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  1. Thread Author  Thread Author    #1  

    Default Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    Most would agree that the X2 needs a better camera then the X. I wanted to start my comparing the arguable best 2 cell phone camera's on the market.

    Lumia 1020
    1.12 m pixels
    8.8 mm 6.6 mm sensor size
    7712  5360 pixels
    41.3 MP
    10.4mm Phone Thickness

    Apple iPhone 5s
    1.5 m pixels
    4.89mm x 3.67 mm sensor size
    3264 x 2448 pixels
    8 MP
    7.6mm Phone Thickness

    The Moto X has 1.4 m pixels and a total 10.5 MP. The Moto X has the same thickness as the Lumia 1020 (10.4mm). Since a larger sensor size leads to a thicker camera and correspondingly thicker phone, the Moto X2 could sport a sensor as large and similar optics to the 1020 and not get any thicker.


    Possible Moto X2 camera sensors:
    Focus on larger sensor: 8.8 mm 6.6 mm sensor size

    2m pixels
    4400 x 3300
    14.5 MP

    2.2m pixels
    4000 x 3000
    12MP

    1.5 m pixels
    5867 x 4400
    25.8 MP

    1.35 m pixels
    6528 x 4889
    32 MP


    Personally I think the 2m 14.5 MP approach would be the best.

    I don't know if Samsung's ISOCELL technology will pan out to be as great as they say it is. Also I don't know if it would be helpful with larger pixels. It may be great if Samsung could produce one of these sensors with ISOCELL.

    Of course these numbers are just simple calculations based on a large sensor. A great camera relies on just more then a good sensor.
    Last edited by NotJustAPhone; 04-01-2014 at 11:08 PM.
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the X2

    Camera held me back from the original moto x and like it did with the htc one, if the x2 camera is sub par once again, moto will lose out on me as a customer. A poor camera should not be acceptable in this day and age, and not sure why moto and htc seem to struggle in this department. Heres to hoping for a much improved camera, with similar size and a little bumped up internals this time around.
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the X2

    Well any of the sensors above would pretty much blow anything else on the market out of the water. Going with 2+m pixels and a sensor as large as the 1020 would reduce the computational overhead the 1020 faces. With 12+ MP there is no problem with spacial resolution as in the HTC One. The benefits of the RBGC did not seem to pan out with the original X. Going back to a proven approach may be the way to go.

    One of these sensors and a reasonable spec bump and the Moto X2 could be a major player. I think there are a LOT of people clamoring for a GREAT cell phone camera.
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the X2

    And of course I overlooked the Sony Z2, which has shown you can have an even larger sensor with a slimmer form factor:

    Z2
    6.17 x 4.55mm
    1.176m pixels
    5248 x 3936
    20.7 MP

    Just hoping for a very large sensor with large pixels.
    Last edited by Eli_C; 04-27-2014 at 11:58 AM. Reason: wrong info on z2 specs
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the X2

    I've had a lot of Motorola phones through the years and they all had excellent radios in them, but they all had subpar cameras. Sadly, the Moto X is no exception. I don't understand how Motorola can excel so consistently in one area but fall by the wayside in another. The only thing I will say is the camera in the Moto X is much better than the one in the Atrix, but the Atrix had an incredibly awful camera in it so that's not saying much. I know too many people who crossed the Moto X off their list because of the camera. More and more people rely on the phone in their pocket to take pictures on the fly, and like it or not it's a factor in sales. It's the only thing about the current Moto X that disappoints me, and a great camera in the X2 could make it a serious best seller.
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the X2

    What do others think of multiple sensors, such as the One M8? Is it just a gimmick?

    What about additional sensors that had infra-red or uv capabilities?

    What about sensors with different f-stops to allow for better pictures in BOTH low light and bright conditions?
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    Moto does not do cameras......
    Quote Originally Posted by Eli_C View Post
    Most would agree that the X2 needs a better camera then the X. I wanted to start my comparing the arguable best 2 cell phone camera's on the market.

    Lumia 1020
    1.12 m pixels
    8.8 mm 6.6 mm sensor size
    7712  5360 pixels
    41.3 MP
    10.4mm Phone Thickness

    Apple iPhone 5s
    1.5 m pixels
    4.89mm x 3.67 mm sensor size
    3264 x 2448 pixels
    8 MP
    7.6mm Phone Thickness

    The Moto X has 1.4 m pixels and a total 10.5 MP. The Moto X has the same thickness as the Lumia 1020 (10.4mm). Since a larger sensor size leads to a thicker camera and correspondingly thicker phone, the Moto X2 could sport a sensor as large and similar optics to the 1020 and not get any thicker.


    Possible Moto X2 camera sensors:
    Focus on larger sensor: 8.8 mm 6.6 mm sensor size

    2m pixels
    4400 x 3300
    14.5 MP

    2.2m pixels
    4000 x 3000
    12MP

    1.5 m pixels
    5867 x 4400
    25.8 MP

    1.35 m pixels
    6528 x 4889
    32 MP


    Personally I think the 2m 14.5 MP approach would be the best.

    I don't know if Samsung's ISOCELL technology will pan out to be as great as they say it is. Also I don't know if it would be helpful with larger pixels. It may be great if Samsung could produce one of these sensors with ISOCELL.

    Of course these numbers are just simple calculations based on a large sensor. A great camera relies on just more then a good sensor.
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    Quote Originally Posted by thegrants82 View Post
    Moto does not do cameras......
    No, they don't make cameras or sensors, just like Apple, Nokia, HTC, etc., don't make cameras or sensors. However they do have to select one for the X2 as well as the optics, etc...

    Hopefully they use a great large sensor with large pixels and pair it with the best possible optics, flash, etc...

    Maybe they will also have multiple sensors... who knows.
    Last edited by Eli_C; 04-16-2014 at 11:51 AM.
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    More of a google project:
    Project Ara teardown: specs and features explain how phone works | BGR

    They are using this as one of the sensors:
    OmniVision

    4MP with 2um pixels with IR capabilities, would make an interesting second sensor to go with a primary large sensor
    Last edited by Eli_C; 05-03-2014 at 09:56 PM.
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    Disappointed to see them putting the flash right next to the lens, ideally it should be on the other end of the phone.

    Would be nice to see one or more laser focus points like the G3 and/or a second camera, like the M8 (though it should be further away from the primary camera).
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    Quote Originally Posted by Eli_C View Post
    Disappointed to see them putting the flash right next to the lens, ideally it should be on the other end of the phone.

    Would be nice to see one or more laser focus points like the G3 and/or a second camera, like the M8 (though it should be further away from the primary camera).
    I have been using moto for years and they drop the ball on the camera very single time.........it's never good.

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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    The Moto x has been my all time favorite phone, but I sold it quickly solely due to the camera. I have two little kids so the camera is important to me.

    Posted via Android Central App
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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    I love the moto x but won't touch it again until I read camera reviews.

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    Default Re: Dreaming of a better camera for the Moto X2

    Quote Originally Posted by thegrants82 View Post
    I love the moto x but won't touch it again until I read camera reviews.

    Posted via Android Central App
    These are exactly my thoughts. Right now, the X+1 will be my next phone unless the camera isn't very good. If that's the case, I'll look elsewhere.

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