[RBasil]

You don't have to be an iPhone fan to realize that Apple's new OS is going to kick major *** for both developers and users.

[darreno1]

Hmmm, seems like it's just playing catchup. Ooooh wow, you can now change your wallpaper without jailbreaking:rolleyes:

I'm just waiting for the constant crashing and slow-to-a-crawl complaints next. It will be funny.

[Jared DiPane]

Um, I really hope you are joking.

People are really getting excited that this phone will soon do a dumbed down version of what EVERY other smartphone has done for YEARSSSSS?

I mean, come on guys.

[Andrew Ruffolo]

Doubt the 1st gen will be able to handle it. Sure there may not be many Edge iPhones left, but what about ipod touches? my 1st gen touch could barely handle 3.0 unhacked.

[doogald]

Doubt the 1st gen will be able to handle it. Sure there may not be many Edge iPhones left, but what about ipod touches? my 1st gen touch could barely handle 3.0 unhacked.

It will not. OS 4 is only for iPhone 3G and 3GS, iPod Touch 2nd gen and 3rd gen. Only the 3GS and Touch 3rd gen will support the "multitasking".

[GenericMessage]

It will not. OS 4 is only for iPhone 3G and 3GS, iPod Touch 2nd gen and 3rd gen. Only the 3GS and Touch 3rd gen will support the "multitasking".

and the iPad


*laughs every time he hears about the iPad*

[Complex Pants]

Yes the dropped a bomb...on devs....

[jmoney00]

It will not. OS 4 is only for iPhone 3G and 3GS, iPod Touch 2nd gen and 3rd gen. Only the 3GS and Touch 3rd gen will support the "multitasking".

Sry 3g phones wont be able to handle it. Only 3gs could handle it witch is going to suck for everyone but them.

[atomicdog21]

http://www.androidcentral.com/iphone-40-no-worries-here

Honestly, I'm kind of underwhelmed.

[Duvi]

OS4 will include all devices. Multitasking is only going to the 3GS, 3rd gen Touch & iPad (as well as future devices).

I rate the announcements a 6/10, but I also keep in mind, as should every, it was a preview and like last year, they will probably announce more features and the new 4th gen come WWDC.

[bbrosen]

Sry 3g phones wont be able to handle it. Only 3gs could handle it witch is going to suck for everyone but them.

well even my htc hero cannot multitask and it is only 5 months old and cannot access a lot of the new apps. we still have 1.5 and will for the summer.

[doogald]

OS4 will include all devices. Multitasking is only going to the 3GS, 3rd gen Touch & iPad (as well as future devices).

According to what :

iPhone OS 4 Compatibility

iPhone OS 4 will work with iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, and the second- and third-generation iPod touch this summer, and with iPad in the fall. Not all features are compatible with all devices. For example, multitasking is available only with iPhone 3GS and the third-generation iPod touch (32GB and 64GB models from late 2009).

So, it will not work with the original iPhone and original iPod Touch at all. It will work with the 3G and 2nd gen Touch, with not multitasking support for those devices.

[Duvi]

Hmmm, seems like it's just playing catchup. Ooooh wow, you can now change your wallpaper without jailbreaking:rolleyes:

I'm just waiting for the constant crashing and slow-to-a-crawl complaints next. It will be funny.

Isn't that the same as you using custom roms :rolleyes:

I do find that to be funny when people say, "Oh you have to jailbreak that to get those features" and they have leaked OSes (usually BB) or custom roms (with Android). I find that to be a bit hypocritical actually.

Apple isn't playing catchup IMO. They've sold over 50 million iPhones in 3 years on 3 models. Heck, they only one US carrier, but have many carriers and devices does Android have?

Although I like Android OS more, when will they catch up with:

• Better copy & paste... or do I need a mod for that? :o
• Applications... Only app that I love using better on Android is Tapatalk.
• Applications (again)... 9,300 apps in March. How many were actually apps? Oh, skins! Yay (sarcasm)
• Mail... sloppy IMO. I won't even get into that.
• Camera (stock)...?
• Fragmentation... Why don't all capable devices get the same updates at the same time the rest do?

I lost count on how many Android devices came out after the 3Gs, why would you be surprised that the Droid & Nexus have better hardware specs?

I have yet to have one slowdown on my 3Gs and I don't see many topics like that popping up in the iPhone forums. Yet, I see a lot of people suggesting "App Killers". Supposedly, Android devices do not need it, but if that was the case, it wouldn't be being suggested at all. It's obvious that some users are experiencing these slow downs, including me! I've had to restart my Nexus One more than my BlackBerry 9700, which is surprising to me.

