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    Interesting possibility...it doesn't say if such a "feature" could be turned off.

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    On the EVO 4G, it could be disabled. But it would make sense if our phones shipped with this already.

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    Almost sounds like a proprietary Sprint process, though... (Without modification,) The Vivid is AT&T only, isn't it?

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    Unless otherwise flashes, yes.

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    Wil Wheaton is having this issue on his galaxy nexus and asked about it on g+. A super user (and possibly google guy) said that if you have the "turn WiFi off during sleep" AND the sprint WiFi sleep correctly turned off it most likely is an app. Is your WiFi actually sliding to off? Or does it just "sleep"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coryteague View Post
    Is your WiFi actually sliding to off? Or does it just "sleep"?
    I'm the OP, so my response is the WiFi slider goes from green to dull gray and it says "turning WiFi off" during the process.

    Some posts back, I thought this was happening only around my house WiFi setup. Well, I've been on some recent travel, and I find that the Wifi is mysteriously turning back on. I'm staying in different motels each night, so there's no way the phone recognizes the network and decides to turn on. Interesting...I'm sitting in a motel room right now...upon waking up, I checked the phone, WiFi was on but it had been turned off last night...turned it off. Checked the phone 30 minutes later...WiFi back on.

    Could be an app...I've only installed three so far. I suppose an experiment would be to one-by-one uninstall them and see if the problem goes away. If it still does it, it could be one of the stock apps or as suggested, a "feature" (aka, bug).

    Kurt
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    Solved! I discussed this with a co-worker and he found that my Google Ads feature was turned on. I understand this is used by Google to push ads or see what sort of things I've been doing. Apparently, then, this features turns on WiFi to transfer information...I guess it wants to use WiFi (if available) to transfer so that it doesn't detract from my data plan.

    I can't find that particular setting now...he did things so fast, I couldn't keep up with it. But my WiFi stayed off all night long...the first time in several months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtTX View Post
    Solved! I discussed this with a co-worker and he found that my Google Ads feature was turned on. I understand this is used by Google to push ads or see what sort of things I've been doing. Apparently, then, this features turns on WiFi to transfer information...I guess it wants to use WiFi (if available) to transfer so that it doesn't detract from my data plan.

    I can't find that particular setting now...he did things so fast, I couldn't keep up with it. But my WiFi stayed off all night long...the first time in several months.

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    Ah, the one in Google Play Store--->Settings (the three little dots)--->Under Other? It's called Google AdMob Ads. I hope that's it.

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    I think that's it...mine is currently unchecked...I do remember him going to the Play Store.

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    I honestly never had these issues, then again, Lookout Push Ad Detector helped. I opted out.
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    Two steps forward, one step back. It's back...Wifi back on in the middle of the night. Not sure what's changed...oh well, onward and upward.

    Kurt
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtTX View Post
    Two steps forward, one step back. It's back...Wifi back on in the middle of the night. Not sure what's changed...oh well, onward and upward.

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    Turn off all location services,
    Settings---> Location Services under Personal---> Uncheck All

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eduardo06sp View Post
    Turn off all location services,
    Settings---> Location Services under Personal---> Uncheck All
    This was one of the first things I did...months ago. It had no effect.

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    Have you received any OTA updates other than the one for ICS?
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    The only updates I get are when I turn the phone off for charging. I have disabled fast boot, so I see a number of updates when I turn the phone back on. I think these updates are repeated over and over...IIRC you've mentioned that there is some kind of bug that clears a number of settings each time. I'm not aware of getting updates any other way.

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    Those updates are just individual apps optimizing before boot. They are stored in the dalvik cache, which is in turn essentially saved in RAM (I know this isn't accurate, but it's treated by the OS as though it were). Every reboot clears the cache, meaning the same apps have to reoptimize every time you reboot.

    I don't think AT&T has pushed any OTA updates since ICS, have they?

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    but... I was away on a business trip out of state...my WiFi didn't turn on in the hotels I was in. But the first night I'm home, WiFi turned on at night. What is it about being "home" that causes this? BTW...my home area code is 210 while the phone is a 314 number.

    Kurt
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    I was up last night and checked the phone at 1 minute after midnight and the WiFi was still off. I happened to check again at 12:25am and found the Wifi on.

    I used an app (SendLog) to download and email the system log to me. After going through the log between these two times, I notice the following line:

    "09-20 00:22:23.990 V/SmartSyncScreenOnOffTimeReceiver(13060): auto mode screen set wifi turn on SettingOnTime=1348142400000"

    The previous day's log had a similar message and the number at the end was "1348056000000". The difference in these two numbers is 86400000. Interesting that the number of seconds in a day is 86400. Unfortunately, the actual clock difference between these two system logs is not exactly 24 hours.

