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    Well, after YEARS of denial by fans, it is now obvious to everyone that Apple steals.

    Great artists steal: The iOS 8 features inspired by Android

    Stealing is not why Apple is bad though. Hypocrisy is why Apple is bad. All these years, countless lawsuits (and over really trivial things, like icons and button placement and the shape of the phone), and it has come to this. Apple shamelessly rips off Android. And they have now done it in a way that even the most diehard fanboys will not be able to deny.

    Can't say that I really blame them. Apple users have obviously envied these features for a long time and if Apple did not deliver them, they risked a mass exodus of their users. But it just makes them look like such hypocrites. I wonder what Steve Jobs would have said?

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    are you fricken kidding lol apple has been stealing for years go have a look at new features on there past operating system, now i have not had a look at ios 8 but all the past operating systems example notification center to name one dev's have had that for years its was all in cydia long before it was ever part of an ios and trust me there are many many tweaks like that. Apple jumps up an down they are against jail breaking but yet they will intentionally leave a exploit open so the phone can in fact be jailbroken than they can wait to see what the dev's come up with lol so yes they steal lol
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    This is one fanboy argument we can finally put to rest. Apple does steal, and in a really obvious way.

    I hope Samsung exploits this in any remaining lawsuits they have going on with Apple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    Hypocrisy is why Apple is bad. All these years, countless lawsuits (and over really trivial things, like icons and button placement and the shape of the phone), and it has come to this. Apple shamelessly rips off Android. And they have now done it in a way that even the most diehard fanboys will not be able to deny.
    Well... the most diehard iFans are still drinking the Koolaid (there's one in particular that kept infesting my Google+ feed with clickbait until I blocked the pinhead)... but everyone knows and recognizes them as such.

    But 1000% this. It's what pisses me off the most about that company. And after WWDC, it now has ventured into farce territory.... they brazenly go out there, pompously insult Android, then proceed to brag about 'new' features that have been on the so-called inferior platform for years... Not just recently, YEARS.... some have been there since the dawn of Android. And their zealots stand up and clap, amazed at their bold new approach. The cognitive dissonance boggles my mind.
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    The difference is, in this case, Apple copied what are now industry standard features. Samsung, on the other hand, pretty much copied the whole UI, phone design, look, and etc.

    I don't really care who copy's or does something first, I care who does it the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSword View Post
    The difference is, in this case, Apple copied what are now industry standard features.
    Like icon grids and square shaped phones and slide to unlock? Those kind of industry standards?

    I don't really care who copy's or does something first, I care who does it the best.
    The thing is, Apple was suing people over this. It was not simply that they stole, but they wanted to prevent other people from "stealing" the same thing. The thief was screaming that he was being robbed, heh heh.

    Samsung, on the other hand, pretty much copied the whole UI, phone design, look, and etc.
    So it is ok to copy as long as you don't copy the UI? I'm not clear on what you're saying here. What is special about the design?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    Like icon grids and square shaped phones and slide to unlock? Those kind of industry standards?


    The thing is, Apple was suing people over this. It was not simply that they stole, but they wanted to prevent other people from "stealing" the same thing. The thief was screaming that he was being robbed, heh heh.


    So it is ok to copy as long as you don't copy the UI? I'm not clear on what you're saying here. What is special about the design?
    All I was saying was that I think samsungs case of stealing was more egregious.

    And I agree with you, it is hipicrytical. I'm just saying that Apple copied things that are pretty industry standard like setae keyboards, interactive notifications (notification center widgets) and thugs like that. You can't really fault them for giving their customers things they wanted for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSword View Post
    All I was saying was that I think samsungs case of stealing was more egregious.
    Why? How was it different from what Apple did?

    Apple ripped off the keyboard almost exactly. Like pixel by pixel.

    And I agree with you, it is hipicrytical. I'm just saying that Apple copied things that are pretty industry standard like setae keyboards, interactive notifications (notification center widgets) and thugs like that. You can't really fault them for giving their customers things they wanted for a while.
    Could you not make the exact same argument about UI/Design? Wasn't the home button on the iPhone already an industry standard? Weren't slightly rounded rectangles already an industry standard? Weren't icon grids already an industry standard?

    Yet Apple took people to count over this, and were cheerleader for it. Now they are doing the exact same thing, and all of a sudden it's ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSword View Post
    The difference is, in this case, Apple copied what are now industry standard features. Samsung, on the other hand, pretty much copied the whole UI, phone design, look, and etc.