Every phone has it's ups and downs... no phone is perfect or I wouldn't have four different OSes in front of me right now.

[Duvi]

According to what :



So, it will not work with the original iPhone and original iPod Touch at all. It will work with the 3G and 2nd gen Touch, with not multitasking support for those devices.

Lmao @ me even forgetting about the 2G. Yup, wasn't even referring to that, my bad. :o

[RBasil]

Apple isn't playing catchup IMO. They've sold over 50 million iPhones in 3 years on 3 models. Heck, they only one US carrier, but have many carriers and devices does Android have?

My thoughts exactly. I own an N1 and an iPhone 3GS. I love both phone for different reasons, but when people say Apple is playing catch-up I have to laugh. It's Android that has a long way to go to catch up to Apple, not the other way around.

[RBasil]

Yes the dropped a bomb...on devs....

You really think this is going to stop developers from writing apps for the iPhone and iPad? You are kidding right? While I don't agree with Apple's heavy handed treatment of developers it's not going to stop developers from working on apps. Sure, they might lose a few here and there, but there will be many more to take their place. With 50+ million iPhone owners ready to purchase apps the developers are not going anywhere. Developers will go where the money is, and for the foreseeable future (many years, not months) it is with the iPhone OS. You are living in a dream world if you think otherwise.

[darreno1]

Isn't that the same as you using custom roms :rolleyes:

I don't need a custom rom to change my wallpaper or install custom made apps. That's the point.

I do find that to be funny when people say, "Oh you have to jailbreak that to get those features" and they have leaked OSes (usually BB) or custom roms (with Android). I find that to be a bit hypocritical actually.

Again the point is you can customize Android way more than the iPhone WITHOUT rooting. That's a fact and there is nothing hypocritical about mentioning it.

Apple isn't playing catchup IMO. They've sold over 50 million iPhones in 3 years on 3 models. Heck, they only one US carrier, but have many carriers and devices does Android have?

Apples and oranges. Blackberry and Nokia both outsell the iPhone, so by your logic Apple is playing catchup to them. High sales figures while an indication of success, doesn't necessarily mean it is better. That is a subjective matter.

Although I like Android OS more, when will they catch up with:

• Better copy & paste... or do I need a mod for that? :o
  
  [uh I copy and paste just fine on Android. In fact under certain circumstances it's quicker than on the iPhone - just hit shift on the keyboard and drag a finger. No dialogue box to deal with when copying.
  
• Applications... Only app that I love using better on Android is Tapatalk.
  
  [And that's your opinion. IMO the Google apps like Nav and skymap are superior to anything on the iphone. And the Android equivalents like barcode scanner, shazam, where etc all work perfectly fine. I miss nothing from my previous iphone 3g.]
  
  
• Applications (again)... 9,300 apps in March. How many were actually apps? Oh, skins! Yay (sarcasm)
  
  [Oh like the app store isn't full of complete crap. Give me a break!]
  
• Mail... sloppy IMO. I won't even get into that.
  
  [Mail on the iphone sucks period. Touchdown for Android is unmatched. And gmail on the iphone is a joke. Attachment handling on the iphone is a joke as well. ]
  
• Camera (stock)...?
  
  [The droid can take decent pics with a little patience but I agree, it can use some improvement.]
  
• Fragmentation... Why don't all capable devices gs et the same updates at the same time the rest do?
  
  [FUD. Not a real problem but a manufactured one by people who've run out of material.]

I lost count on how many Android devices came out after the 3Gs, why would you be surprised that the Droid & Nexus have better hardware specs?

I have yet to have one slowdown on my 3Gs and I don't see many topics like that popping up in the iPhone forums. Yet, I see a lot of people suggesting "App Killers". Supposedly, Android devices do not need it, but if that was the case, it wouldn't be being suggested at all. It's obvious that some users are experiencing these slow downs, including me! I've had to restart my Nexus One more than my BlackBerry 9700, which is surprising to me.

Every phone has it's ups and downs... no phone is perfect or I wouldn't have four different OSes in front of me right now.

You must not be browsing the Apple forums then. Go do a search for slowdown or slow or crash and see how many hits you get.

I hardly if ever get slowdowns on my droid and I do not use an app killer. The N1 has even more memory on board, if you're having issues it's probably user error. Anyway, why do you own an N1 again?

[RBasil]

The fact of the mater remains that 95% of people don't need or want to "customize" their phones. They just want them to work. Apple know's this. I'm a database engineer and have been programming and hacking longer than most people here have been alive, and while I personally love the customization of my N1... I use my 3GS as my daily phone. I personally feel it just a better all around experience for daily use. To each his own I guess.