    Does anybody know what this system message means? Is this the firmware command to turn on the WiFi once a day after midnight?

    Kurt
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    For all the work you've done so far, why not just write a small script that wakes up when that log message posts and turns WiFi back off? Whether you can code now is irrelevant - you've shown an aptitude that quickly begets such simple things as coding ability.

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    You give me way too much credit! I'm reading/hearing stuff and trying to make sense of it. The Vivid and OS is way to foreign for me to consider writing scripts...now if it was something that could be done in Fortran, now you're talking.

    There is an app that disables Smartsync...as near as I can tell it's supposed to turn WiFi off if it's not connected to a network. That's not my problem...Smartsync is turning it on (I think) but it's not smart enough to turn off when it's finished.

    Kurt
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    Last year in an article referenced by Fierce Wireless, I read that the carriers were going to start adding a "feature" like this in order to try to reduce data load on their networks (of course, it was to be pitched to customers as a feature to speed up their network access). In effect, any time your phone was near an access point to which it could connect, it would automatically turn on WiFi. Around February, 2012, this started happening with my Samsung Epic 4G, right after a software update from Sprint. It is a real pain, particularly because it drains your battery. As an example, if you have a home AP, and you sometimes connect to it from your phone but not always, you will find that every time you are at home your phone is constantly turning on WiFi and draining the battery. I thought it might be just my Samsung, but two weeks ago I got a new Motorola Photon Q LTE. It is doing the exact same thing, although it does have the courtesy to pop up a message box each time it does this, and ask me to "make this setting permanent". I have discovered that if you do not elect to make the setting permanent, it acts as if you did select that anyway.

    I have not yet found a way to disable this "feature", but I would really appreciate if anyone else could find an effective and simple way. So far the only halfway effective suggestion I have seen is to "forget" all of your WiFi connections. Of course, if you occasionally do want to connect to a secured WiFi AP, then you will have to reenter the security key each time, which sucks. Or you could just decide you will never use a secured WiFi AP again, which also sucks.
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    This is becoming my understanding as well...that the system chooses to turn on at night in order to look for updates. Using the WiFi side of things reduces the drain on the owner's data plan...I can also see that as a need to avoid extra load to the whole data system.

    I would rather use my data plan as I think I have plenty of that...as opposed to using more battery. If I had the choice to get the updates via data or WiFi, I would choose data.

    I have also tried the "forget this connection" with my home setup. I even tried disabling my SSID broadcast, but I think that if it connected before, it remembers the MAC address and connects anyway. I have not been able to confirm that with my logs so far. This would explain why my phone will turn WiFi on at home (because I did once use WiFi) as well as here at work (I also used the WiFi networks) but did not turn on when on a business trip because it didn't know about the motel's WiFi network.

    I noticed on my home modem (U-verse, 2Wire setup) that there is a setting to block specific MAC addresses. I'm thinking of using this setting to block the MAC for my phone. That my force the phone to not turn WiFi on if it knows or finds that it can't use that as an update path.

    It's a theory...to be tested out this weekend.

    Kurt
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    I had a discussion with someone who I've been told understands the electronics side of these phones. He had some interesting comments...they seem to make sense...but what do I know??

    He said that as for power usage, little is lost by having the WiFi feature on. But that when it came to sending data to a WiFi network in the next room versus sending data to a cell tower (ie, the data plan) several miles away, less power is used for WiFi because of the distance. Now, if one is traveling down the freeway, the WiFi might consume some power when trying to scan and look for available networks. Maybe in those situations, WiFi would be best. This may have bit me this summer. I think my phone was in sleep mode with WiFi on and I was on a trip. The battery power had gone down to maybe 40% before I left but I thought that would have been sufficient. When I needed the phone several hours later, it was dead. Possibly the scanning while in motion used extra power.

    Another trick he mentioned was recalibrating the 100% power level from charging. The trick was (not sure if it would work on the Vivid) is to charge the phone with it on or in sleep mode. After fully charged, turn the phone off-off, and charge again. This way, the programs that are running to monitor charge level when in sleep mode aren't there when really off, and the point of 100% charge will be redefined. This is a one-time thing...not every time.

    So, I may start letting WiFi stay on and see how long my battery lasts. I've been getting about 2 days out of it anyway...not too bad.

    Kurt
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    Make sure https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...d.attsmartwifi is not on your phone. If it is, see if you can disable or uninstall it. If not, I'm so sorry :-( Perhaps clear data and hope it never kicks in again.
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    I don't see any app with that name...I have other AT&T apps but not that one.

    The "trick" for recalibrating the battery doesn't seem to work...at least I can't tell from any of the displays. I charged the phone this morning while it was in sleep mode. I got the green full charge light and then turned the phone off-off. Hooked it back up for charging and the green light came on fairly quickly, within 30 seconds.

    Kurt
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