[vernotzy21]

Basically I wanna know if we could take z4root add zurg rush and if that didn't work have the app cut out and replace code basically there has to be a way to use Android against "them " so they stop patching our root.... it would be a grass roots movement
then maybe one apk could root them all! (without a pc)
Idk its a idea

[Buddlespit]

Basically I wanna know if we could take z4root add zurg rush and if that didn't work have the app cut out and replace code basically there has to be a way to use Android against "them " so they stop patching our root.... it would be a grass roots movement
then maybe one apk could root them all! (without a pc)
Idk its a idea

It's very dry reading, but informative:

[Va1ha11a]

so to make sure I understand this, you want a one-click root app for your phone.

[drewwalton19216801]

Basically I wanna know if we could take z4root add zurg rush and if that didn't work have the app cut out and replace code basically there has to be a way to use Android against "them " so they stop patching our root.... it would be a grass roots movement
then maybe one apk could root them all! (without a pc)
Idk its a idea

Once an exploit has been patched, the exploit code won't work. Period.

I'm working on a couple of concepts that may solve the issue of OTA updates patching root exploits. It's possible that none of these will see the light of day.

1) Remove the signature verification from stock recovery, allowing it to flash unsigned update.zips.
2) Run stock recovery from CWMT Recovery, allowing you to flash updates and upgrade radios while keeping custom recovery. This is most likely to work.

[Buddlespit]

Huh... my reading comprehension must be lacking this week.... I took it to mean that he wanted a way to make Sprint/LG stop patching the exploits.

[drewwalton19216801]

Huh... my reading comprehension must be lacking this week.... I took it to mean that he wanted a way to make Sprint/LG stop patching the exploits.

That is what he meant (I think) but z4root and zergrush won't help. And you can't "cut out and replace code" in a running system.

Plain and simple, you can't stop them from patching root exploits. They view them as security holes which isn't wrong.

[vernotzy21]

Yes but sorta kinda if the exploit didn't work the app should cut out then replace the system files I'm not sure what that entails maybe
one time on my brothers HTC Eco 4g I couldn't get the stock Rom to root or get the hboot
To unlock so I used the revoked 1 click root /Rom recovery
the program would not root/recovery so I flashed a custom Rom without unlocking the bootloader and it worked after that rooting/recovery was a snap

I know it doesn't make any sense but it worked
So I got to thinking if you can't defeat you opponent because
of his weakness, earn victory by making him pay for his strengths

Thus my rough idea of "if you poison my arm I will cut it off a replace a new one"

[vernotzy21]

I hope that makes sense

[Buddlespit]

That is what he meant (I think) but z4root and zergrush won't help. And you can't "cut out and replace code" in a running system.

Plain and simple, you can't stop them from patching root exploits. They view them as security holes which isn't wrong.

Ya, I thought so. I don't feel so silly for posting that PDF anymore.

[vernotzy21]

Once a device is sold that's it,its paid for and as the PDF buddlespit posted says there is no commercial value in supplying constant patches how come they wont let us use OUR devices to their full potential?....I thought the nazi regime ended with ww2?
I see no reason for this action.
if anything they should be encouraging people to brick their devices
To they could charge yet another service fee

[vernotzy21]

What about a flashable root.zip with the same concept maybe one for ics and one for gb
oh wait would need custom recovery first.....grrr

[vernotzy21]

How about forging updates to make stock recovery think its official?

[drewwalton19216801]

How about forging updates to make stock recovery think its official?

Have fun with that...

You'll need someone to leak the official signing key. Or somehow reverse-engineer it...

[Va1ha11a]

Yes but sorta kinda if the exploit didn't work the app should cut out then replace the system files I'm not sure what that entails maybe
one time on my brothers HTC Eco 4g I couldn't get the stock Rom to root or get the hboot
To unlock so I used the revoked 1 click root /Rom recovery
the program would not root/recovery so I flashed a custom Rom without unlocking the bootloader and it worked after that rooting/recovery was a snap

I know it doesn't make any sense but it worked
So I got to thinking if you can't defeat you opponent because
of his weakness, earn victory by making him pay for his strengths

Thus my rough idea of "if you poison my arm I will cut it off a replace a new one"

I'm sorry, but what are you saying exactly?