[darreno1]

^^I think everyone wants their phone to just work and that's exactly what my Droid does and does extremely well.

I'm a little curious as to why you use an N1. Doesn't the iphone fulfill all your needs?

[RBasil]

^^I think everyone wants their phone to just work and that's exactly what my Droid does and does extremely well.

I'm a little curious as to why you use an N1. Doesn't the iphone fulfill all your needs?

I purchased an N1 because I am a Google fanboy and use almost all of their products on a daily basis, also because I wanted the navigation. I have the TomTom nav on my iPhone but wanted the Google nav with street view. The Google nav kicks ***, now if I can just get the screen to be viewable outside I so I can see the navigation I'll be set. Damn Amoled screen sucks outside during the day here in Arizona even inside my car with the new N1 car dock,

[Duvi]

I don't need a custom rom to change my wallpaper or install custom made apps. That's the point.

Again the point is you can customize Android way more than the iPhone WITHOUT rooting. That's a fact and there is nothing hypocritical about mentioning it.

The point is you rooted and/or installed a custom rom. Why? Keep it as is. There is obviously a reason you did. So that is being hypocritical if you're doing the same thing iPhone users do, but for different reasons.

Apples and oranges. Blackberry and Nokia both outsell the iPhone, so by your logic Apple is playing catchup to them. High sales figures while an indication of success, doesn't necessarily mean it is better. That is a subjective matter.

I was stating that they weren't playing catchup to Android.

I should also mention satisfaction rating and the awards that JD has given Apple the past three years... oh wow, that's actually as long as the iPhone has been out for. So yeah, if you add up on the factors, I would say everyone else is playing catchup. When have you heard "This may be an Android Killer". Never!

Sales doesn't equate to better or catchup, but once again, customer experience / satisfaction ratings does!

Look at the industry average and where is Nokia & BlackBerry?





Although I like Android OS more, when will they catch up with:

• Better copy & paste... or do I need a mod for that? :o
  
  [uh I copy and paste just fine on Android. In fact under certain circumstances it's quicker than on the iPhone - just hit shift on the keyboard and drag a finger. No dialogue box to deal with when copying.
  
  Please tell me how do copy text from the Gmail app? Or from my Yahoo account? Or from my MobileMe account that are all on my Nexus one?
  
  
• Applications... Only app that I love using better on Android is Tapatalk.
  
  [And that's your opinion. IMO the Google apps like Nav and skymap are superior to anything on the iphone. And the Android equivalents like barcode scanner, shazam, where etc all work perfectly fine. I miss nothing from my previous iphone 3g.]
  
  I should have said 3rd party apps! Ones not made by Google.
  
  
• Applications (again)... 9,300 apps in March. How many were actually apps? Oh, skins! Yay (sarcasm)
  
  [Oh like the app store isn't full of complete crap. Give me a break!]
  
  Oh yes, there may be, but they are at least APPS! Good or bad is very subjective... you should know that, you mentioned that above
  
  
• Mail... sloppy IMO. I won't even get into that.
  
  [Mail on the iphone sucks period. Touchdown for Android is unmatched. And gmail on the iphone is a joke. Attachment handling on the iphone is a joke as well. ]
  
  Like I stated above... I can't even copy & paste within the mail app. Why is there two mail apps? One for "gmail" and one for "others"! No push for Yahoo? I understand that is Google's competition, but if I have one (which I do), I don't get push? In fact, Google took a **** on all other mail that isn't Gmail IMO.
  
  I really hope I don't hear a "but I don't use Yahoo" response as there are a lot, and I mean a lot of people that still use Yahoo. Most are because they've had the account for so long.
  
  
• Camera (stock)...?
  
  [The droid can take decent pics with a little patience but I agree, it can use some improvement.]
  
  w00t!
  
  
• Fragmentation... Why don't all capable devices gs et the same updates at the same time the rest do?
  
  [FUD. Not a real problem but a manufactured one by people who've run out of material.]

How is that manufactured or is it because there isn't a response to it? My sister just bought an Android device that was released (maybe a month ago) and she doesn't have 2.1 for it. She questioned why my phone had the speech to text capabilities for everything and hers didn't. Her friend who has a G1, isn't even getting the 2.1 update (I could be wrong, but I don't keep up). This is understandable (G1), but how does a current or recently released device not have the latest firmware?

You must not be browsing the Apple forums then. Go do a search for slowdown or slow or crash and see how many hits you get.