    I don't really care who copy's or does something first, I care who does it the best.
    My Note 3 phone design was copied from Apple? Where did Apple have a phone that has unlock on the right side of the phone.. And where is their 5.7 inch screen? Also... Where is Apple's phone that has a back key and menu key near the home button like my Note 3?

    Sorry I just don't agree with you on that point... I don't see how this phone design could of been stolen from Apple when they have nothing like it.. The only thing that is the same is the shape.. Which.. Honestly every smartphone has that same generic shape..

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    Apple gamed the patent system in order to suppress competition, not to protect their IP.

    The software patent system here in the US is an absolute joke.... companies can patent total trash...concepts that have no real basis in reality... and if they come upon an OBVIOUS feature and patent it first, they can hold it hostage. All they need to do is convince some pinhead in the USPO that it's legit and they got it.... like all that horsecrap Apple claimed with the shape of their phones. If anyone wants to see just how screwed up the process is, go look at that fiasco.

    Now, I am all for protecting REAL IP... the source code behind the curtain.... If Samsung ripped Apple's actual source code for 'slide to unlock', OK.... they got a case... but to protect software CONCEPTS...that is unadulterated horsecrap. PINCH TO ZOOM!!!!! Apple actually, honestly thought they invented this concept.

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    Something tells me that the detente between Apple and Google, where they said they would stop suing each other, and Apple's WWDC blatant copying of a ton of features was no coincidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    Why? How was it different from what Apple did?

    Apple ripped off the keyboard almost exactly. Like pixel by pixel.


    Could you not make the exact same argument about UI/Design? Wasn't the home button on the iPhone already an industry standard? Weren't slightly rounded rectangles already an industry standard? Weren't icon grids already an industry standard?

    Yet Apple took people to count over this, and were cheerleader for it. Now they are doing the exact same thing, and all of a sudden it's ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoRex View Post
    Apple gamed the patent system in order to suppress competition, not to protect their IP.

    The software patent system here in the US is an absolute joke.... companies can patent total trash...concepts that have no real basis in reality... and if they come upon an OBVIOUS feature and patent it first, they can hold it hostage. All they need to do is convince some pinhead in the USPO that it's legit and they got it.... like all that horsecrap Apple claimed with the shape of their phones. If anyone wants to see just how screwed up the process is, go look at that fiasco.

    Now, I am all for protecting REAL IP... the source code behind the curtain.... If Samsung ripped Apple's actual source code for 'slide to unlock', OK.... they got a case... but to protect software CONCEPTS...that is unadulterated horsecrap. PINCH TO ZOOM!!!!! Apple actually, honestly thought they invented this concept.

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    Something tells me that the detente between Apple and Google, where they said they would stop suing each other, and Apple's WWDC blatant copying of a ton of features was no coincidence.
    I'm not talking about recent samsung devices. The litigation is about samsung products like the S2 I think.
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    Why are Andriod fans always bringing up Apple all the time? You go to iMore and no one [inappropriate language removed by moderators] about Andriod, no one talks about it, good or bad. You come here and there is always a thread bashing Apple, overcompensating for something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by htabbach View Post
    Why are Andriod fans always bringing up Apple all the time?
    Because Apple is in the habit of suing anything that moves and accusing everyone of stealing from them. And Apple's fans make countless excuses for them.

    You go to iMore and no one [inappropriate language removed by moderators] about Andriod, no one talks about it, good or bad. You come here and there is always a thread bashing Apple, overcompensating for something?
    If Google was constantly suing Apple over trivial or stupid stuff, you'd probably see a lot more Android bashing over there.
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    Oh wow, iMore actually approved my post. Color me surprised.

    Apple will not stand anymore in Front of Android / samsung - Page 3 - iPhone, iPad, iPod Forums at iMore.com

    Apple Insider is definitely not as forgiving...any criticism of Apple on there at all results in a ban. They do not care how polite you are, or that you are not insulting anyone. Apple criticism of any kind is all it takes. The mods there will delete posts critical of Apple as well, even from Apple fans themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by htabbach View Post
    Why are Andriod fans always bringing up Apple all the time? You go to iMore and no one [inappropriate language removed by moderators] about Andriod, no one talks about it, good or bad. You come here and there is always a thread bashing Apple, overcompensating for something?
    Thank you.

    It's ridiculous. It's childish. It is becoming pathetic.

    Posted from my Android device that lives happily next to a couple of Apple devices because platform wars are stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almeuit View Post
    My Note 3 phone design was copied from Apple? Where did Apple have a phone that has unlock on the right side of the phone.. And where is their 5.7 inch screen? Also... Where is Apple's phone that has a back key and menu key near the home button like my Note 3?