Once a device is sold that's it,its paid for and as the PDF buddlespit posted says there is no commercial value in supplying constant patches how come they wont let us use OUR devices to their full potential?....I thought the nazi regime ended with ww2?
I see no reason for this action.
if anything they should be encouraging people to brick their devices
To they could charge yet another service fee

Reason for updates? Here's the scenario:
1. You're sitting on a bench at a bus stop. I'm a phone thief sitting next to you. When you aren't looking, I take your phone, and than leave a few minutes later.
2. I take your phone to my secret underground fortress, use my pc to root it, than bypass your lockscreen using root permissions.
3. Suddenly, things aren't looking so good for you. I have access to your contact list, messages, calls, gmail, email, facebook, google wallet, password manager app, photos, etc.
4.Now, I can steal your identity, pay for things with your credit card, post embarrassing/illegal things on your facebook, email people malware from your address, stalk your friends, make calls and texts from your phone.
5. Sure, you can report the phone as stolen, and Sprint can mark the ESN as bad,but I've still just hacked your life. If I've been thorough, I've changed your passwords, and you can't get anything back in the way of accounts. Imagine starting from scratch.
6. Now think: If you'd just accepted that bug-fix/security patch update from your carrier, your life would never have been run off the tracks.
7. For us geeks, rooting is fun and well worth the risk, and with CM9's root access setting, a bit safer, but for the average joe, rooting can well be like sharing a hot tub with an angry hippopotamus.

[Va1ha11a]

Have fun with that...

You'll need someone to leak the official signing key. Or somehow reverse-engineer it...

Isn't that also illegal? (Not like making ROMs, as in minor illegal that LG allows because it brings in users, but as in major illegal?) Plus, do you really want somebody with the power to send out updates to everyone with this phone. Sounds like a one-way ticket to malware to me.

[aaronrw]

UHH, should I be rooted? LOL good post !!!!!!

[drewwalton19216801]

Isn't that also illegal? (Not like making ROMs, as in minor illegal that LG allows because it brings in users, but as in major illegal?) Plus, do you really want somebody with the power to send out updates to everyone with this phone. Sounds like a one-way ticket to malware to me.

Yes it is. I was simply making the point that the only way (currently) to flash update files through stock recovery is if they're signed officially which we can't do.

[Seditec]

That kinda makes me wanna restock my phone and update to zvj that's a scary concept.

[prowlingfox]

from LS670ZVJ Update Coming 4/4

With all the zvh flaws, and than adding in the radio mismatch, it seems like running a zvh ROM on zvj would be like going from having a live hippo in your basement to having a dead hippo in your basement.

LOL. Alright, who wants to start the "Save the Hippos Fund" to get ROMs ported to ZVJ when it drops?

I now fully expect Save the Hippos branding and logos on all the ROM threads, as well as an optional hippopotamus-based bootanimation for each ZVJ ROM.

Oh yes! Here's my concept for the boot animation:

A cyan hippo eating the scrolling dots of the text "Loading...." like they are marbles, a la a certain high-speed board game. (Sorry, Lloyd.)

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but for the average joe, rooting can well be like sharing a hot tub with an angry hippopotamus.

Why do I get the feeling this is never going to go away?

[vernotzy21]

1.Wait a min if reverse engineering the signing code is illegal wouldn't WINE be as well?
Isn't that like the same thing?
2.it was my understanding that after rooting and reflashing a custom Rom OTA updates/patches our invalid....so what does it matter?
3.if I ever sat my phone down long enough at the bus stop....WA! Man that dude must be the devil!
3.........do hippos float......I think they scare me

[vernotzy21]

I can see it now "hippo rom " .....if anyone makes it I would die laughing and buy you a xmas present.............only coal if no flash!
It should be based off ics!

[prowlingfox]

I can see it now "hippo rom " .....if anyone makes it I would die laughing and buy you a xmas present.............only coal if no flash!
It should be based off ics!

Except it would have to be ZVJ in order to be hippopotamus-based...so probably no ics.... ;D hahaha

[vernotzy21]

This is why I like this community

[Va1ha11a]

from LS670ZVJ Update Coming 4/4





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Why do I get the feeling this is never going to go away?

Because it's still funny! Imagine the number of jokes that you could make using a hippo! I'm working on a hippo Bootanim for fun, but I'm no code legend, so IDK what will happen.

It started out as something random I said to make epi and aaron laugh. Now it's evolved into a running joke. It'll go away when I run out of ideas of interesting ways to throw it in there.