probably not which is why people resort to off topic insults. Have a good day.

[fernandez21]

If your referring to me then what makes me a fanboy if I have a Nexus? Because I'm speaking with objectivity and unbiased opinion and not slamming Apple? Ummmm ok. Sorry that you think because I don't share everyone's sentiments I somehow pledge allegiance to a company. In fact, what makes pains you even more is that I don't pledge allegiance to Android. I have no allegiance which is why I can rock a Nexus and defend Apple at the same time. In any event, do you have anything intelligent to say about the actual topic? Probably not which is why people resort to off topic insults. Have a good day.

What? Are you saying you didn't put one hand one the bible and pledged an oath when you bought your android handset?

On a serious note, I bought the one x from best buy on launch day because I had a $300 gift card, unfortunately for me they only had white, I really want grey. The rep at best buy at the time told me they should be getting it in the store soon since it was available on the best buy website as long as I was still within my 30 days. So that was the plan originally, but now with this news it doesn't seem likely, especially since no best buy store in my area even has the white in stock anymore. I wanted to avoid returning my phone and then ordering online and having to go a couple days with it, but now it seems I may have to do that, but my concern now is that while it still shows in stock on best buy's website, I'm afraid I'll order it and then have that order delayed or cancelled and then I would be without my one x for who knows how long.

Does anyone have any advise or has anyone ordered from best buy's website? Thanks.

[metz65]

Personally I would rather see the smart phone market driven by innovation rather than litigation.
I don't care if it's Apple Google or Joe blow down the street , if you truly innovate something new and unique and incorporate it into a product it should be protected.
I may be wrong but I seriously doubt Apple invented clicking on a link and then being presented with an option to make calls etc. Some of the other stuff is imo even more absurd. The whole yours looks like mine thing is crazy. Rounded corners, rectangular shape, a 1/2" Bezel, get over it, it's a phone. Do they have to start being made in the shape of a triangle or a circle ? I swear some of this crap is almost as stupid as if Lowes sued a lumber yard because their plywood looked to much like theirs.

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[ptm88]

If your referring to me then what makes me a fanboy if I have a Nexus? Because I'm speaking with objectivity and unbiased opinion and not slamming Apple? Ummmm ok. Sorry that you think because I don't share everyone's sentiments I somehow pledge allegiance to a company. In fact, what makes pains you even more is that I don't pledge allegiance to Android. I have no allegiance which is why I can rock a Nexus and defend Apple at the same time. In any event, do you have anything intelligent to say about the actual topic? Probably not which is why people resort to off topic insults. Have a good day.

NOT YOU!!! Haha relax have fun its a forum

[Droid800]

Personally I would rather see the smart phone market driven by innovation rather than litigation.
I don't care if it's Apple Google or Joe blow down the street , if you truly innovate something new and unique and incorporate it into a product it should be protected.
I may be wrong but I seriously doubt Apple invented clicking on a link and then being presented with an option to make calls etc. Some of the other stuff is imo even more absurd. The whole yours looks like mine thing is crazy. Rounded corners, rectangular shape, a 1/2" Bezel, get over it, it's a phone. Do they have to start being made in the shape of a triangle or a circle ? I swear some of this crap is almost as stupid as if Lowes sued a lumber yard because their plywood looked to much like theirs.

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Looking too much like it and being a carbon copy of it are two different things.
Google 'trade dress' and you'll understand.

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[jpb07]

Would you be saying the same thing if it was Google or Samsung in apples position. That is my biggest issue with statements like yours; you sure as hell wouldn't be saying that if it was any other company.

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Actually yes I would. Most companies handle business in a way that puts it on the infringer to **** off their customers...either pay damages or suspend shipments of the product if they don't want to pay them. What Apple has done here is like a kid running to an adult to whine because they aren't getting their way. They either don't have the balls to fight or are just using this as a sleazy tactic to hurt HTC. Once the phones are cleared I hope HTC sues the hell out of Apple for unfair business practices.

Edit: And for the record,I would have an iPhone if it didn't have such a small screen, a draconian OS that gives the user little flexibility, and high price.

[metz65]

Looking too much like it and being a carbon copy of it are two different things.
Google 'trade dress' and you'll understand.

