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    Quote Originally Posted by jdevenberg View Post
    And you would be incorect. They may be losing sales, losing market share, and losing mind share, but they haven't been losing money. In a business losing money is a very specific thing. It means a company is spending more money than it is bringing in. Saying "To me" in front of an incorrect statement doesn't make it any more valid, it just makes you incorrect and/or ignorant.



    And your way of looking at this is incorrect. See above.
    Believe what you want. To say that I'm incorrect just cause I use a phrase in a way most others wouldn't is sad and narrow-minded. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with people who only see their way of thinking as the right way. They're getting less profit, which means they're losing profit, which can also mean in a way they're losing money. If you're incapable of getting your head around that, there's nothing I can do for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwaynewilliams#AC View Post
    $5000 to $2500 is still a loss. And whether you or anyone else thinks otherwise, it still is no reason to call me ignorant.
    Please quote me where I specifically called you ignorant.

    Again, the example shows that HTC is making enough to cover their expenses. When that revenue comes in below what's needed to cover their expenses, then they're operating at a loss. But that's not what HTC has reported.
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    Please quote me where I specifically called you ignorant.

    Again, the example shows that HTC is making enough to cover their expenses. When that revenue comes in below what's needed to cover their expenses, then they're operating at a loss. But that's not what HTC has reported.
    I understand that. Thanks.


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    Let's stop being childish about semantics and just agree that HTC was less successful over that period of time which is the important thing to take away from that.

    Getting back on topic I still don't feel that HTC will be successful until they have something with more wow factor. Show me something that other phones don't currently have that's more substance and less gimmicky, but most importantly something that people care about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    Let's stop being childish about semantics and just agree that HTC was less successful over that period of time which is the important thing to take away from that.

    Getting back on topic I still don't feel that HTC will be successful until they have something with more wow factor. Show me something that other phones don't currently have that's more substance and less gimmicky, but most importantly something that people care about.
    Thank you for the 1st part.

    The 2nd part I believe you are referring to a common misperception that somehow a smartphone must dazzle all its critics in order to be successful. This isn't true.

    The S3 was very successful, and yet it lacks the features of the HTC One. So why was it so successful, although being inferior in processing power, build quality, and screen display?

    Mainly marketing.

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    Speaking of semantics, let's get into the whole subjective/objective thing, shall we! "Build Quality" means something different for everyone, does it not? Is an iPhone or an HTC One a better "build quality" device if it cracks/scratches/breaks easily? Quality to a lot of folks is how durable is it over a long period of time. Seems to me the placticky stuff Samsung uses that so many find vile and downright offensive to the cores of their beings will last longer without any damage that requires replacement. Not to mention it makes for a lighter device most of the time, which again is a quality many find desirable.

    Anywhoo, this HTC phone looks to be a beautiful device, (my boss, an Apple die-hard since the 80s, actually is considering one)...but it's all about marketing, plain and simple, as has been stated already by many here and elsewhere. Half-a$$ or minimal marketing by HTC (not the carriers) means this phone is forgotten by most by June, just like the HTC phones from last year. In my opinion, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    Let's stop being childish about semantics and just agree that HTC was less successful over that period of time which is the important thing to take away from that.
    In this case, there's semantics and then there's the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    Getting back on topic I still don't feel that HTC will be successful until they have something with more wow factor. Show me something that other phones don't currently have that's more substance and less gimmicky, but most importantly something that people care about.
    But pretty much everything in the mid to high range is a good phone. Can HTC add more gimmicks? Beats? Ultrapixels?

    This goes back to the whole "innovative" point others have tried to make. The iPhone 5 and the Samsung Galaxy S3 are two of the most successful smartphones in history. What was so special about them - relative to the rest of the market?
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    This goes back to the whole "innovative" point others have tried to make. The iPhone 5 and the Samsung Galaxy S3 are two of the most successful smartphones in history. What was so special about them - relative to the rest of the market?
    Nothing. They were marketed to heck and back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by droidmyme View Post
    Mainly marketing.
    Quote Originally Posted by lpt2569 View Post
    Anywhoo, this HTC phone looks to be a beautiful device, (my boss, an Apple die-hard since the 80s, actually is considering one)...but it's all about marketing, plain and simple, as has been stated already by many here and elsewhere. Half-a$$ or minimal marketing by HTC (not the carriers) means this phone is forgotten by most by June, just like the HTC phones from last year. In my opinion, of course.
    This is good to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by droidmyme View Post
    The S3 was very successful, and yet it lacks the features of the HTC One. So why was it so successful, although being inferior in processing power, build quality, and screen display?
    So I assume you mean the One X since the S4 is about to launch in less then a month. Both the One X and S3 came out last year around the same time and they were pretty much similar. I don't know what you mean by "inferior processing power" they both had similar international versions with quad-core chips and although the US version of the S3 was dual-core it had a faster clock speed and had an additional 1GB of RAM. I not aware of any review of the US version noticing a speed difference between it and the International version.