Hmmm... I had about 90 apps on my iPhone and never experienced slow downs. I had a little bit over 40 on my Nexus One and had to delete them a few days ago because my "memory" was too low and had to delete some. Yes, I am a member of everyone of the "top" iPhone forums and slowdowns isn't a popular topic bro. Not sure which ones you're going through to see that. Also, the point was that it was a lot more of those issues with Android (even with the snapdragon processor that I have).

I hardly if ever get slowdowns on my droid and I do not use an app killer. The N1 has even more memory on board, if you're having issues it's probably user error. Anyway, why do you own an N1 again?

"I hardly if ever get slowdowns", but maybe it's because of the rom you're using :rolleyes:

Like I said, I've never had a slow down on my 3Gs. I get them on my Pre, BlackBerry devices and Nexus!

User error... awesome response. I think we both know user error isn't the case with me, but nice try. It was cute actually.

I beta test for a lot of apps and use all different platforms as I have a couple BlackBerry devices, 3Gs, Pre & Nexus. User error isn't an option. I'm sure my experience with phones is a little bit above average to be user error.

[darreno1]

The point is you rooted and/or installed a custom rom. Why? Keep it as is. There is obviously a reason you did. So that is being hypocritical if you're doing the same thing iPhone users do, but for different reasons.

Ah, but the nature of the reason is what matters to Android power users and is the reason why I'll never own another Apple product.

I was stating that they weren't playing catchup to Android.

I should also mention satisfaction rating and the awards that JD has given Apple the past three years... oh wow, that's actually as long as the iPhone has been out for. So yeah, if you add up on the factors, I would say everyone else is playing catchup. When have you heard "This may be an Android Killer". Never!

Sales doesn't equate to better or catchup, but once again, customer experience / satisfaction ratings does!

Look at the industry average and where is Nokia & BlackBerry?

LOL!! This is a totally subjective matter my friend. JD Power or any survey for that matter wouldn't change the mind of the happy corporate user who relies on his Blackberry for email, an area where Android and the iPhone both need some work. Personally I hate blackberries, but that's just my opinion. Same applies to any other user. For me, right now, Android is the best OS and I've had the opportunity to use them all. So JD Power can s**K it!

Although I like Android OS more,

Really? What do you like about it?

Please tell me how do copy text from the Gmail app? Or from my Yahoo account? Or from my MobileMe account that are all on my Nexus one?

Ah yes, this is where not having a hardware keyboard sucks. On my Droid, I simply slide open the keyboard, hold the shift key and drag my finger across the text to be copied, that's all. It gets copied to the clipboard at that point and I can then paste it wherever. Unless someone with a n1 can chime in (or there's a third party app to help), I don't know if this is possible with the software keyboard. So Android has the capability, it's just that HTC might have dropped the ball on that one. Notice I said 'might'. There could be a workaround for this.

I should have said 3rd party apps! Ones not made by Google.

It wouldn't make a difference really. The third party apps I've got installed on my Droid work beautifully. And I care more about function, not polish.

Where I'll admit the iPhone has the edge for now is in 3d games.

Oh yes, there may be, but they are at least APPS! Good or bad is very subjective... you should know that, you mentioned that above

What difference does it make whether it's an app or a skin? If it useless to me, it's still useless.

Like I stated above... I can't even copy & paste within the mail app. Why is there two mail apps? One for "gmail" and one for "others"! No push for Yahoo? I understand that is Google's competition, but if I have one (which I do), I don't get push? In fact, Google took a **** on all other mail that isn't Gmail IMO.

I really hope I don't hear a "but I don't use Yahoo" response as there are a lot, and I mean a lot of people that still use Yahoo. Most are because they've had the account for so long.

I don't use Yahoo, lol. I could care less about that crappy email service. I get exchange and my Gmail both pushed reliably. So I'm very satisfied.

How is that manufactured or is it because there isn't a response to it? My sister just bought an Android device that was released (maybe a month ago) and she doesn't have 2.1 for it. She questioned why my phone had the speech to text capabilities for everything and hers didn't. Her friend who has a G1, isn't even getting the 2.1 update (I could be wrong, but I don't keep up). This is understandable (G1), but how does a current or recently released device not have the latest firmware?

2.1 is more than just a firmware update, it's also an OS upgrade. And I can help answer your last question by asking why isn't the iPhone 3G going to get multitasking when iPhone OS 4.0 comes out? More than likely, it's the fact that her device is considered lower end (less processing power / memory) and so will not be released with 2.1 immediately (or never in some cases). If your sister wanted the latest and greatest she should have bought the latest and greatest. In any case quite a few of the newer devices are on their way to 2.x so like I said, all FUD. And if not having speech to text capability is cause for concern then that's even more reason to research before buying.