    Sorry I just don't agree with you on that point... I don't see how this phone design could of been stolen from Apple when they have nothing like it.. The only thing that is the same is the shape.. Which.. Honestly every smartphone has that same generic shape..

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    The litigation was about the first two galaxy phones I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reeneebob View Post
    Thank you.

    It's ridiculous. It's childish. It is becoming pathetic.
    Apple is extremely efficient at generating hate. Suing everyone is what is probably responsible for most of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    Apple is extremely efficient at generating hate. Suing everyone is what is probably responsible for most of it.
    And people like Samsung...

    I think people need to remember they are CELLPHONES. Crackberry and AC are particularly bad for competitor bashing. You certainly don't see it this bad at iMore. It happens occasionally but not pathologically like here and CB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reeneebob View Post
    And people like Samsung...
    Samsung people are not hating on LG or HTC. And it is not just samsung people hating on Apple...everyone does (except Apple fans). It's larger than Samsung. I criticize Apple all the time and I've never owned a Samsung device.

    I think people need to remember they are CELLPHONES. Crackberry and AC are particularly bad for competitor bashing.
    Again...that might change if Google started going around suing people over stupid stuff. You do not see bashing because Google does not do to Apple what Apple does to everyone else.

    Samsung's lawsuits are defensive, and everyone can see that. Even Apple People.
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    Yeah no. I don't subscribe to Samsung being solely defensive. Their own LAWYER called them corrupt. And I say that as a platform agnostic. Just the fact that terms like Apple People and Samsung People are being used it a perfect example of how silly it all is.

    Just use a cell phone. Or don't. It's not a holy war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reeneebob View Post
    Yeah no. I don't subscribe to Samsung being solely defensive. Their own LAWYER called them corrupt. And I say that as a platform agnostic. Just the fact that terms like Apple People and Samsung People are being used it a perfect example of how silly it all is.

    Just use a cell phone. Or don't. It's not a holy war.
    When you act like an [inappropriate language removed by moderators] you have to expect criticism. Thats what Apple is learning. And expressing an opinion on a forum is not necessarily a holy war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    . And expressing an opinion on a forum is not necessarily a holy war.
    What the hell else are we going to talk about, canasta?

    Apple just had their huge development conference where they crapped on Android and then copied its features in the same breath. Of course we are going to discuss it.

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    The irony to all this is if the roles are reversed then Apple would [inappropriate language removed by moderators] suing Google. One thing Apple is better than anyone else is misleading people.

    I told my brother using an iPhone5 about the new features, and he said "that's good so I don't have to go back to Android." He previously had an S3 and no doubt Touchwiz ruined the experience for him. I hate to admit it, but he have a point. I have seen several people I know whose Android experience is ruined by Touchwiz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    Because Apple is in the habit of suing anything that moves and accusing everyone of stealing from them. And Apple's fans make countless excuses for them.


    If Google was constantly suing Apple over trivial or stupid stuff, you'd probably see a lot more Android bashing over there.
    I have no loyalty to a company over another, I prefer products over others. If Google wants to sue Apple they should go for it, I don't give a [inappropriate language removed by moderators]. If Ford wants to sue Chevy, no one cares, only people with no life care about these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post
    Well, after YEARS of denial by fans, it is now obvious to everyone that Apple steals.

    Great artists steal: The iOS 8 features inspired by Android

    Stealing is not why Apple is bad though. Hypocrisy is why Apple is bad. All these years, countless lawsuits (and over really trivial things, like icons and button placement and the shape of the phone), and it has come to this. Apple shamelessly rips off Android. And they have now done it in a way that even the most diehard fanboys will not be able to deny.

    Can't say that I really blame them. Apple users have obviously envied these features for a long time and if Apple did not deliver them, they risked a mass exodus of their users. But it just makes them look like such hypocrites. I wonder what Steve Jobs would have said?

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    With the exception of the reply options, yes, Android has had these features for a while. Apple couldn't ignore these types of things though, so they had to add them. I will say that they shouldn't have been without them in the first place, apart from *maybe* keyboards as they are billing themselves as secure, and technically 3rd party keyboards *could* be sending info back. I don't think that they should've made these features tent poles as they call them, as they're just catch up, not new.

    Android has "reply" in notifications, but when I press it, it opens the other app. Apple's keeps you in the app. What they really took from is ByteSMS, which is a jailbreak app.
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