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I don't need to Google it,I understand the concept and reasoning of "trade dress".

Perhaps it's just me but I have yet to see a Android phone that was such a carbon copy of the I phone that I would buy it under the belief I was buying an I phone.

I still think it's like if Ford sued Chevy because they sell a metal bodied vehicle that sets on 4 rubber circular shaped wheels with a cab area an open bed and has an engine in it . Yes they are both trucks, yes they look similar, but it's pretty obvious they aren't the same product.

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[p2cactus]

I still think it's like if Ford sued Chevy because they sell a metal bodied vehicle that sets on 4 rubber circular shaped wheels with a cab area an open bed and has an engine in it . Yes they are both trucks, yes they look similar, but it's pretty obvious they aren't the same product.

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Except in this case the US patent office gave Ford a patent for what you just described. It's a broken system for IP.

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[macguy59]

I'm an Apple guy but it's ridiculous that things like this happen. Most of the blame belongs with the patent system. Other smartphone mfg's are using the same tactics against Apple so be careful with the finger pointing.

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

HP invented the contextual menu hyperlink in 1979.
Apple invented it in 1996.
Our government granted the patent to Apple.

You have technologically-illiterate old white men making decisions that involve things they will never understand. Until that changes, this will never end.

[irishman06]

HP invented the contextual menu hyperlink in 1979.
Apple invented it in 1996.
Our government granted the patent to Apple.

You have technologically-illiterate old white men making decisions that involve things they will never understand. Until that changes, this will never end.

I think the USPTO has been trying to change that. When I graduated from engineering school a few years ago, they were recruiting pretty hardcore, and offering to pay for the law school of your choice to study patent and IP law.

Too bad the job of being a patent reader sucks.

[metz65]

HP invented the contextual menu hyperlink in 1979.
Apple invented it in 1996.
Our government granted the patent to Apple.

You have technologically-illiterate old white men making decisions that involve things they will never understand. Until that changes, this will never end.

Kinda makes ya wonder how much money changed hands to get that patent approved, so it's actually RICH illiterate old white men making those decisions. Cause we all know government entities and governing bodies are above reproach and bribery.

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[Droid800]

HP invented the contextual menu hyperlink in 1979.
Apple invented it in 1996.
Our government granted the patent to Apple.

You have technologically-illiterate old white men making decisions that involve things they will never understand. Until that changes, this will never end.

Except they're different Jerry. Just because you may not agree doesn't mean the patent shouldn't have been issued.

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[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Except they're different Jerry. Just because you may not agree doesn't mean the patent shouldn't have been issued.

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You click a link and you're given a dialog with choices of what to do with said link. You can see this today with any number of text based http browsers available for Unix, all of which were available long before Apple invented it. This technology predates the Internet as we know it, let alone smartphones.

Explain to me how Apple's method is different?

The simple fact is that all this technology was not patented or trademarked when it was first written. Had the fellows at Bell labs patented all their ideas as they came up with them, Apple or HTC would not even exist.

[Johnly]

Kinda makes ya wonder how much money changed hands to get that patent approved, so it's actually RICH illiterate old white men making those decisions. Cause we all know government entities and governing bodies are above reproach and bribery.

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Money changing hands...love it!

[nokia4life]

well i am faithful to non of them i buy whats the best to me at that time which is why the HOX is in my lineup i also have a 4s 32gb, galaxy nexus 16gb, nokia lumia 900 16gb, bb 9900, htc surround, and hp veer. i own stock in them all i just want them to keep pumping out great phones so that i can satisfy my phone habit. this holding up the evo's and one's sucks folks want their phones that they pre ordered , i think we phone junkies need to occupy ITC and the patent folks lets dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo this man!!!!!!. lol side note i do eventually sell the oldest or the most disliked to offset my cost since i buy these things off of contract. the only phone i buy on contract is iphones and thats because those things are dam expensive compared to the others oh all carrier branded att, except for the galaxy nexus.. they are all my precious yessssss.

[Droid800]

You click a link and you're given a dialog with choices of what to do with said link. You can see this today with any number of text based http browsers available for Unix, all of which were available long before Apple invented it. This technology predates the Internet as we know it, let alone smartphones.