Hmmm... I had about 90 apps on my iPhone and never experienced slow downs. I had a little bit over 40 on my Nexus One and had to delete them a few days ago because my "memory" was too low and had to delete some.

I have 70 apps on my Droid and I still have 62.25 mb of storage space left. I also experience no slowdowns. The n1 has twice as much app storage memory as the Droid so its extremely difficult for me to believe 40 apps are causing you to run out of space. Of your claim is accurate, then most likely your phone has issues or you have a misbehaving app.

Yes, I am a member of everyone of the "top" iPhone forums and slowdowns isn't a popular topic bro. Not sure which ones you're going through to see that. Also, the point was that it was a lot more of those issues with Android (even with the snapdragon processor that I have).

This is where I got my info from, Apples own iPhone 3gs forum:

Search for 'sluggish' or 'slow performance'.

"I hardly if ever get slowdowns", but maybe it's because of the rom you're using :rolleyes:

Well the ROM is nice, I'll admit, but it's really only vanilla 2.1 with some added hacks like the youtube hq hack (nothing to do with performance). I had no issues with 2.01 either so it's definitely not the rom.

User error... awesome response. I think we both know user error isn't the case with me, but nice try. It was cute actually.

I beta test for a lot of apps and use all different platforms as I have a couple BlackBerry devices, 3Gs, Pre & Nexus. User error isn't an option. I'm sure my experience with phones is a little bit above average to be user error.

Considering what you wrote in this thread, I have my doubts.

[Duvi]

Ah, but the nature of the reason is what matters to Android power users and is the reason why I'll never own another Apple product.

I think the point keeps eluding you or you're purposely avoiding it. You laughed about someone needing to jailbreak for things and yet you're using custom roms/rooting for other things (may not be the same as iPhone users). That is being hypocritical. I will not revisit this part of the debate. If you'd like to, be my guest.

LOL!! This is a totally subjective matter my friend. JD Power or any survey for that matter wouldn't change the mind of the happy corporate user who relies on his Blackberry for email, an area where Android and the iPhone both need some work. Personally I hate blackberries, but that's just my opinion. Same applies to any other user. For me, right now, Android is the best OS and I've had the opportunity to use them all. So JD Power can s**K it!

You missed the graph I posted? That's not subjective, it's a fact! More people are satisfied with their iPhone and by far -- above average. And how did this switch from Android vs. iPhone to BlackBerry vs. iPhone?

Really? What do you like about it?

Likes:

• Google Voice intergration: The option to dial out with Voice is sweet or even prompt to which one you'd like to dial out is awesome
• Customizable beyond belief: I've already use 3 types of keyboards
• Notifications: The iPhone really need to step up in this category. I've been told (already) that they like this phone as I respond quicker and I don't seem to respond more than a couple minutes later
• Screen: As I mentioned before, it's a beauty and I love looking at it. I actually rather sacrifice battery life to get to see how awesome it is with the brightness up
• Android Market: It's not on the iPhone's level, but every app I use on the iPhone seems to be there or one similar.
• Widgets: Omg... I'm addicted to them now

Ah yes, this is where not having a hardware keyboard sucks. On my Droid, I simply slide open the keyboard, hold the shift key and drag my finger across the text to be copied, that's all. It gets copied to the clipboard at that point and I can then paste it wherever. Unless someone with a n1 can chime in (or there's a third party app to help), I don't know if this is possible with the software keyboard. So Android has the capability, it's just that HTC might have dropped the ball on that one. Notice I said 'might'. There could be a workaround for this.

Thanks for helping with my point... You have to slide your hardware keyboard out to do this. I question if you've used an iPhone extensively to see even then, it's easier on the iPhone. I can double tap a word, it will highlight that word and then I can use the start/end points to select as much text as I'd like.

For devices without physical keyboards, it is even harder to copy and paste on android.

It wouldn't make a difference really. The third party apps I've got installed on my Droid work beautifully. And I care more about function, not polish.

Where I'll admit the iPhone has the edge for now is in 3d games.

So you'd rather have function and not function & polish at the same time?

Twitter apps? Facebook? IM apps? Games? Those are the most in demand (and I'm going to take a guess that you either don't use them or they are good enough for you). None of the best of each of those is even near the iPhone. Feature (function) wise, quality and "polish" (as you call it).

What difference does it make whether it's an app or a skin? If it useless to me, it's still useless.