    The One X had a slightly better screen and build quality but the S3 was slightly lighter, thinner and had a bigger screen. But Samsung ultimately brought more wow to their phone. They did a lot of work on the software side bringing a suite of "smart features" like S Voice, S Beam, Direct Call and many more. That coupled with riding the huge success of the S2 is why Samsung did better. Again the things that S3 excelled in were more important to the casual person; thinner, lighter, bigger screen and smart features.

    I don't bring these things up because I'm rooting for Samsung, I bring them up because I like competition, it's good for the industry and the consumers. It's important for companies like HTC to be more successful and raise the game for everyone else. HTC may have lacked marketing in the last round but it wasn't their only reason for failure against the competition. And people who are rooting for HTC should take a more critical look as to what they did wrong and what they are lacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    So I assume you mean the One X since the S4 is about to launch in less then a month. Both the One X and S3 came out last year around the same time and they were pretty much similar. I don't know what you mean by "inferior processing power" they both had similar international versions with quad-core chips and although the US version of the S3 was dual-core it had a faster clock speed and had an additional 1GB of RAM. I not aware of any review of the US version noticing a speed difference between it and the International version.

    The One X had a slightly better screen and build quality but the S3 was slightly lighter, thinner and had a bigger screen. But Samsung ultimately brought more wow to their phone. They did a lot of work on the software side bringing a suite of "smart features" like S Voice, S Beam, Direct Call and many more. That coupled with riding the huge success of the S2 is why Samsung did better. Again the things that S3 excelled in were more important to the casual person; thinner, lighter, bigger screen and smart features.

    I don't bring these things up because I'm rooting for Samsung, I bring them up because I like competition, it's good for the industry and the consumers. It's important for companies like HTC to be more successful and raise the game for everyone else. HTC may have lacked marketing in the last round but it wasn't their only reason for failure against the competition. And people who are rooting for HTC should take a more critical look as to what they did wrong and what they are lacking.
    Yes, true however I might mention that the reason people purchased the S3 in droves was not because of the higher clock speeds. In other words, looking at the larger market, you can't say that specs alone account for success. If that was the case, as Ry pointed out, then Apple iPhone would not have outsold the S3. Because spec wise, the S3 is superior to the iPhone. That is where marketing comes to bear.

    The issue is not the design of the One necessarily, or it's hardware. I've already read a few rave reviews of the HTC One. The issue is how well HTC can market it that will lead to its wide success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidmyme View Post
    Yes, true however I might mention that the reason people purchased the S3 in droves was not because of the higher clock speeds. In other words, looking at the larger market, you can't say that specs alone account for success.
    Its like you completely skipped the second paragraph of my post:

    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    The One X had a slightly better screen and build quality but the S3 was slightly lighter, thinner and had a bigger screen. But Samsung ultimately brought more wow to their phone. They did a lot of work on the software side bringing a suite of "smart features" like S Voice, S Beam, Direct Call and many more. That coupled with riding the huge success of the S2 is why Samsung did better. Again the things that S3 excelled in were more important to the casual person; thinner, lighter, bigger screen and smart features.
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    S3 did better because of marketing, that's it. The EVO LTE was largely the same phone with a better screen and without a removable battery. Touchwiz vs Sense was far and away the biggest difference between the two handsets. It's hard to credit Touchwiz with the success, with its confusing, disorganized look and inconsistent design language. All of Samsung's extra "features" were gimmicks, designed solely to tick more boxes against the iPhone. S-Voice is proof-positive of this. The average consumer did not or care about .1" of screen real estate, or a removable battery. What the hardcore Android crowd cares about (differs from person to person btw) has no effect on how the public perceives them. With the well-deserved success of the S2 to ride on and an incredible marketing presence, Samsung captured tremendous mindshare and huge sales. The S4 will do better than HTC again, there's almost no question, despite most likely again having a worse screen and the same chipset. A huge marketing force will convince people of the legitimacy of "features" they didn't know they needed until Samsung told them to. The question is can HTC make itself more relevant and begin to take back some of the mindshare it once had with the OG Evo.
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    S3 did better because of marketing, that's it. The EVO LTE was largely the same phone with a better screen and without a removable battery. Touchwiz vs Sense was far and away the biggest difference between the two handsets. It's hard to credit Touchwiz with the success, with its confusing, disorganized look and inconsistent design language. All of Samsung's extra "features" were gimmicks, designed solely to tick more boxes against the iPhone. S-Voice is proof-positive of this. The average consumer did not or care about .1" of screen real estate, or a removable battery. What the hardcore Android crowd cares about (differs from person to person btw) has no effect on how the public perceives them. With the well-deserved success of the S2 to ride on and an incredible marketing presence, Samsung captured tremendous mindshare and huge sales. The S4 will do better than HTC again, there's almost no question, despite most likely again having a worse screen and the same chipset. A huge marketing force will convince people of the legitimacy of "features" they didn't know they needed until Samsung told them to. The question is can HTC make itself more relevant and begin to take back some of the mindshare it once had with the OG Evo.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Divine View Post
    S3 did better because of marketing, that's it. The EVO LTE was largely the same phone with a better screen and without a removable battery.
    Sorry but the EVO 3D (which was the ultimate gimmick) doomed that brand in.
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    In my honest opinion, the One won't be forgotten.