Explain to me how Apple's method is different?

The simple fact is that all this technology was not patented or trademarked when it was first written. Had the fellows at Bell labs patented all their ideas as they came up with them, Apple or HTC would not even exist.

Your gross oversimplification of the patent in question is doing a great disservice to the readers here, let alone for the discussion going on in this thread. To put it bluntly, what you posted above is not accurate.

It is NOT just the dialogue box. It is the detection of structures in data, the turning of them into clickable links, and the association of those links with those dialogue boxes that change depending on what is identified in the structure.

One critical thing, which you completely glossed over in your glib response, is that the patent encompasses ALL of those things. It doesn't matter if elements of the patent existed separately prior to Apple's patent. The patent was granted to Apple specifically BECAUSE what it describes and the actions/elements that are a part of it, DID NOT exist as a complete unit prior to Apple's patent.

I know you guys like to rant about how the patent office is broken and how a patent like this shouldn't have been granted, but when you do so you completely ignore the nature of patents such as this and undermine any legitimate conversation on the topic. There is a REASON this patent was granted; just because you don't like it doesn't make those reasons just disappear.

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Your gross oversimplification of the patent in question is doing a great disservice to the readers here, let alone for the discussion going on in this thread. To put it bluntly, what you posted above is not accurate.

It is NOT just the dialogue box. It is the detection of structures in data, the turning of them into clickable links, and the association of those links with those dialogue boxes that change depending on what is identified in the structure.

One critical thing, which you completely glossed over in your glib response, is that the patent encompasses ALL of those things. It doesn't matter if elements of the patent existed separately prior to Apple's patent. The patent was granted to Apple specifically BECAUSE what it describes and the actions/elements that are a part of it, DID NOT exist as a complete unit prior to Apple's patent.

I know you guys like to rant about how the patent office is broken and how a patent like this shouldn't have been granted, but when you do so you completely ignore the nature of patents such as this and undermine any legitimate conversation on the topic. There is a REASON this patent was granted; just because you don't like it doesn't make those reasons just disappear.

There's a reason you think it should have been granted. Let's get that straight from the beginning. There are many reasonable people, including the European Union, who think granting software patents on ideas, rather than source code and methods, is utter garbage.

Right click a file on your computer. Look at the list of choices you have and operations you can perform on that file -- all of which are dependent on the changing data structure of the file itself, as well as installed applications on your computer. Apple did not invent this. Ever. MC does exactly this. It was written and distributed in 1994 under the GPL. It is not the only example, just one of the ones from the period Apple was "inventing" this. Apple does not deny benefiting from open source development and ideas. They used to say they were the good guys, remember?

Apple made the icons pretty. And they got a patent for it.

[Droid800]

There's a reason you think it should have been granted. Let's get that straight from the beginning. There are many reasonable people, including the European Union, who think granting software patents on ideas, rather than source code and methods, is utter garbage.

Right click a file on your computer. Look at the list of choices you have and operations you can perform on that file -- all of which are dependent on the changing data structure of the file itself, as well as installed applications on your computer. Apple did not invent this. Ever. MC does exactly this. It was written and distributed in 1994 under the GPL. It is not the only example, just one of the ones from the period Apple was "inventing" this. Apple does not deny benefiting from open source development and ideas. They used to say they were the good guys, remember?

Apple made the icons pretty. And they got a patent for it.

Way to completely ignore what I actually posted. Read it again. What apple patented did not exist, as a whole, prior to the patent. Period. There is a 'back end' to the patent that you have completely ignored. Perhaps you should go read the actual patent, and then you'll understand why it was granted. There's a reason they were granted the patent, and its a reason that seems to elude you. And here's a hint: it isn't because of some idiotic idea that the people in the patent office are gray-haired luddites that don't know anything about technology.

YOU don't seem to like the fact that this patent was granted. That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But you shouldn't be casting yourself as someone that knows everything about what's being discussed. You're here, not a member of the USPTO team. I'll trust their judgement over yours, thank you very much.