Why are you complaining about being subjective again

Fact: A skin isn't an app.
Fact: An app may be useless to me/you, but it may not be to the next person.

I'm tired of searching for "Apps" and having skins and things pop up that aren't APPS!

I don't use Yahoo, lol. I could care less about that crappy email service. I get exchange and my Gmail both pushed reliably. So I'm very satisfied, but you are right Duvi. I can't really argue too much about it. I realize other users don't have/use Gmail and may want a good experience when using email as they would when using a gmail account.

I'm going to "lol" as well. I also fixed your statement. I know you didn't want to admit it.

2.1 is more than just a firmware update, it's also an OS upgrade. And I can help answer your last question by asking why isn't the iPhone 3G going to get multitasking when iPhone OS 4.0 comes out? More than likely, it's the fact that her device is considered lower end (less processing power / memory) and so will not be released with 2.1 immediately (or never in some cases). If your sister wanted the latest and greatest she should have bought the latest and greatest. In any case quite a few of the newer devices are on their way to 2.x so like I said, all FUD. And if not having speech to text capability is cause for concern then that's even more reason to research before buying.

You may want to re-read. I stated that it was recently released; maybe a month ago! It doesn't mean she isn't getting 2.1 either, that is one of the main reasons why Android has this fragmentation issue. She has to wait for her legit 2.1 update. How would research go a long way when speech to text wasn't what she wanted/needed in a phone. She just saw it on my phone and wanted the same capabilities.

Are you even sure what you're talking about anymore? The 3G is getting the update, just not multitasking. Therefore the only thing being left out is what the hardware can't handle. This is different from hardware (her device) that can handle it, but hasn't received the update yet!

I have 70 apps on my Droid and I still have 62.25 mb of storage space left. I also experience no slowdowns. The n1 has twice as much app storage memory as the Droid so its extremely difficult for me to believe 40 apps are causing you to run out of space. Of your claim is accurate, then most likely your phone has issues or you have a misbehaving app.

No it's not my phone or apps misbehaving. I apps that used a lot of memory, Google Earth being one of them with over 20MB (forgot the exact number). This is also something else I will not visit. I've never had that issue on my iPhone as it currently has 1.41GB worth of apps. This is after deleting a lot of them.

This is where I got my info from, Apples own iPhone 3gs forum:

Search for 'sluggish' or 'slow performance'.

I really don't think you're reading what I say... Once again, and for the last time, I stated that there are MORE of these concerns with Android. The first bit of advice I got or anyone new gets on the Android platform seems to be to d/l "Advanced Task Killer". This isn't the first thing you see being stated in iPhone forums.

Well the ROM is nice, I'll admit, but it's really only vanilla 2.1 with some added hacks like the youtube hq hack (nothing to do with performance). I had no issues with 2.01 either so it's definitely not the rom.

It doesn't matter, it's not stock. I don't care how close to stock it is. The majority of end users aren't going to root/unroot and add customer roms to their device.

I would also like for you to stop fibbing online. Here is a quote from the droidforums. Maybe it's someone else with the same name :o

Running 1000mhz low voltage (adamz kernel). Flawless so far but that's the limit for me.

Considering what you wrote in this thread, I have my doubts.

Considering what you've written, I have my doubts that you fully read what I wrote or that I can believe anything you say. Guess that's why you questioned the validity of my posts, you were guilty of not having any in yours.

[darreno1]

I think the point keeps eluding you or you're purposely avoiding it. You laughed about someone needing to jailbreak for things and yet you're using custom roms/rooting for other things (may not be the same as iPhone users). That is being hypocritical. I will not revisit this part of the debate. If you'd like to, be my guest.

I didn't say someone needed to jailbreak for 'things'. I was very specific, stop trying to twist what I said to prove your pointless point.

You missed the graph I posted? That's not subjective, it's a fact! More people are satisfied with their iPhone and by far -- above average. And how did this switch from Android vs. iPhone to BlackBerry vs. iPhone?

And that still doesn't mean iPhone OS is 'better'. You still don't get it and probably never will from the looks of things.

Thanks for helping with my point... You have to slide your hardware keyboard out to do this. I question if you've used an iPhone extensively to see even then, it's easier on the iPhone. I can double tap a word, it will highlight that word and then I can use the start/end points to select as much text as I'd like.

For devices without physical keyboards, it is even harder to copy and paste on android.

