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  1. spawndoodling's Avatar
    I just wish Google would make stock Android easier to use for those who are not tech savvy. I absolutely do not subscribe to the farce that is "the iPhone and IOS are user-friendly" because I don't believe that it is any more easier to use than Android, Windows Phone, and even Blackberry.

    Rather, I think that Android attracts so many first time smartphone buyers thanks to good price points that it's time to really embrace the ideas of stock tutorials and layouts that are more user friendly (e.g. The camera app, for one thing). I've long stopped using TouchWiz, but that's absolutely something Samsung has gotten right with their skin.

    My mother can barely use Windows and shes been interacting with it for decades. There's still a strong segment of people who have a higher learning curve for technology, and Google really needs to cater to these people better with stock. I think more manufacturers would be willing to embrace stock if it was easier to use for first timers (could prove beneficial on lower end devices that sell less for the sake of features than for price points), and I think Android would have a better shot at maintaining first time smartphone buyers in the long run when it's time to renew their contract.

    Of course this is merely an observation and I have had little difficulties getting adjusted to the nuances of Android since switching from Windows Phone/Blackberry last year myself, but I do believe it's something Google needs to consider with stock (and hopefully, the Moto X will work to address this as well).

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    07-03-2013 06:55 PM
  2. return_0's Avatar
    I just wish Google would make stock Android easier to use for those who are not tech savvy. I absolutely do not subscribe to the farce that is "the iPhone and IOS are user-friendly" because I don't believe that it is any more easier to use than Android, Windows Phone, and even Blackberry.

    Rather, I think that Android attracts so many first time smartphone buyers thanks to good price points that it's time to really embrace the ideas of stock tutorials and layouts that are more user friendly (e.g. The camera app, for one thing). I've long stopped using TouchWiz, but that's absolutely something Samsung has gotten right with their skin.

    My mother can barely use Windows and shes been interacting with it for decades. There's still a strong segment of people who have a higher learning curve for technology, and Google really needs to cater to these people better with stock. I think more manufacturers would be willing to embrace stock if it was easier to use for first timers (could prove beneficial on lower end devices that sell less for the sake of features than for price points), and I think Android would have a better shot at maintaining first time smartphone buyers in the long run when it's time to renew their contract.

    Of course this is merely an observation and I have had little difficulties getting adjusted to the nuances of Android since switching from Windows Phone/Blackberry last year myself, but I do believe it's something Google needs to consider with stock (and hopefully, the Moto X will work to address this as well).

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    My grandmother still has difficulty using a computer but easily picked up her N7.

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    07-03-2013 06:58 PM
  3. Ry's Avatar
    I just wish Google would make stock Android easier to use for those who are not tech savvy. I absolutely do not subscribe to the farce that is "the iPhone and IOS are user-friendly" because I don't believe that it is any more easier to use than Android, Windows Phone, and even Blackberry.

    Rather, I think that Android attracts so many first time smartphone buyers thanks to good price points that it's time to really embrace the ideas of stock tutorials and layouts that are more user friendly (e.g. The camera app, for one thing). I've long stopped using TouchWiz, but that's absolutely something Samsung has gotten right with their skin.

    My mother can barely use Windows and shes been interacting with it for decades. There's still a strong segment of people who have a higher learning curve for technology, and Google really needs to cater to these people better with stock. I think more manufacturers would be willing to embrace stock if it was easier to use for first timers (could prove beneficial on lower end devices that sell less for the sake of features than for price points), and I think Android would have a better shot at maintaining first time smartphone buyers in the long run when it's time to renew their contract.

    Of course this is merely an observation and I have had little difficulties getting adjusted to the nuances of Android since switching from Windows Phone/Blackberry last year myself, but I do believe it's something Google needs to consider with stock (and hopefully, the Moto X will work to address this as well).

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    People will then equate easy for less featured or limited. And the hardcore fans of Android will hate that and say the iPhone sucks and they don't want Android becoming like the iPhone.

    I don't buy into the price point argument because there's been an iPhone at free, $100, and $200 on-contract for years now.

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    07-03-2013 07:16 PM
  4. return_0's Avatar
    People will then equate easy for less featured or limited. And the hardcore fans of Android will hate that and say the iPhone sucks and they don't want Android becoming like the iPhone.

    I don't buy into the price point argument because there's been an iPhone at free, $100, and $200 on-contract for years now.

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    And $649 unlocked. Compare $570 (HTC One, double the storage) and $349 (Nexus 4)

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    07-03-2013 07:30 PM
  5. JHBThree's Avatar
    And $649 unlocked. Compare $570 (HTC One, double the storage) and $349 (Nexus 4)

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    The number of people that buy handsets at those prices is tiny.

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    07-03-2013 07:31 PM
  6. return_0's Avatar
    The number of people that buy handsets at those prices is tiny.

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    But that's the real price of the phone. That's what should be compared.

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    07-03-2013 07:32 PM
  7. Ry's Avatar
    The number of people that buy handsets at those prices is tiny.

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    Exactly.

    The price that matters to consumers is the price that they pay.

    Most consumers pay the on-contract price. Full retail is nearly irrelevant.

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    07-03-2013 07:48 PM
  8. return_0's Avatar
    Exactly.

    The price that matters to consumers is the price that they pay.

    Most consumers pay the on-contract price. Full retail is nearly irrelevant.

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    Even so, the One is $100 cheaper than the iPhone on contract and the N4 is $200 cheaper.

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    07-03-2013 07:53 PM
  9. JHBThree's Avatar
    But that's the real price of the phone. That's what should be compared.

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    No it shouldn't. What should be compared is what consumers actually pay.