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[ladyhaly]

Originally Posted by jpb07<br />
Apple ought to do like most other segments do and demand damages. Holding up product at Customs does nothing but hurt the end user. That is my issue with it and this episode has completely sealed my household off from anything Apple. As far as the patents themselves...they ought to just call it a wash and start over. All of them have stolen from each other BUT whereas Apple is holding up EUs over petty BS, the others have some fairly sizable claims (notification bar being a biggie.)

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Would you be saying the same thing if it was Google or Samsung in apples position. That is my biggest issue with statements like yours; you sure as hell wouldn't be saying that if it was any other company. <br />
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Yes, I would. The fact is that people like you do not see the core issue on the matter: No one OWNS an idea. Ideas that people have as of today are products of previous ideas and knowledge in the past. So all of this is just technological evolution. An article pinpointing this in detail has been posted in phonearena.com months ago. You DO NOT patent the action; you patent the code. The same way you do not patent the genre of a book; you patent the exact writing.

What I fail to comprehend is why should anyone use their patents--- patents that are a product of a flawed patent system --- to halt the sales of another. This is an offensive action. Patents are supposed to protect, but during these days they can be used to cause offense. The vague nature and the idiocy of people also adds to this legal mess.

"Oh hey. Apple is allowed to do that. It's okay to be a PITA about it and legally attack others, not defend itself, and inconvenience consumers because the patent allows them to. It's nature that companies think of consumers as brainless idiots whose wallets should be drained, preferrably in a monopoly wherein they have no choice because companies naturally only care about profit."

Is this the kind of "intelligent" reasoning that is going to save humanity?



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[ladyhaly]

Way to completely ignore what I actually posted. Read it again. What apple patented did not exist, as a whole, prior to the patent. Period. There is a 'back end' to the patent that you have completely ignored. Perhaps you should go read the actual patent, and then you'll understand why it was granted. There's a reason they were granted the patent, and its a reason that seems to elude you. And here's a hint: it isn't because of some idiotic idea that the people in the patent office are gray-haired luddites that don't know anything about technology.

YOU don't seem to like the fact that this patent was granted. That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But you shouldn't be casting yourself as someone that knows everything about what's being discussed. You're here, not a member of the USPTO team. I'll trust their judgement over yours, thank you very much.

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What do you think a patent is and what it should be?

Should actions be patented?

Do you think that the nature and system of patents are excellent and should be left alone at present? Why?

Because from what I can garner from your responses, you base your responses on the fact that the patent system just IS and because it IS, everything that Apple or any other company that has similar practices IS justified--- ideas stolen and patented as their own or not. Nothing needs to be changed. We should all just accept that patents are what they are at present and companies should continue doing what they are doing to each other and further hurt the users because the patent system is just, perfect, and there are no problems with it.

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[Texas.dre]

I'm new to this forum and still an IOS user until HTC One X comes back or Galaxy S 3 comes online.

But reading these **** & moan comments are depressing. Some folks act like Android or IOS is putting food on their table. It's a lousy phone folks. It will not solve famine in Africa or elect the next president.

As far as the patent wars, well get use to it. The US patent system is broken and issues like this will continue to occur for the near future. Apple won this round but they are getting their teeth kicked in in other parts of the world regarding patents. Everyone is suing everyone else. Why do u think Google acquired Moto Mobility?? For its patent portfolios!!!

Now Android vs. IOS is so 3rd grade!! If you love your Android phone then God & Google love you and if you love eating the Apple then let God & Jobs ghost enjoy it!!!

Frankly, I an not going to use 1 millisecond of stress on fighting about which platform is better. You know which is better? Which ever phone at the time I want. I have a iPhone 4 now and so I'm eating my apple but when my HTC One X is available I will be making sweet love to my Ice Cream Sandwich. If a year from now Mango is wetting my appeitite then I'm loving me some Microsoft.

I drive a Jeep but I don't care or judge those who drive a Chevy or Ford, I drink Pepsi but I won't insult a guy that only drinks Coca Cola. I value my time too much to worry about fanboys and fangirls. Mind your own business and spend your money on whatever dang phone u want. Stop judging folks that don't agree with your decision and move on.

This isn't global warming or terrorism it's a funky **** phone!!!