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    Default Moto X: Camera Improvement Options

    I am about to buy a Moto X and with all the talk about the subpar stock camera, it would be nice to have all the photo improvement options in one spot for easy reference, at least until the rumored 4.4.2 improvements come out (please, no arguments about that update here, there is already a thread dealing with that - only dealing with what is currently available in here).

    Here is what I have found in this forum so far. Please add others or comment!

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    Snapseed can rectify all issues with this phone's photo taking ability.

    Also, Snapseed is an amazing app for photo editing (Google owned) for the Moto X and Droid Lines. I have found that making adjustments on the app works well. Also, snapseed is the only photo editing app that doesn't mess with the integrity of the photo. In otherwords, it doesn't downsample the size of the photo to enhance the quality (Changing the file size of the original photo from say 5mb to 1mb).

    In the latest camera app, auto-white balance can be manually adjusted. I uploaded a video for demo purposes.... but try to fix the auto-white and then take a photo. As you can see in the video, dragging the focus circle will help adjust the iso white balancing.

    Do you have HDR on? HDR is not meant to be used except in certain situations and not in low light and not with flash. If HDR is on in low lighting you will get exactly what you described.

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    Has anyone tried the Camera Awesome app? Someone recommended it on another thread and it gets good reviews.




    Yes, I downloaded it and I can say that especially in low light, the pictures come out much better.
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    All that said, this camera is capable of decent indoor shots. It actually did better indoors/low light on the original 4.2.2 software, but the newest updates bumps the ISO up to ridiculous levels. But the updates improved color reproduction, focus, sharpness, etc..., so its a trade-off.

    My solution: For fast outdoor, ideal lighting shots, I use the stock camera. Love the wrist flick action and the very simple interface. For indoor/low light shots, I use FV-5 camera from the Play Store ($3.95 but worth it). I gives you manual control over the ISO, exposure, WB, and some other settings. If you take your time, you can really get a nice indoor photo. I find dropping the ISO down to 200 or 400 to take out the graininess and bump the exposure up to brighten the photo up a bit works really well.
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    So for the apps I listed above that people have mentioned - Snapseed, Camera Awesome, and FV-5 Camera - can these be used together or is it a choice between one or the other? If you can only use one, does anyone have any comments comparing them?? Pretend I have no idea what any of them do.
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    In my personal experience, I also agree that FV-5 Camera as well as the Stock Camera are a good combination. However it's just hard for me personally to access the FV-5 Camera when at the flick of a wrist, the stock camera automatically appears for me to easily access the camera.

    I've tried SnapSeed and its definitely easier to use then my current app VSCO Cam. With VSCO Cam it does have some good settings but the problem is that it's all image dependent and you don't get titles like SnapSeed. SnapSeed also noticeably improves images but most image editors probably would do the same.

    I really hope someone finds out how to edit the flick wrist motion to work with other camera apps.
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    When I want quick picture and don't care about the quality too much, I use the stock camera with the twist gesture. When I want higher quality pics, I use Camera Awesome which has some good and easy to use features to fine tune your snapshots a bit more.
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    I used Camera Awesome before as well and making adjustments ISO and WB it did make a difference.
    However I had to manually make these changes everytime whenever closing/opening Camera Awesome before taking a picture.
    I like the camera gesture to open the stock camera so I have been back to just using it again, just using the auto-white balance feature turned on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnc View Post
    I used Camera Awesome before as well and making adjustments ISO and WB it did make a difference.
    However I had to manually make these changes everytime whenever closing/opening Camera Awesome before taking a picture.
    I like the camera gesture to open the stock camera so I have been back to just using it again, just using the auto-white balance feature turned on.
    Where is the auto white balance at?

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    I'm going to download snapseed again to be sure, but I though Google rolled Snapseed functionality into the Photos app.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmann202 View Post
    Snapseed can rectify all issues with this phone's photo taking ability.
    I don't agree with this. The problem I've seen with my Moto X when it comes to poor photo quality is extremely high ISO values in low-light conditions. No amount of post-processing can replace noise with useful information - unless you've got the same ENHANCE_IMAGE (TM) software that the forensics guys on CSI:Miami use.

    Also, Snapseed is an amazing app for photo editing (Google owned) for the Moto X and Droid Lines. I have found that making adjustments on the app works well. Also, snapseed is the only photo editing app that doesn't mess with the integrity of the photo. In otherwords, it doesn't downsample the size of the photo to enhance the quality (Changing the file size of the original photo from say 5mb to 1mb).
    PicSay Pro also lets you fiddle with images at their original resolution but it's not a free app like Snapseed.

    In the latest camera app, auto-white balance can be manually adjusted. I uploaded a video for demo purposes.... but try to fix the auto-white and then take a photo. As you can see in the video, dragging the focus circle will help adjust the iso white balancing.
    I've never tried this. Thanks for the tip! BTW, I think you meant "auto white balancing" and not "iso white balancing".