    I believe in this because really, the One will be as fast as the S4 given that the S4 is supposed to use the same CPU (Snapdragon 600), at a slightly higher clockspeed, putting the two really on the same playing field, just a slight disadvantage for the One. The One will also, most definitely, have the better build quality, has Samsung will most definitely stick with plastic for the GS4 because it's a Korean related tradition. It will also have the better camera because, historically, HTC's cameras have outperformed Samsung's. It'll also have the memorable SLCD3 display where the S4 will use an HD Super AMOLED display, that'll have oversaturated colors like what we've seen in the past, plus poor viewing angles due to the use of PenTile Matrix tech.

    You also have to consider the One is unlike every HTC phone before - it's being released on almost every carrier with no differences. It's not like how HTC handled launching the One X, One X+, One VX, One V, One S, so on and so forth. This should also help greatly with HTC update system, so we should see updates like 4.2 and Key Lime Pie arrive a lot faster than updates for other handsets that the company had provided in the past.

    I have a lot of faith in the One, and it's gonna be amazing contender against the GS4... As for Motorola X Phone, we'll just have to wait and see. After the launch of the X Phone though, it won't be forgotten in my opinion. We all remembered the RAZR line from Motorola after the Nexus 4, didn't we? Have hope my friends - the One is unlike everything else we've seen from HTC in the past.
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    Keep in mind Android Central's 2012 Editor's Choice for best phone was the S3, the One X didn't even make it as a runner up, the Nexus 4 did. So unless you think Android Central was persuaded by Samsungs marketing you have to conceded that it has to do with more then just marketing. And just to add when you make a phone that is regarded as one of the best by experts, you get a lot of free marketing.

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    I think HTC can do better and I hope they do. It's just the beginning of 2013 and they have a lot more phones to wow us with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    Keep in mind Android Central's 2012 Editor's Choice for best phone was the S3, the One X didn't even make it as a runner up, the Nexus 4 did. So unless you think Android Central was persuaded by Samsungs marketing you have to conceded that it has to do with more then just marketing. And just to add when you make a phone that is regarded as one of the best by experts, you get a lot of free marketing.

    Android Central's 2012 Editor's Choice awards | Android Central
    And the One X was Engadget's favorite handset of 2012; Engadget has a much, much larger readership than AC. To deny that the phones were largely the same handset, separated mostly by Sense and Touchwiz is foolish. And reading the actual text of AC's award reveals that the Nexus 4 missed the spot due to lack of hardware ability. They even say that the SIII was eclipsed in hardware. It's at the top of their list due to worldwide availability and popularity, as well as being quick to receive its JB update. Different sources weigh different factors differently.

    Regardless, you're missing the point. Average consumers to which propelled the phone into success don't visit Android Central. It was all advertising which got its name out to the masses. Samsung established themselves as the defacto Android alternative to the iPhone with massive marketing.

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    Sorry but the EVO 3D (which was the ultimate gimmick) doomed that brand in.
    I was just using it as a placeholder for HTC's flagships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    I think the only thing that could save/resurrect HTC is to come up with another Nexus phone, and a good one.
    You act like the general public gives a rats *** about a Nexus phone or pure Android...I got news for you...that won't do jack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    Sorry but the EVO 3D (which was the ultimate gimmick) doomed that brand in.
    The phone itself is good (I still have it) the problem is other than the 3D (which was definitely a gimmick) there was nothing special about it. There were already better phones available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinster02 View Post
    You act like the general public gives a rats *** about a Nexus phone or pure Android...I got news for you...that won't do jack.
    It hasn't hurt LG any.
    Their Optimus G (offshoot of the Nexus) had been selling quite well.

    It's not so much about the public, it's a good idea because it would allow HTC to work more closely with Google again which is a benefit in many ways like getting up to speed with the newest versions of Android.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    It hasn't hurt LG any.
    Their Optimus G (offshoot of the Nexus) had been selling quite well.

    It's not so much about the public, it's a good idea because it would allow HTC to work more closely with Google again which is a benefit in many ways like getting up to speed with the newest versions of Android.
    He's right about "Nexus" not mattering much to consumers. But I think we could all agree that providing timely updates would be in HTC's best interest. I was jelly of jellybean on the SIII so quickly. Luckily the EVO got it somewhat soon after. The ATT One X (the HTC flagship in the US) was less fortunate.
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    Looks like the One might have a problem gaining traction, if this is true:

    Samsung Galaxy S4 set to disintegrate HTC One before it launches - SlashGear
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    The S4 looks sweet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xlDeMoNiClx View Post
    HTC needs to do everything it can to get the word out about the One and I mean everything. Samsung and Apple have been doing it and look where it got them, if HTC doesn't do the same the One will fall into obscurity as soon as it's released.
    Right! The troubling thing is I haven't seen any advertisements yet. I know they have a plan though...
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