Wow, you act like sliding out a keyboard is a big deal. I slide and drag my fingers across the text and that's it. No need to tap or adjust start and end points. Yes I've used the iPhone's copy and paste and I'm quicker on the Droid most of the time. I'm also not sure how I helped your point. My Droid can do exactly what you have trouble doing on your N1. Not my problem.

I agree with your last statement though. It is a little more difficult without a physical keyboard and hopefully the companies that choose to leave them out take note.

So you'd rather have function and not function & polish at the same time?

I said I prefer function over polish. Where did I say I wouldn't like both at the same time? If the apps works for me, great. If it isn't polished I'll still have no issues with it. If it is, great but meh....not a big deal.

Twitter apps? Facebook? IM apps? Games? Those are the most in demand (and I'm going to take a guess that you either don't use them or they are good enough for you). None of the best of each of those is even near the iPhone. Feature (function) wise, quality and "polish" (as you call it). [/COLOR]

I use my Droid mostly for work and the games I have installed on it are good enough for the time I need a little entertainment. It's my music device and I use it for videos and web browsing. I don't twitter, use facebook or IM. Not my thing. And what makes you think those are the most in demand? Yeah some people actually use their phone for other things besides chatting and farting around all day on facebook. That's about the least productive thing one can do with their smartphones IMO. Also if these social apps were important to me, I'd have probably gotten a Devour or Eris.

And you made my point with this comment:

Android Market: It's not on the iPhone's level, but every app I use on the iPhone seems to be there or one similar.

Why are you complaining about being subjective again

Fact: A skin isn't an app.
Fact: An app may be useless to me/you, but it may not be to the next person.

I'm tired of searching for "Apps" and having skins and things pop up that aren't APPS!

And when I had my iPhone I was tired of searching for "useful Apps' and having other useless apps come up. I still fail to see your point. And a skin may be useless to you but not to someone else.

If you are arguing that the Market can be better organized, I'm with you, but don't tell me one has more useful stuff than the other.

I realize other users don't have/use Gmail and may want a good experience when using email as they would when using a gmail account.

There are many people with other email accounts besides Gmail that have no issues. I've set up several pop accounts on other Droids and the users have had no complaints as of yet.

You may want to re-read. I stated that it was recently released; maybe a month ago! It doesn't mean she isn't getting 2.1 either, that is one of the main reasons why Android has this fragmentation issue. She has to wait for her legit 2.1 update. How would research go a long way when speech to text wasn't what she wanted/needed in a phone. She just saw it on my phone and wanted the same capabilities.

Well she needs to be a little patient then and get a little more educated about Android and the various versions while she's at it. And a little research would have yielded the point that 2.1 is the latest OS and thus the most capable.

Are you even sure what you're talking about anymore? The 3G is getting the update, just not multitasking. Therefore the only thing being left out is what the hardware can't handle. This is different from hardware (her device) that can handle it, but hasn't received the update yet!

First you never said what device she has. Secondly if she wanted 2.1 she should have bought a device with 2.1 simple. No one to blame here.

No it's not my phone or apps misbehaving. I apps that used a lot of memory, Google Earth being one of them with over 20MB (forgot the exact number). This is also something else I will not visit. I've never had that issue on my iPhone as it currently has 1.41GB worth of apps. This is after deleting a lot of them.

I have Google earth as well. You know there are people with well over 100 apps and no issues right? Seems to me you're just making stuff up and excuses as you go along. Why don't you list the apps that are supposedly gobbling so much memory on your phone?

I really don't think you're reading what I say... Once again, and for the last time, I stated that there are MORE of these concerns with Android. The first bit of advice I got or anyone new gets on the Android platform seems to be to d/l "Advanced Task Killer". This isn't the first thing you see being stated in iPhone forums.

Please quit backpedaling. You were saying that you hardly see this on the iPhone forums and I provided you with a link with tons of complaints, that's all.

Yes some of the 'weaker' Android phones like the Eris and Hero do get laggy as more apps are run on them. But that's a direct result of their limited memory/ processing power. Similar to the iPhone 3g. I had one and it would get very laggy as the day progressed and I switched back and forth between browsing, email etc.

The higher end Android phones however hardly suffer from this and many of of the people running task killers are doing it mostly out of hearsay and ignorance. Considering how many apps I run at one a day, if lag was a normal occurrence, I'd have it daily.

It doesn't matter, it's not stock. I don't care how close to stock it is. The majority of end users aren't going to root/unroot and add customer roms to their device.

Please, you have no idea what you're talking about. I was running 2.01 with more apps just fine.