    I haven't tried the other camera apps you mentioned. I'm trying to stay as "stock" as possible and trying to reduce app redundancy on my X. Subjectively speaking, low-light indoor shots with automatic flash/exposure on my X rank a -1 on a scale of 1 to 10. If I take my time to fiddle with flash settings and exposure/focus circle placement, I can get a usable shot most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmark44 View Post
    I'm going to download snapseed again to be sure, but I though Google rolled Snapseed functionality into the Photos app.

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    From what I was able to find, only a small subset of Snapseed's features was available in the Photos app.
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    Are Snapseed and Camera Awesome only to manually adjust pictures after you take them, or can one or both of them improve the picture quality when you take the pic?

    Just trying to get this stuff straight so I am ready when my phone comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmann202 View Post
    Are Snapseed and Camera Awesome only to manually adjust pictures after you take them, or can one or both of them improve the picture quality when you take the pic?

    Just trying to get this stuff straight so I am ready when my phone comes.
    With Camera Awesome, you can make adjustments to improve the quality when you take the pics along with editing them after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clankfu View Post
    With Camera Awesome, you can make adjustments to improve the quality when you take the pics along with editing them after.
    Thanks. Anyone know how Camera Awesome compares with the FV-5 camera, for actually taking the pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clocks View Post
    Where is the auto white balance at?

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    For the stock camera in the settings. It looks like a little hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnc View Post
    For the stock camera in the settings. It looks like a little hand
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    I didn't realize "control & focus" was the same as white balance. I use that all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnc View Post
    For the stock camera in the settings. It looks like a little hand
    The cool thing about Camera Awesome is that you can set the focus and exposure in separate areas like this:

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    There are also separate settings to fine tune the white balance and ISO.
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    Controlling focus and exposure in the Motorola Camera app has been enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnc View Post
    For the stock camera in the settings. It looks like a little hand
    But can you separately adjust focus and exposure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cozume View Post
    But can you separately adjust focus and exposure?
    I don't think you can adjust them separately. But it works good enough for me.
    Also another reason I just went back to stock camera was for the camera gester.
    The Camera Awesome settings to adjust wouldn't stick so had to always adjust before taking a picture.
    Camera Awesome wouldn't work with the gester .
    So pictures took longer to setup and take over stock camera.
    I even had purchased Camera Awesome ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnc View Post
    I don't think you can adjust them separately. But it works good enough for me.
    Also another reason I just went back to stock camera was for the camera gester.
    The Camera Awesome settings to adjust wouldn't stick so had to always adjust before taking a picture.
    Camera Awesome wouldn't work with the gester .
    So pictures took longer to setup and take over stock camera.
    I even had purchased Camera Awesome ha.

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    That's why I'm using both. If I just want to snap a quick picture, I use the stock camera. If I want to fine tune things a bit more, I use Camera Awesome.
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    Very low indoor light at late afternoon/almost dusk. I'd say it was $3.95 well spent for low light and night photos. I would use stock camera app for daytime photos. FV-5 for night

    Moto X stock camera
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    App: FV-5 at ISO 400, AWB
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    Quote Originally Posted by V10MPower View Post
    Very low indoor light at late afternoon/almost dusk. I'd say it was $3.95 well spent for low light and night photos. I would use stock camera app for daytime photos. FV-5 for night
    I just bought this app based on this post! I see the same dramatic difference by fixing the iso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V10MPower View Post
    FV-5 for night
    App: FV-5 at ISO 400, AWB
    So you like this better than Camera Awesome? How do you know what to set the ISO at? What is AWB, auto white balance?
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    So you like this better than Camera Awesome? How do you know what to set the ISO at? What is AWB, auto white balance?
    I actually didn't try Cam Awesome. I tried the Trial Version of FV-5 (Cam Awesome did not have a trial I could find) then purchased it for the $3.95.

    I am not a camera person, so I just tinkered with some settings. The lower the ISO, the less grainy the pictures taken. However, it slows the camera and viewfinder way down (framerate). A bit of a pain, but waiting an additional 3-5 secs before taking a night shot makes all the diff. AWB is auto white balance.

    I find in certain conditions with dim room lighting, the stock Moto X Cam turns everything red to the point I cannot even take a normal pic. With the White Balance settings, I can actually choose from like 4 presets and get a decent shot.

    Here are two more shots I took tonight at dinner comparing FV-5 and Stock Cam:

    Stock Cam
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    Quote Originally Posted by V10MPower View Post
    I find in certain conditions with dim room lighting, the stock Moto X Cam turns everything red to the point I cannot even take a normal pic. With the White Balance settings, I can actually choose from like 4 presets and get a decent shot.
    Well that proves that the problem is not a hardware problem. It is amazing to me, though, that the problems with the camera can be solved with a purchased app, yet motorola can't provide an update to the stock camera app that does the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V10MPower View Post
    I actually didn't try Cam Awesome. I tried the Trial Version of FV-5 (Cam Awesome did not have a trial I could find) then purchased it for the $3.95.

    I am not a camera person, so I just tinkered with some settings. The lower the ISO, the less grainy the pictures taken. However, it slows the camera and viewfinder way down (framerate). A bit of a pain, but waiting an additional 3-5 secs before taking a night shot makes all the diff. AWB is auto white balance.
    You should submit your findings to Mark Rose and Punit Soni.



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