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    07-03-2013 09:14 PM
  10. JHBThree's Avatar
    Even so, the One is $100 cheaper than the iPhone on contract and the N4 is $200 cheaper.

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    The nexus is available on one carrier, so that's a nonstarter.

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    07-03-2013 09:15 PM
  11. return_0's Avatar
    The nexus is available on one carrier, so that's a nonstarter.

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    In the US, yes. Not only in the US.

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    07-03-2013 09:39 PM
  12. djw39's Avatar
    You can make a nexus device stutter easily. Just go into the app drawer and swipe through the apps until you get to the widget pages. Lag city.

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    My Optimus G with Nova launcher does not lag doing this. The widget icons aren't drawn the first time through, but the animations/frame rates remain smooth


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    07-04-2013 06:33 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    My Optimus G with Nova launcher does not lag doing this. The widget icons aren't drawn the first time through, but the animations/frame rates remain smooth


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    And the Optimus G is somehow a Nexus device?

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    07-04-2013 07:54 PM
  14. return_0's Avatar
    And the Options G is somehow a Nexus device?

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    Autocorrect strikes again

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    07-04-2013 08:04 PM
  15. djw39's Avatar
    And the Optimus G is somehow a Nexus device?

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    It is the exact same hardware as the Nexus 4. Are you saying that the manufacturer optimizations improve performance? I think it is more likely it is just a good graphics chip. And iOS devices also have good graphics performance because Apple has always pushed to get the most powerful graphics hardware available.

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    07-04-2013 09:47 PM
  16. JHBThree's Avatar
    It is the exact same hardware as the Nexus 4. Are you saying that the manufacturer optimizations improve performance? I think it is more likely it is just a good graphics chip. And iOS devices also have good graphics performance because Apple has always pushed to get the most powerful graphics hardware available.

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    What he's saying has absolutely nothing to do with the hardware and everything to do with the software. A phone running nova launcher is not the same as a nexus running stock.

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    07-04-2013 10:15 PM
  17. return_0's Avatar
    You can make a nexus device stutter easily. Just go into the app drawer and swipe through the apps until you get to the widget pages. Lag city.

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    Just tried it on my N4 using the stock launcher. I can honestly tell you that I experienced zero lag.

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    07-04-2013 10:59 PM
  18. JHBThree's Avatar
    Just tried it on my N4 using the stock launcher. I can honestly tell you that I experienced zero lag.

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    Its done it for me on every nexus device I've used.

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    07-05-2013 01:21 AM
  19. djw39's Avatar
    What he's saying has absolutely nothing to do with the hardware and everything to do with the software.
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    No. Neither LG nor the developer of Nova launcher has any kind of magical lag-killing software tweaks. The Nexus 4/Optimus G just has powerful hardware. This cannot be said of older Nexus devices.

    1) Lag on older and/or low cost devices indicates a problem with Android's performance on older/low cost devices
    2) A powerful new device can run Android perfectly fine whether it is a Nexus or not
    3) Some of Samsung's features appear to hurt the GS4's performance

    Agreed?

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    07-05-2013 06:48 AM
  20. Ry's Avatar
    No. Neither LG nor the developer of Nova launcher has any kind of magical lag-killing software tweaks. The Nexus 4/Optimus G just has powerful hardware. This cannot be said of older Nexus devices.

    1) Lag on older and/or low cost devices indicates a problem with Android's performance on older/low cost devices
    2) A powerful new device can run Android perfectly fine whether it is a Nexus or not
    3) Some of Samsung's features appear to hurt the GS4's performance

    Agreed?

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    Curious -

    Do you get the same results without Nova?

    Are you saying the hardware on the Nexus 7 is old and irrelevant? It's the current Nexus 7" tablet.
    07-05-2013 12:00 PM
  21. Pollster's Avatar
    My Optimus G with Nova launcher does not lag doing this. The widget icons aren't drawn the first time through, but the animations/frame rates remain smooth


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    And the Optimus G is somehow a Nexus device?

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    The Galaxy Nexus is, and I have zero lag doing this (on Nova Launcher)
    07-05-2013 12:52 PM
  22. Ry's Avatar
    The Galaxy Nexus is, and I have zero lag doing this (on Nova Launcher)
    And without Nova launcher?
    07-05-2013 01:02 PM
  23. JHBThree's Avatar
    No. Neither LG nor the developer of Nova launcher has any kind of magical lag-killing software tweaks. The Nexus 4/Optimus G just has powerful hardware. This cannot be said of older Nexus devices.

    1) Lag on older and/or low cost devices indicates a problem with Android's performance on older/low cost devices
    2) A powerful new device can run Android perfectly fine whether it is a Nexus or not
    3) Some of Samsung's features appear to hurt the GS4's performance

    Agreed?

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    No. Not agreed at all. Android still lags on powerful hardware. Especially in a specific place like the widget drawer. Other launchers are irrelevant to the discussion.

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    07-05-2013 01:13 PM
  24. mountainman's Avatar
    And back to the X phone..... Evleaks put out a post on twitter clarifying the model numbers......

    To clarify: DROID Ultra=XT1080, DROID MAXX=XT1080M, DROID Mini=XT1030, and Moto X=XT1060

    I am going to assume that the Droid phones were the leftovers in the pipeline, and the Moto X is the customizable brainchild of Google/Moto.
    07-05-2013 01:17 PM
  25. NoYankees44's Avatar
    I am going to laugh when there is absolutely nothing interesting about the fabled xphone. I guarantee it will be just a different variation of the upcoming droids that they will slap an x on.

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    07-05-2013 01:42 PM
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