I would also like for you to stop fibbing online. Here is a quote from the droidforums. Maybe it's someone else with the same name :o[/COLOR]

Nice try, but just more proof you have no idea what you're talking about. The BB rom DOES NOT OVERCLOCK so I was not fibbing. It's basically vanilla 2.1 with just hacks added.

Adamz kernel is what allows one to overclock using set cpu and I never said anywhere I wasn't overclocked. And I'll repeat, with 2.01 I had no slowdowns. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want even more performance out of my phone.

Considering what you've written, I have my doubts that you fully read what I wrote or that I can believe anything you say. Guess that's why you questioned the validity of my posts, you were guilty of not having any in yours.

I question the validity of your posts because you keep backpedaling and making assumptions about things you have no idea about.

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So, please change "for things" into "to change your wallpaper". Even though I changed the word, it's not going to change that fact that you're a hypocrit.

Just in case you don't have a dictionary near you, here is the definition of the word "thing" in which you can see it is pretty much the same sentence as 'changing your wallpaper' is a 'thing'.



I am pretty much done responding. Maybe you're not lying on purpose and just maybe you're not changing things around purposely, but either way, it is becoming a waste of my time.

You installed a rom, but it wasn't for performance Okay, I would ask what your reasoning was, but I really don't care nor do I want to continue with someone who lies (whether it's intentional or not).

Enjoy being ignored & good day to you!

I didn't say someone needed to jailbreak for 'things'. I was very specific, stop trying to twist what I said to prove your pointless point.


And that still doesn't mean iPhone OS is 'better'. You still don't get it and probably never will from the looks of things.



Wow, you act like sliding out a keyboard is a big deal. I slide and drag my fingers across the text and that's it. No need to tap or adjust start and end points. Yes I've used the iPhone's copy and paste and I'm quicker on the Droid most of the time. I'm also not sure how I helped your point. My Droid can do exactly what you have trouble doing on your N1. Not my problem.

I agree with your last statement though. It is a little more difficult without a physical keyboard and hopefully the companies that choose to leave them out take note.



I said I prefer function over polish. Where did I say I wouldn't like both at the same time? If the apps works for me, great. If it isn't polished I'll still have no issues with it. If it is, great but meh....not a big deal.



I use my Droid mostly for work and the games I have installed on it are good enough for the time I need a little entertainment. It's my music device and I use it for videos and web browsing. I don't twitter, use facebook or IM. Not my thing. And what makes you think those are the most in demand? Yeah some people actually use their phone for other things besides chatting and farting around all day on facebook. That's about the least productive thing one can do with their smartphones IMO. Also if these social apps were important to me, I'd have probably gotten a Devour or Eris.

And you made my point with this comment:



And when I had my iPhone I was tired of searching for "useful Apps' and having other useless apps come up. I still fail to see your point. And a skin may be useless to you but not to someone else.

If you are arguing that the Market can be better organized, I'm with you, but don't tell me one has more useful stuff than the other.



There are many people with other email accounts besides Gmail that have no issues. I've set up several pop accounts on other Droids and the users have had no complaints as of yet.



Well she needs to be a little patient then and get a little more educated about Android and the various versions while she's at it. And a little research would have yielded the point that 2.1 is the latest OS and thus the most capable.



First you never said what device she has. Secondly if she wanted 2.1 she should have bought a device with 2.1 simple. No one to blame here.



I have Google earth as well. You know there are people with well over 100 apps and no issues right? Seems to me you're just making stuff up and excuses as you go along. Why don't you list the apps that are supposedly gobbling so much memory on your phone?



Please quit backpedaling. You were saying that you hardly see this on the iPhone forums and I provided you with a link with tons of complaints, that's all.

Yes some of the 'weaker' Android phones like the Eris and Hero do get laggy as more apps are run on them. But that's a direct result of their limited memory/ processing power. Similar to the iPhone 3g. I had one and it would get very laggy as the day progressed and I switched back and forth between browsing, email etc.

The higher end Android phones however hardly suffer from this and many of of the people running task killers are doing it mostly out of hearsay and ignorance. Considering how many apps I run at one a day, if lag was a normal occurrence, I'd have it daily.



Please, you have no idea what you're talking about. I was running 2.01 with more apps just fine.



Nice try, but just more proof you have no idea what you're talking about. The BB rom DOES NOT OVERCLOCK so I was not fibbing. It's basically vanilla 2.1 with just hacks added.

Adamz kernel is what allows one to overclock using set cpu and I never said anywhere I wasn't overclocked. And I'll repeat, with 2.01 I had no slowdowns. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want even more performance out of my phone.



I question the validity of your posts because you keep backpedaling and making assumptions about things you have no idea about.